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8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

In the U.S. the law requires the accuser to face the accused.

Firchrissake how many times do we have to go over this? This has been explained again and again - this is NOT a trial. It's a inquiry. There IS no accused at this point so there IS no accuser to face.

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

crowdstrike and the Durham investigation. How could sounland presume anything else ,especially after the POTUS told him this isn't  a QQP. 

You mean "QPQ?"

You do realize that "There was no quid pro quo" statement from Trump to Sondland was completely fabricated nonsense, generated AFTER his shocked staff understood the doo doo they all just stepped in?

9 hours ago, khaowong1 said:

Congress really hasn't done ANYTHING but try and impeach the President since the 2016 election.  So, yes, I think it's past time for them to do their jobs.   

Absolute rubbish! There are literally HUNDREDS of bills Congress has passed sitting on Moscow Mitch's desk. Moscow Mitch has PROUDLY declared those bills are dead on arrival cuz they don't fit his narrative of how the world should be. Several of those bills are meant to protect the U.S. election process from foreign intervention.

3 minutes ago, DogNo1 said:

Sondland doesn’t KNOW that there was a quid pro quo.  He INFERS that there was an unspoken quid pro quo.  He said there was “likely” a quid pro quo.  That means he doesn’t know for sure.  That wouldn’t stand up in a court of law.  Now there is an argument that if there were a quid pro quo, it wouldn’t have been illegal.  The crux of the matter seems to be that it involves his political rival Joe Biden who has his own quid pro quo on the record, not to mention his giving the Chinese a free pass which apparently was rewarded with $1.5 billion being invested with his son.  It gives the appearance of Joe being bought off by the Chinese.  We know that the Chinese have bribed a lot of people in the US.

What people keep forgetting is there does not NEED to be a "quid pro quo" for this to be an impeachable offense.

1 hour ago, kane666 said:

That Trump Derangement Syndrome seems to be coming along nicely.

That is a trigger term used by those who can't use facts. Your whole blah blah diatribe regarding Biden has NOTHING to do with the topic. Commonly known as a red herring or distraction to avoid discussing the topic. Republicans use this frequently because facts won't serve them.

27 minutes ago, candide said:

That's why the tread is called "Sondland reverses impeachement testimony"....

Sondland is making Hershey in his pants over fear of the perjury charges he's dancing dangerously close to. And doesn't anyone find it strange that Trump is fighting releasing his tax returns all the way to the SUPREME COURT?!? There must be some CRAZY illegal stuff in there!

The recently released transcripts show that most Republicans weren't even bothering to show UP to those committee hearings they so publicly protested to be let into. If people are paying attention then they will see the scoundrels Republican politicians have become. Lindsey Graham publicly stated he won't even LOOK at the evidence cuz he "feels it's all BS." Beyond shameful how anyone can still defend this behavior!

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

<snip> it is absolutely clear that he [Trump] is totally unfit for the job, that he is a huge liability for the GOP <snip>

The Kentucky election results just made that ABUNDANTLY clear.

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

wonder what they will come up with now that (finally) Gordon Sondland told the truth..... I know , I know more BS from the Reps

Hahaha! Yeah, the other witnesses "refreshed" his memory. Read: his attorneys told him to come clean cuz perjury charges can and do stick.

2 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

The very question the Trump impeachment inquiry is trying to gather evidence of..."quid quo pro with Ukraine"...Joe Biden has admitted to while VP...it is the Trump haters who have the blinders on...our laws were meant to be equal for all people...HRC and the deep state bureaucrats that gave her a "get out of jail free pass"...has emboldened the scum to come to the surface...

Apples and apples, but different cases. Nail Biden with just as much vehemence, but you can't use the "Biden did it so why can't Trump?" defense.

11 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

Typical American politics...may the liar with the best story win the contest.

 

This impeachment inquiry smells exactly like the Russia probe...

 

A "Hail Mary" by the Dems who know they have no chance to defeat Trump in the 2020 General Election.

 

Sad to see how far American politics have fallen into dysfunction...????

 

 

So you're perfectly OK with an administration extorting/bribing another country in classic mafia style?

"It would be a shame if that military aid you so desperately need were withheld. I need a favor though."

19 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

funny thing though, Trump gang criticizes the way Dems conduct the hearing/investigation but don't (or barely) deny the allegations/wrong doing

Their hypocrisy is staggering!

As long as they travel only when it's raining, escape will be a breeze.

15 minutes ago, candide said:

It seems to be the strategy for now. I just had a look at Fox News website and there isn't yet any single mention of testimonies being published. 

 

I still maintain friendships with many white, evangelical Fox News viewers (obviously Trump supporters). For the most part, they will not engage because when I present them with facts, they do one or more of the following 100% guaranteed:
Deflect

Ignore

Lie

Deny

Obfuscate

Facts - Kryptonite for Republicans

5 minutes ago, candide said:

It seems to be the strategy for now. I just had a look at Fox News website and there isn't yet any single mention of testimonies being published. 

 

Trump supporters are doing a "stop, drop and roll" because the facts only reveal how crooked this guy really is.

Their reactions so far (and this is to EVERY crime, not just Ukraine):

1. We didn't do it.

2. We didn't do it but it really wasn't illegal anyway.

3. Whoever accused and/or exposed us is a traitor.

4. Gee, OK, you got us. We DID do it, but is it really all that bad? OH LOOK, a squirrel!

Most people are sick and tired of this. It's as plain as the nose on your face Trump is a criminal and those covering for him are guilty by association. NOBODY hides or covers up to this extent unless they are really, REALLY guilty. Now that the crimes are going to be made public and kept really simple so the average American can understand just how bad things have become, the current 49% who approve of impeachment AND removal will grow exponentially.

1 hour ago, Becker said:

I'm sure you can link to sane sources that will corroborate your claim

Just today, Democrats released 9 pages of what they can of the testimony given by Ambassador Yovanovitch. The Republicans? Not ONE peep. Comma for comma NOTHING. If there was even a HINT of justifying Trump's actions (read: crimes), don't ya think they'd be yelling from the tops of mountains? Your boy is done, it's just a matter of time.

We can't take much more of this winning. How do we make it stop?