19 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

usually when making an argument and claiming facts-statistics the relevant information is also provided rather than saying "true" or "not true"

 

when you say "lowest % of death" which mortality-death rate specifically are you referring to?

 

which country has tested the highest % of their population?   url link to that info please

Well whether or not South Korea has tested the highest percentage of its population it's doing a far better job than the USA. This was in response to Trump's irrelevant claim that the US has tested more people than has South Korea:

"Although both countries reported their first cases of COVID-19 on the same day (Jan. 20), South Korea's testing rate is already six times higher than the test rate in the U.S. So far, the U.S. test rate is about 1,048 tests per million people and South Korea's is 6,764 tests per million people."

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-testing-us-vs-south-korea.html

And here is what those haters at fox news reported:

Fauci says US not set up for coronavirus testing like other countries: 'That is a failing'

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Thursday the ability of Americans to get tested for coronavirus is not up to the standard of other countries, adding the U.S. should be better equipped.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., asked about people’s ability to get tested while pointing out that even health care workers have been denied access to testing. Fauci offered his comments when Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield did not have specific information about who was responsible for test access.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-coronavirus-testing-failing

1 hour ago, J Town said:

You are correct at this time - but he is still trying to slash their budget to this day in light of the pandemic.

Also slashing funding to biomedical research.

Trump’s new budget cuts all but a favored few science programs

For the fourth straight year, President Donald Trump has proposed sizable reductions in federal research spending. To be sure, it’s no longer news that the president wants deep cuts to the budgets of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the National Science Foundation (NSF), and science programs at the Department of Energy (DOE) and NASA. And in past years, Congress has rejected similar proposals and provided increases

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/trump-s-new-budget-cuts-all-favored-few-science-programs

59 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

obeidallah?

 

hahahahaha...you know who this guy is....look him up on twitter....an  absolute anti trump

scumbag.

Actually, you can find that same information from another scumbag: Mike Pompeo.  It comes directly from him via the State Department website. 

 The United States Announces Assistance To Combat the Novel Coronavirus

This week the State Department has facilitated the transportation of nearly 17.8 tons of donated medical supplies to the Chinese people, including masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials.  These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people.

https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-announces-assistance-to-combat-the-novel-coronavirus/

26 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Fantastic decision by the Don...those democrat bums do not deserve to stand on the same stage as him.

All they did was play politics with the bill.

Like getting $600 per week extra for the unemployed. Bad, bad democrats.

But good Republicans who passed another big tax break for certain members of the 1 percent.  

Among them, being, oddly enough Donald Trump and Jared Kushner. Because at a time when America is in crisis, nothing is more important than ramping up deductions for wealthy real estate owners. After all, the huge breaks they got in the last tax bill clearly weren't enough.

22 minutes ago, J Town said:

NOT Trump's fault:

virus existence.

Trump's fault:

Eliminating the pandemic response team

Slashing the CDC budget

Refusing to allow W.H.O. tests into the USA

Giving false information related to the coronavirus

Hate crimes resulting from calling it the "China virus"

He didn't actually slash the CDC budget. He tried to. But Congress wouldn't let him. He did let a 5 year prefunded pandemic program die despite Congressional support to its continuation.

7 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

2 million+ is the worst case estimate from the Imperial College study.  The fact is that no one's models are worth much since there are too many unknowns.  But people still anchor around the first numbers they hear even though there is no information in them.  In such cases it is better to guess either very high or very low since those ranges are routinely discarded by those who are anchored to mid-range guesses.

 

I just heard the opinion of a Harvard epidemiologist who didn't venture a number, but did say the US would have the highest mortality rate of all countries, which is what I think, too.

I think that particular prediction 500.000 for the UK. I guess if you want to simply extrapolate to the US based on population it would be over 2,000,000. But since the US isn't doing nothing it seems very very unlikely that such a dire outcome would come to pass..

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

no.....he is doing the right thing by not sounding like a doom merchant...ie. you.

You really think giving people what is obviously false hope is doing the right thing? The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf mean anything to you? Although in this case instead of a predator it's a pet unicorn for everyone.

1 hour ago, AussieBob18 said:

Why bring politics into it - Trump has been POTUS elect since 2016 and in the White House since 2017 and will be until 2024.

