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23 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

But you seemed to have missed the other I wrote, again, stating how I treat humans makes me a good person, or do you know other ways it can? Stating that serial killers usually come from mistreatment of animals isn't an argument. I don't argue but state facts.

Oh I'm sorry, you don't know what an argument is? Then what are we doing here?

15 hours ago, Bim Smith said:

You just described some humans of which you are in the category of "some". Never met a bad dog. Humans on the other hand 

I only meet bad dogs. Where do you go?

19 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Pathetic.

Proving my point here, aren't you?

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Actually I'm not in a hole at all. It's you that are making ignorant statements. If you bothered to read my whole post before you commented, you would see that I wrote that just being an animal lover doesn't make me a good person but how I treat people also.

I read all of it. That's how I picked up on the inane serial killer argument. 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Calling people stupid for loving dogs is stupid. Dogs are among the most loyal of animals and have saved countless lives on earth, and are used to sniff out drugs and bombs, which also saves lives. It isn't selfish to own a dog. It's selfish to own dogs and not take care of them.

Going out on a limb here, but I assume you don't own one of these life-saving, drug-sniffing dogs you mention. Nor do you have a guide dog. I assume you have or had dogs primarily for company (very selfish) or for protection of property or self (incredibly selfish and destructive). The dog owners and their dogs don't exist in a vacuum. There's always a cost associated and it seems to never be paid by them, but more likely by the people around them. 

Just now, fredwiggy said:

These people? I'm guessing you're referring to me here? I'm not a good person just because I treat animals with respect. It's because I treat people that way also. People who mistreat animals are highly likely to also treat people with disrespect also, and serial killers and those that murder innocents usually com from a background of mistreating and or, killing innocent animals. Victims of dogs attacks can have themselves to blame if they either hit or approach animals that act unfriendly. The dog is to blame because they are vicious, which usually means they have been mistreated by humans.

It seems the hole you were already standing in just got bigger. And the example of the serial killers who start their careers by killing animals somehow being proof that being nice to animals means you're a good person is classical false equivalency. Just because a horse has four legs doesn't mean all four-legged creatures are horses. 

14 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Very true. I've never seen so many unfriendly dogs in all of my 66 years. Most dogs I've encountered in America I could approach and pet. Only a few were aggressive and didn't want me to approach or ran away. Dogs can sense fear and seem to know when a person is unfriendly also. I see a lot of abuse towards cats and dogs here, even from people I know are basically nice

Again with these people who think 1) they're good people because they like dogs and 2) victims of dog attacks only have themselves to blame. 

43 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Dogs can bite but rarely kill. 

 

The real problem is much bigger!

"135 people have been killed and 116 injured by wild elephants in the past six years, including 27 deaths in the first nine months of this year alone"

 

Time to eradicate these pests?

 

Sort of like comparing apples and real estate. Dogs are the obvious invasive species here, they wouldn't be here if it weren't for stupid dog lovers and selfish rectal orifices. 

6 minutes ago, Bim Smith said:

Could not agree more. We have helped over 300 and have 22 at home. Never been bitten once. Dogs mirror their environment so expect to be bitten if you're unkind to one. That applies to all dogs not just Thailand. How about we start to see some proper Buddhist kindness that so many lack in this country and see there world through their eyes. It's not difficult to do. Spay and neuter and show some compassion and watch the world change for them and us. As for rabies the last person who died that I saw reported was a guy in Hua Hin and was bitten by a feral cat. They then went around rounding up the dogs 

Your logic is flawed (again I'm being nice). 

48 minutes ago, Jimbo in Thailand said:

Me too!  I've been bitten 3 times here in Isaan, and I'm a freakin' dog lover and owner!  Ironically, it wasn't stray/feral dogs.  In both cases it was neighborhood dogs that the Thai owners let run loose.  In fact, one night I got bit twice by my next door neighbor's 2 dogs as I was returning home and passed their house on my motorbike.  The first dog got a nip so the 2nd one decided to bite me as well.  Luckily I didn't need stitches but off to the hospital I went for rabies shots.  Of course, the Thai neighbor had to pay the bill.  The next time I was riding my bicycle and a neighborhood dog gave me a nip as I rode by him.  This particular dog was never friendly and I believe was beat on by its owner.

