3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Elon Musk has tweeted that he has surplus ventilators and will send them free

with free shipping to any country that needs them. There are hundreds of people

claiming to be from Ukraine, Argentina and elsewhere asking for them. Elon is

really the prince of fools.

 

At least State Dept sent help to China when things were not looking dire.

Of course, this dumba$$ being a liberal from Cali...the media probably won't even notice.

"At least State Dept sent help to China when things were not looking dire."

They were sent sometime around Feb 7. Things were already looking plenty dire. An abundance of caution was called for. Instead the US relied on an abundance of ignorance and denial on the part of its POTUS and Secretary of State.

15 minutes ago, candide said:

They widely use goods transportation, I.e. trucks, trains, containers, etc... So it should not be much affected.

I haven't seen any articles about how this recession has affected the price of various drugs. It would make for an interesting bit of reading. I wonder how marijuana prices are doing in the various states in which marijuana is legally sold.

2 hours ago, timendres said:

That is the "spot" price. However, the US Constitution defines "constitutional money" as gold and silver with assigned values for an ounce of each metal. Originally those values were 1oz Gold = $20 and 1oz Silver = $1. The value of gold was reset (I believe by Nixon when he "closed the window", but maybe by FDR when he outlawed gold, I cannot remember which) to $42. So, at this moment, the USD has a $42 value for one ounce of physical gold. Now, that is a "US Dollar", not a "Federal Reserve Note", so this is why I mentioned "repercussions", because the US Dollar is a different thing than a Federal Reserve Note, and it is not at all clear to me how contracts and "entitlements" are to be handled with regards to a gold repricing. Maybe there is someone expert on TVF that can shed a more accurate light on this than I can at the moment.

The USA is no longer on the gold standard. There are no more paper dollars redeemable for gold or silver. Functionally that was dead after FDR took office. Utterly defunct after some point in Nixon's terms of office.

1 minute ago, talahtnut said:

The arrogance lies with the corporatocracy that

controls the US and many other countries that

bow to their power.

Ya think corporations are happy about these restrictions? Even more so now that the world is faced with the inevitability of a worldwise recession?

9 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

this is more likely to work

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018740956/pandemic-scientist-makes-breakthrough-on-covid-19-cure

 

'Pandemic' scientist makes breakthrough on Covid-19 cure

From Checkpoint, 6:10 pm on 31 March 2020

 

A similar but quicker approach is under way to get plasma from those who have recovered from Covid and use it as a provider of immunity. Particularly to health care workers and others on the front lines.

9 hours ago, stevenl said:

Yes, this is the right time for projects like this.

For once I agree with Trump.

Me, too. I'm still pinching myself to make sure I'm not dreaming.

I guess one way to get Trump to fulfill his campaign promises, or, rather overfulfill, is to have a pandemic.

Before this, his plan, such as it was, was to virtually give away the fee-generating portions of infrastructure to private interests.

14 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Obviously this guys is a right wing media presenter - but the first 6 minutes is about the Australian 60 minutes report detailing that China lied, and the next 4 minutes details an internal Chinese scientific paper that casts huge doubt on the origin being from a wet market and that is was most likely leaked/escape (human error).  I tend to believe that - their actions are very much of a guilty party trying to cover up their mistake.

 

 

It's a pity that virologists tend to strongly disagree with you. You know, scientists who specialize in this. Science really isn't about consumer preferences.

No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature

The coronavirus pandemic circling the globe is caused by a natural virus, not one made in a lab, a new study says.

The virus’s genetic makeup reveals that SARS-CoV-2 isn’t a mishmash of known viruses, as might be expected if it were human-made. And it has unusual features that have only recently been identified in scaly anteaters called pangolins, evidence that the virus came from nature, Kristian Andersen and his colleagues report March 17 in Nature Medicine.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

On 3/31/2020 at 12:56 PM, Baerboxer said:

 

Yes, whereas the socialist government in Spain did so much better. Er, not.

 

Stop politicizing this with your usual anti anything center or right of center criticisms whilst ignoring the reality. It's just rather repetitive.

But the thing is the Spanish government faced a huge economic hurdle because, as a member of the Eurozone, it was compelled to assume responsibility for the private loans major European banks foolishly made to builders. Which gravely undermined its economy. So it didn't have the means to beef up or even maintain its health system.

Whereas the Tories have consistently underfunded the NHS with consequent loss of a huge amount of capacity. All in the name of reducing debt whilst actually cutting taxes on both corporations and the top 1 percent.

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

The link heading you provide to the article.

Second study on malaria drugs for CoVid-19 treatment

 

Same link with actual title.

French expert says second study shows malaria drug helps fight coronavirus

 

 

Most likely he got that link from some secondary source. If you read the article and compare the text to both titles,  you'll see that the title he provided is a far fairer.

8 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The debate is definitely not over - and especially not in France. Many doctors and scientists there are decrying this move as a precipitous and short-sighed caving in to media-led hysteria.

 

According to the Scientific Council of the CNGE (National College of Teaching GP's) in France, in a statement issued 3 days ago:

 

Is there a place for hydroxychloroquine in CoVid-19 treatment?

 

The French Society of Pharmacology and Therapeutics also warns against its use.

 

Its website notes that both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have a narrow margin of safety, meaning that effective doses and toxic doses are relatively close. 

Chloroquine hype triggers rush on pharmacies

 

Another France24 article reports on a second claim by the same French researchers about hydroxychloroquine and again casts doubt on the results.

 

 

Second study on malaria drugs for CoVid-19 treatment

As I recall, at first a rush of positive claims for these 2 medications came out of China. And then the Chinese reversed themselves and warned of their toxicity. Strange.

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Right, Trump supporters never raise questions.  Well, maybe about Hunter Biden, and his father, and Hillary Clinton, and about anything that might, with much imagination, be spun into an anti-Trump conspiracy.  But they never raise questions that Trump wouldn't want asked.

Didn't someone in this very thread posit a conspiracy from Obama holdovers to explain why the State Dept. facilitated the shipment of protective stuff to China? And that Pompeo defended the shipment to protect them? So that Trump and Pompeo really weren't responsible after all?

30 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

the whole world was caught off guard and not one country except limited ones that closed borders early has not suffered from shortages of protective equipment, respirators, etc etc.

But only a few chief executives of their nations kept on minimizing the danger into March of this year. And how many actually made their country less prepared against the threat of a pandemic?

9 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

for some on all levels of this forum the overriding concern is not whether the drug may be effective against covid-19 but that it was touted by their arch enemy trump 

I could just as easily say that "for some on all levels of this forum the overriding concern is not whether the drug may be effective against covid-19 but that it was touted by their" idol trump. That's the nice thing about invoking a motive: there's no way to disprove it.

3 hours ago, izod10 said:

Sick of it,the woman is trailer trash,hes an idiot for following on..he will get bumped off sooner than later

She grew up with an at least reasonably well-off family in Hollywood. Attended private schools and then got her degree at a very competitive American university. What part of that signifies trailer trash to you? And even if she did grow up poor and in a trailer, what kind of person would critique someone based on how she grew up in circumstances that would be outside of her control? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan,_Duchess_of_Sussex