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J Town
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4 minutes ago, Monomial said:
The problem is that this argument is not about facts. It is about values. In order to understand why the concept that "others can actually support Trump" is unfathomable to you, you first need to understand what separates their value system from your own. Facts are largely irrelevant to this discussion. Trump supporters do not disagree on facts. They simply don't see Trump's attrocities as being worse than what came before.
Have you ever tried to listen to a Trump supporter without injecting your own code onto them? Their position is actually fairly self consistent. They really aren't evil, ignorant people. They simply believe that the current system has strayed so far from what is optimal, that Trump's rule breaking is an acceptable part of bringing it back in line. Bad things happen in war, so to speak. The interesting discussions all begin not with Trump, but what has gone wrong long before Trump. Once you see where your value systems and theirs differ, you can begin having a meaningful discussion.
Or you can sit there as you are now, saying they are all incomprehensible and tarring them all as evil, stupid racists. My mother is a Trump supporter. She is very intelligent, does not have a racist bone in her body, and is one of the most caring and kind people I know. But she has values that are different from both myself and my sister. She knows what Trump is. She is simply resigned to the fact that this is the kind of individual it will take to right the wrongs of the past and change the direction of the country.
Yours is a thoughtful, polite response. I also know some Trump supporters who don't have a mean bone in their body. I will respectfully disagree - it IS about facts. Trump is a criminal, performing criminal acts, bringing the U.S. down from the "beacon on the hill" that it used to be and turning it into a banana republic. People have died, families have been forever ruined, environmental protections are being removed in order to monetize the planet, all because of Trump's greedy, childish decisions - and the list goes on and continues to grow. To deny your own security forces and take sides with foreign adversaries amounts to treason. Strong arming desperate countries into doing your bidding by getting them involved in the American election process should make every citizen SHUDDER!
Since you propose that Trump supporters eschew facts, then they should be shaken to their very core over the feeling of the country being hijacked by a con man. This is a fact: The majority of Fox viewers are white evangelicals. Trump plays on their fear of the country being run over by non-whites (just listen to any one of his rallies), stokes their anger with lie after lie (where DID that caravan finally go?). I watch a little Fox every now and then - know your enemy and all that - and can't believe how wretched they are. The loaded falsehoods, the blatant bull is shameful, but the average viewer is delusional to begin with and they sop up that spew.
I'm sorry, I'll stick with facts. I understand Trump supporters care not about them, they wouldn't be Trump supporters in the first place if they were. And I'll continue to fight the good fight using the TRUTH in the hope that maybe SOME reality will eventually get through to them. As of this time and date, no Trump supporter has been able to refute any of my posts using facts.
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1 hour ago, Suradit69 said:
Why does "bilingual" imply that English would be the second language?
There could be an argument for Chinese as the second or third language.
While English is essentially an international "lingua franca" currently, the Chinese influence in this part of the world is bound to be increasingly significant.
Far too many countries have already invested in English - street signs are a huge expense and that won't change in out lifetime.
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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:Because of course we can’t have somebody who has worked the same kind of jobs millions of Americans do representing Americans.
That just would not do.
Pretty sure that was just a joke. I personally LOVE what AOC is doing and I found it funny. Besides, does anybody who actually matters listen to this guy?
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1 hour ago, Emdog said:
for a nice pedantic Monday post: the term is buck naked not butt naked. https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/buck-naked-or-butt-naked
Either is acceptable.
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6 minutes ago, Kelsall said:Quite an emotional outburst. My guess is you know the "impeachment" nonsense is coming to an end, Trump will NOT be removed, and he WILL be reelected.
I post facts and you say they're emotional? Look again. Your denial of black and white is based on emotion. Can you refute what I posted, including Trump's required "I am guilty" plea in his theft of money from U.S. veterans? Do you know how rare that is? Usually at the corporate level, you pay a fine and plead no admission of guilt. That this particular crime was so heinous made the courts believe this step was necessary, particularly to stop Trump and his family from ever doing this again. These are facts.
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1 minute ago, Kelsall said:
Yes, she should resign. Schiff too.
GLADLY trade you a Schiff/Pelosi resignation for a Trump resignation, and we'd all be well ahead. Win/win!
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I wonder where he got THIS idea from?
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Gotta say, riding my pushbike up and down Jomtien and Dongtan Beach Sunday, the amount of super white bodies and the clouds of cigarette smoke wafting up from the beaches would lend credence to the Russian invasion.
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13 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:Now we already know that Sondland has changed his tune in a new, revised statement
Under current law, if you revise your tune in the same session you are making statements, you are protected against perjury. Sondland is sweating bullets right now.
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11 minutes ago, bendejo said:
Tomorrow's news today!
DT says "the doctors said they never saw anybody as healthy as me! All tests came out positive!"
If he resigns will Don Jr run in 2020?
Serious reports that sick <deleted> <deleted> <deleted> will run 2024. Gawd help us all!
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26 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:I wouldn't tattoo anyone's name on my forehead. What a strange thing to say.
