Chomper Higgot

Is it only immigrants doing this or are there ‘native British born’ scroungers at it too?

That’s a fair point, so let’s take it on board: The vast majority of immigrants are legally in the country. “Immigrants without legal status are only a small fraction of the total immigrant population in most rich countries. For example, just 7% of immigrants in the United Kingdom lack legal status. It’s 4% in Germany and less than 2% in the Netherlands.” https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/most-immigrants-in-high-income-countries-have-legal-status#:~:text=Immigrants without legal status are,than 2% in the Netherlands.

You write that up, you might get a Nobel Prize for your insights. I’m not saying you will but it’s worth a try.

Sorry for calling out your self aggrieved hogwash. No need to thank me.

You failed to answer a very straightforward and simple question. So now you want to leave the ECHR but can’t explain the assertion you made.

well there you go with an explanation of why your question made no sense at all. You could spend all day dreaming up such questions. The reasons we have are the reasons given.

And people actually doing some work. The UK economy would collapse without immigrant workers, it’s why the Tories distracted you with ‘Stop the boats’ while operating an open boarders policy to bring in cheap labour. In the immediate aftermath of the BREXIT result, the Tories went cap in hand to India and the Philippines looking for workers to replace the EU workers the nation needed. More were brought in from Africa. All while you were directed to keep an eye on ‘small boats’. You were suckered. But take heart, you’ve got plenty of company on that.

Did you miss this bit? Or were you too eager to dream up your own survey questions? “Over half of Brits (52%) have considered leaving the UK for better working opportunities abroad”

Itself an assumption.

Perhaps in the context of the survey the hypocrisy might have been clear.

I’ll call hogwash on that. The left wing response I and others I follow in this forum subscribe to is to blame the actual individuals who commit crimes for the crimes they commit and absolutely not blame victims or intended victims. But of course I have no objection for you dreaming up reasons to feel aggrieved, if that’s your thing, just don’t post such nonsense and expect it not to be challenged. I wonder though, will you speak up against innocent communities being blamed for the actions of individuals?

How about accepting replacing European migrants, many who where seasonal or short term migrants with immigrants from the third world was a mistake. And yes I’m up for a bit of wealth redistribution through taxes but if the economy needs workers now, newborns aren’t going to be the fix.

Well that’s what happens after over a decade of underfunding. Thankfully now under new management. I’m sure you welcome the Government’s £billions of increased in spending on the NHS.

Not at all. The problem is nations with fertility rates below 2.1, the point below which the population shrinks. The UK is currently you at 1.49, down from 1.55 in 2021. If I was planning life on the income from a UK state pension I’d be making new plans.

But it’s not Jonny. I spent much of the past three years in and out of NHS hospitals and clinics, none where ‘full of immigrants’. The foreign doctors, nurses and professional staff I spoke with all had excellent English.

Yes it’s true that young people face huge financial difficulties. That’s down to the massive shift in wealth distribution since the early 80s, precisely the time when building public housing was wound back and the housing stock that existed sold off. Scapegoating immigrants makes a useful distraction from the actual causes.

You’ve got a wild imagination Jonny. How about waiting with your broken pelvis and refusing treatment or assistance from any doctor, nurse health professional who isn’t ‘native British born and bred’? That would show ‘em!

The UK economy and British citizens relying on state pensions and public services need immigration. The UK has really good deal that gave the nation access to young educated and skilled workers, many of who came to the Uk for short term work, I wonder what happened to that and what was it replaced with? “The ONS found that the fertility rate across England and Wales fell to 1.49 children per woman in 2022, down from 1.55 in 2021. To maintain a population, its “replacement rate” needs to be at least 2.1 children per woman, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).” https://www.local.gov.uk/topics/social-care-health-and-integration/falling-birth-rates-turning-point-public-services#:~:text=The ONS found that the,down from 1.55 in 2021.

Next time you go to A&E take a look at the ethnicity of the doctors, nurses, health professionals and auxiliary staff.

Can you give examples where the ECHR made such rulings or are you mistaking rulings by UK courts?

Congratulations, you get the thread’s Godwin Gong… again.

A bit of a switch there on your part. Yes the sentences where different, the guy you don’t like being locked was not put in prison for mere ‘tweets’. Refer court records.

I was going to say that’s a big improvement, but you squeezed in another sullen assumption. Nevertheless, it is a step in the rational direction.

A bit of whataboutary on your part. The court records are the facts, your alternative reality is not facts.

I’m not sure why you have aversion to official court records.