I would advise you to keep sticking to arguments that depend on predictions. That way, you don't have to worry about the facts contradicting. At least for a prolonged length of time.

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

no.....he is doing the right thing by not sounding like a doom merchant...ie. you.

Condemning Trump's foolish expressions of optimisim does not make one "doom merchant" Once again here is my reply to someone who feared there would be 2 million deaths from the virus:

"That seems way too high. Not even Italy's count supports that prediction. Nobody really knows for even reasonably sure. Here's a good article from five thirty eight about the uncertainty:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/experts-say-the-coronavirus-outlook-has-worsened-but-the-trajectory-is-still-unclear/"

2 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Thanks for pointing out this error. The 3,000 infected citizens of Vó was discussed in Italian news telly on Saturday morning. I have done some research and as you correctly point out, it appears this is incorrect.   

You're welcome.

9 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

not a good time to be in the prediction business. period.

And a really bad time to be making predictions based on hope for the best. Especially,if you're the POTUS.

Just now, earlinclaifornia said:

Please, pray tell, show me where you have any proof that Trump says things that appeal to the majority of Americans. 37% yes but not at all close to even 50%. Please share any enlightenment

I'm sure he does actually but what does that signify? Lots of it is vague stuff. Very little of his real policy initiatives get majority support. Taxes definitely not. ACA, no. Immigration. No. 

2 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

True - but there are very few assets in China owned by foreigners - which was my point.

 

Really? That was your point. Here's what you wrote:

"Are you serious? There are nil foreign factories in China - they are all owned by China. You cannot buy any property in China as there is no private ownership of land in China. One can only obtain rights to use land.  They are not stupid - we are, to allow them to buy our property - land included.  Get educated about something before you start criticisng what you dont have a clue about."

You could do worse than take the last sentence of your post to heart.

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

My expectation is that corona deaths in the US will be over two million and that the pandemic may last closer to two years than to a few months.

That seems way too high. Not even Italy's count supports that prediction. Nobody really knows for even reasonably sure. Here's a good article from five thirty eight about the uncertainty:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/experts-say-the-coronavirus-outlook-has-worsened-but-the-trajectory-is-still-unclear/

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

Different times, different conditions, different reasons.

 

As I predicted, but wasn't sure if I did mention I was talking about the market I invest in i.e. the ASX, it has had a nice run post lunch, just closing up 300 + points.

 

I don't think we will see big up and downs, as China recovered pretty quickly. We hit around a 37% drop from the highs due to the over reaction of the panic, and I believe if you bought around the troth, i.e. last week, some good gains can be made, e.g. I was tempted to sell a couple of stocks today, gains of 20%, but my plan is and remains the same, to sell in a year when I believe the stocks I purchased will be at least 60% up.

 

Any company that has less debt and is cashed up and isn't affected by the Coronavirus should do well, albeit when the panic button was pushed, a lot of people panicked that shouldn't have.

How many more corporations would be in that happy cash rich condition if stock buybacks were illegal? Until 1982 they were illegal because they were considered a form of stock price manipulation. Which they clearly are.

5 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Well the cities being most affected right now are Leftist controlled. I wonder if they will ever give us a socioeconomic analysis? Does anyone want to know the population and poverty stats in the are that hard hit Elmhurst Hospital serves? Easy to find. Or is that Not PC.

Actually it's a very PC question. You see, before the advent of Obamacare, people in the lower economic classes had poorer outcomes because they couldn't afford regular medical treatment. But with Medicaid having been vastly extended, their outcomes are better. They can now get treatment before something becomes an emergency. And that included preventive care.

What would be a really interesting question now that hospitals in nyc are way overstressed, is how much better outcomes are the rich getting now than they did before? I doubt that they can buy special treatment now except by migrating to states that are currently less stressed. And they probably aren't going to be welcome there even if they do manage to hire a private jet.

And there's another interesting question. Are private jet and helicopter flights allowed except for parties involved in battling the virus? Or are those who can afford it still allowed to transmit the illness via this route?

Edit: At least on March 10 it was still allowed:

Private jets are taking off because of coronavirus

According to CEO Adam Twidell, the company are receiving a "significant number of requests" from Americans currently in Europe who are seeking to return to the US, as well as those keen to fly from Europe to the UK, which is exempt from the ban at present.