For good reasons it takes 2/3 vote in the Senate to remove a President from office. Why is that? So to prevent the Impeachment process from simply being a partisan tool for removing a President from Office without justification.
In the case of Nixon their was enough bi-partisan support to convict, so to save face he resigned.
In this case, there is no impeachable offense yet defined. Personally, I know exactly what is going on. This is still an attempt to illegally remove a President. It's dirty, unforgivable, and will end badly for this ruthless bunch of seditionist pigs. This stench filled Communist loving, war-mongering filthy mob of scumbag rats will end soon in a vast dump of indictments coming soon... an embarassing episode of American history from a the biggest crybabies ever to exist in the USA, "whah whah the President isn't polite" Get over it!
Wow! Just WOW! What a pile of cow dung, complete with loaded terms aimed at evoking arguments rather than discussion, and replete of any facts! Trump admitted he called the Ukraine president, releasing a whitewashed NOT transcript. Multiple witnesses who were there listening to the conversation firsthand testifying time and time again Trump had NO interest in potential Ukraine corruption and ONLY wanted the Ukraine president to make false statements to injure his potential political rival. The only source for your misinformation is Fox News. EVERY other news outlet is broadcasting in clean, clear terms what the crimes were that Trump has committed.
Just to be clear, are you saying that public servants who dedicated their lives to their country are liars but a guy who spent his life dodging the draft, avoiding taxes, bankrupting businesses, cheating on his wives and defrauding investors, students and donors is the real patriot?
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Berserk Russian - redundant?
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1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:Nancy Pelosi lost her mind about the same time her over-the-top Trump Derangement set in.
Looking forward to 5 plus more years with Donald J. Trump as President of the USA. ????
MAGA
Haven't seen you around for a while. As usual, emotionally loaded aspersions cast with no facts to back anything up cuz, well, we all know facts are Trump supporter Kryptonite.
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29 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:
True that. His behavior is truly deplorable. And the real shame of it all, is that he has lowered the bar to such an extent, that most of his supporters find this behavior acceptable and fine and dandy.
Occasionally I try to stomach as much of a rally of his as I can stand - good to know what the enemy is up to. The LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES that he vomits are filled with hate, fear, and his supporters lap up that vomit. A VERY sad statement to where society has devolved to.
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Just now, neeray said:Sure !!!
If the pressure gets too great and he decides to bow out gracefully as opposed to being turfed out, he can always lie and say something showed up but the doctors didn't want to tell me right then.
"they're great doctors, hard working doctors, great patriots"
He can't do that, because there is a mountain of indictments from the SDNY waiting for him the instant he no longer wears the crown and he knows it.
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13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:I here’s it is being said by many people that they tried but Lindsey Graham’s head was in the way.
DAMMIT! Ya beat me to it!
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19 minutes ago, worgeordie said:Have they looked up his @rse yet,they will find he is full of sh*t.
regards Worgeordie
They tried, but Lindsey Graham was blocking the way.
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The way lies flow so freely from his gaping maw, I suspect he's got something seriously wrong physically. We ALL know mentally he's a disaster.
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Him and Epstein can compare notes in hell.
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7 hours ago, Redline said:If you have the goods-convict-just stop the bs rambling and blame games-conspiracies. Get some evidence, and go to court baby don-the winning and wining is just too much ????
And this is the trouble with those who demand instant gratification. Preparing to convict is exactly what they are doing - by rules established by the Republicans - and it takes time to dot all i's, cross all t's. If they didn't, Republicans would accuse them (as they've already tried) of not following procedure.
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12 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:I am familiar with what goes around...comes around...the Dem criminals who have managed to stay just outside the reach of the law...some will go to jail...while other will still be considered to dangerous to place in prison...????
And that's just FINE. Lock them ALL up! I still don't know how Hillary got away with what she did. I retired as a career civil service IT guy. I managed the EXACT kind of email server she used, and what she did was absolutely black and white criminal. But that's over and done, she got away with it. It all needs to stop here and now.
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10 minutes ago, Srikcir said:What are the odds that Stone will violate the gag order before sentencing? I'd say 50/50.
That idiot can't help himself. It's really not a question of will he violate, it's more a question of when will he violate?
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Now why is it that all the folks surrounding Trump are going to jail? Doesn't water seek its own level? All the president's men (and I'm sure some women, too) are going down. The Mueller report indicted and/or convicted 34 people, and that number will continue to grow.
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6 hours ago, Bluespunk said:
Chess isn't and never was banned in Saudi Arabia.
That's good to know. They STILL suck.
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In Trump-Nixon impeachment comparison, Pelosi raises specter of resignation
in World News
Posted · Edited by J Town
Then prove me wrong. We ALL should have the same values of decency (Trump has none), honesty (I don't even HAVE to go THERE to explain what a lying, cheating, thieving, homophobic xenophobe he is), integrity (big vacuum THERE!) - just explain to me why I should have to disavow all MY values in order to have a discussion with a Trump supporter.