 

In both cases I had passed by those houses a gazillion times with no problem.  OTOH during the past 16 years I've explored nearly every small village in the area either on foot, bicycle, or motorbike and have never been bitten.  Yeah, I've been chased quite a few times, but always slow down, face them, and speak softly, and never had a problem.  Yep, Thai dogs are extremely territorial and many are beat by their owners so they are afraid of strangers.  My experience (other than my neighbors' dogs) has been to just be nice to them and the next time I pass by there's no problem.  Most dogs are like elephants, they never forget.  If you're nice they'll remember it and 99.99% of the mutts won't bother you again.  But if you're mean they'll never forget that and will try to chase and/or bite every time.  Sadly, I've got a walkabout buddy who hates dogs and hasn't learned that lesson yet.  Oh well.

Your logic is flawed (that's a nice way of saying it)

3 hours ago, Fairynuff said:

Interesting that there’s more aggression in this thread than any pit bull

Interesting? Meh - more like incorrect. 

1 hour ago, sambum said:

"But she wouldn't be going near him again."

 

Now there's a surprise! If I had my way, nobody would be going anywhere near these monsters ever again - I would have the species eradicated!

 

 

Me too (you mean dogs, right? Not just the breed?)

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Are there ever any dogs which we usually see on dangerous dogs list in countries such as the UK ever called by names which are not ‘kind of violent’... i.e. Tyson, Ripper, Blaze etc...  does anyone name their Pit-Bull, Doberman or Rottweiler, Sandy, Buddy, Patch ???? 

 

Of course, these dogs when extremely well trained are awesome, I’ve no doubt we’ll hear from such responsible owners soon - however, there are always owners who are completely irresponsible. 

Ultimately, such dogs are highly dangerous, as such, any owner of a dog considered a ‘dangerous breed’ really should have a license to own such an animal. 

To obtain such a licence they’d need to undergo training of how to look after and train such an animal and prove that they can secure the animal and house it properly when both present and out, they also need to prove they can afford to look after it properly and have the time to care for it properly. 

I know thats a ridiculously tall ask for a country which doesn’t even enforce helmet laws correctly - nevertheless this is where we should be. 

 

Owners really need to be fully responsible for their pets. All pets should have a collar. 

IF that dog gets out  (I know, not this story), the owner is fined. If that pet bites or hurts someone else, the owner is fined at a commensurate level. 

IF dogs on the street do not have a collar, they should be removed (debate ongoing in another thread)..

 

No doubt someone like Bill Smart will come along to tell us how humans made this dog problem, how its in a book he wrote that humans are the scourge of the planet and if there were no humans we wouldn’t have these issues.... 

 

 

 

 

responsible owner of a pitbull -> the very definition of an oxymoron

I'm actually happy this discussion is centered on the proper meaning of words, more of this in the future please. But can someone tell me how wide a berth I should give power poles whenever I walk past them in the rain, to stay on the safe side? At what distance would the electricity in the water be just a tingle?

7 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Only my opinion, but drug takers are mentally ill by their own choosing and if brought down by a stun gun, then they have only themselves to blame. "Mentally ill" seems to be an excuse for too many misdemeanors these days.

No

no upper limit as far as I'm concerned

5 hours ago, JCCR6 said:

Doesn’t anyone question how these donations are funded in Pattaya? Monks with their hands out to bar girls in the mornings - what acts took place the night before so those donations could be made  ????

Well the bar girls' work is far more honourable than that of the monks... So where should the question be directed?

52 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Did that come across as them being predator?

They are just doing a job. There are some who like farang but IMHO, it's pretty low. I guess they do like the farang who wai them and stuff like that, and basically treating them as equals, which not many Thais will do. Generally, Thais don't like farang, which I fid out the longer i live here. They tolerate us mostly, especially when we can't play connect 4. 

That's odd, I could have sworn you claimed to be Thai just a few posts back, even adding "trust me"...

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Trust me, I am Thai and worked in a treatment centre for alcohol and drug abuse in Isarn, I've heard it all from 'bar girls', a term used by mongers to justify their mongering. 

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

So what? I might date an accountant back home and run into a former boyfriend in a restaurant. Big deal.

 

If I were in love, and she loved me back, I really couldn't care if I went to a football match and every single person in the stadium was a former barfiner. None of that affects what she and I feel for each other. Plus, I'm likely much better in the sack that anyone she ever met (what I really mean is that my ego isn't affected by what pleasure another man might have given her).

Accountant eh? SAY NO MORE????

43 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

was in business in BKK  and met her through business , she was working for her sister whos husband owned a large entertainment and restaurant complex ,she came to help in our office we started seeing each other ,when i flew back and fore.

And then she found out yuva bigun. Or is the wife da bigun?