"One client is flying her daughter home to the US from University in France, and several of her fellow students (who are also US citizens) are sharing the flight back with her."

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/coronavirus-private-jets/index.html

And now trump is now suggesting some kind of criminality or conspiracy because of the high consumption of face masks in NYC. No, I'm not kidding.

“Where are the masks going? Are they going out the back door? How do you go from 10,000 to 300,000 [masks used per week], and we have that in a lot of different places."

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-donald-trump-new-york-masks-hospitals-20200329-xat7grl26zg6xddflgvtu447uq-story.html

“Where are the masks going -- are they going out the back door?” he added. “Somebody should probably look into that, because I just don’t see from a practical standpoint how that’s possible to go from that to that, and we have that happening in numerous places.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-29/trump-suggests-a-new-york-hospital-losing-masks-because-of-crime

20 hours ago, Chazar said:

Over 6  weeks  ago a friend  of  mine went on a  cruise around asia, came back with a  cold and   called the NHS  phone number 111?, was told to go straight to the NHS Hospital Queen Elizabeth in Birmingham and  had a test in a specially set up area, then told to stay at home until  she got result, her  husband did the same, I never mentioned MASS TESTING but the  other posts said widespread testing was not available............it is, but  not testing the entire  population at random, if  you have symptoms u can get a test

First off, the response of yours I replied to was about costs. And that was not germane to the post you answered

Who else gets tested for coronavirus?

Before the decision was made to test NHS staff, only seriously ill patients in hospital with flu-like symptoms were being routinely tested for the virus.

Currently, about 6,000 people are tested daily. But by the end of March it wants to test 10,000 people a day, rising to 25,000 by mid-April.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51943612

Anyone who has been in contact with a person who tested positive for the virus should be tested. That's what the Germans, South Koreans and others did to great effect. It's called contact tracing. And no, if you're not symptomatic you can't get a free test.

Well, Pompeo may be blaming China but he can also be very forgiving. And no, not fake news. This is a press release from Pompeo himself:

The United States Announces Assistance To Combat the Novel Coronavirus

"This week the State Department has facilitated the transportation of nearly 17.8 tons of donated medical supplies to the Chinese people, including masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials.  These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people."

https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-announces-assistance-to-combat-the-novel-coronavirus/

Trump administration sent protective medical gear to China while he minimized the virus threat to US

4 hours ago, Chazar said:

More total  ballcocks, if  you  even "think"  you  have symptoms in the  UK you could go and  get a FREE  (unlike your own govt) test which even if you didnt  have it  WOULDNT have to pay as Thailand was reportedly  doing.

They have been doing this FREE  testing at  many places for well over  a  month................more  FALSE  news with your nationalistic  drivel/trolling thrown in

You seem to misunderstand the issue. It isn't whether tests are free or not, but how available they are. In fact there has been a big shortage of such tests.

NHS not ready to begin mass testing

Britain cannot test enough people for Covid-19, the government acknowledged, as the NHS demanded that frontline staff be given urgent priority.

Doctors and nurses with mild symptoms will be at the front of the queue for testing as capacity is increased, but officials admit that it could be weeks before they get routinely checked.

Frontline staff have complained that they will be forced to stay away for 14 days if someone in their family gets a cough or fever, depriving the NHS of crucial workers.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-capacity-for-routine-coronavirus-tests-of-medics-mmmhvhklg

"The UK now has 3,229 confirmed cases of coronavirus with 144 deaths, at the time of writing. Dr Martin Marshall, chairman of the Royal College of GPs, has conceded there is a “shortage” of COVID-19 testing kits – this revelation comes as the Prime Minister said he wanted to eventually increase the number of screenings to 250,000 per day. Over the past five days around 3,700 people have been screened each day, a total the Government's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance has accepted is “not enough”.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1257727/Coronavirus-UK-news-test-kit-covid-19-latest-symptoms-deaths-health-NHS

12 hours ago, riclag said:

 Irrelevant,with your spin, the stats are the stats! That's the headlines that have been reported for the CV approval ! Do you think the average American digs into the weeds to spin the questions that weren't asked! Nice try

I have no idea what you're on about. I pointed out that the question was specifically asked in one poll about Trump's early performance. And why is it relevant whether the average American digs into the weeds. The point of polls is to find out where the averages stand.