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J Town
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11 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:
It was understood by who, Volker and Morrison stated no "quid pro quo", nothing related to bribery. Their statements aren't hearsay, there was "no demand" for anything.
"But it was fully understood isn't evidence.
Oops - Sondland recanted. He now says black and white there WAS a quid pro quo.
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Just now, Jingthing said:A bit premature.
Not at all. Sondland's opening written statement is incredible and the testimony will be worth staying up late for.
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19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
I hear Trump is now having difficulty recalling who Sondland is.
And as such Trump cut Sondland loose to do what he would, and that is this: Sondland just threw Trump under the bus.
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14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:
Sondland is testifying in todays hearing, stay tuned. I'm in Callie at the moment taking a class, I'll catch the reruns.
This just in - Sondland just threw Trump under the bus.
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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:The Republican’s star witness Kurt Volker has just testified under oath that the whole Biden accusation were fake.
He did so right after the Republicans has finished praising his integrity, unique access to the events and all round credibility.
There's some obvious trolling going on. It's best to ignore it.
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You DID fill out a TM30 everywhere you stayed?
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7 minutes ago, Thainesss said:10 minutes ago, Becker said:
I hope for your sake you're trolling because if you cannot grasp the fact that a president who uses the power of his office to blackmail a foreign leader into getting dirt on a political rival is abuse of power of the worst kind there really is no hope for you.
If there is no dirt, then there's no issue, right?
Becker - I'm now convinced this is a troll. Don't feed it.
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1 minute ago, Thainesss said:Um, Nixon committed literal crimes and was caught red-handed - what Trump did was minuscule comparatively. I mean you constantly spout off garbage and fake news like its some sort of fact (which is ironic because you're always screaming about FACTS!!) but the end of the day it sure does appear to be wishful thinking.
Trump is not going to be impeached and you're gonna have to deal with it.
Now c'mon, you want this thread to be pulled by an admin? So far, you have never used facts to back up your posts. You use loaded terms, expostulation, emotional redundancies but never an actual point. Trump WILL be impeached, that's a foregone conclusion. The fact you don't understand that shows you really don't get the process.
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2 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:
I agree, they didn't kill themselves, they just looked away while someone else did the killing. Or should I read that as the guards didn't kill themselves yet but suicide may be in their futures ? Whoever did it is probably dead themselves by now.
Yeah, wry humor, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if these two met with some very suspicious "fatal accidents."
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3 minutes ago, Thainesss said:Yes, everyone is aware of the spin going on. You're pretty much just talking to yourself here.
The end game is this:
Is it impeachable? Clearly not but thats not gonna stop the Dems from continuing this little charade for political reasons - which leads to issue #2 - Is it doing anything at the polls? And to answer that question you just have to look at polling from independents, which clearly indicate that it is not doing well with them.As with Nixon, whose crime was much less than Trump's, it's the cover up that's gonna ultimately bite him in the butt.
And talk about someone shouting in a vacuum, plenty of folks calling you on your misunderstandings.
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Got to admit, the TM-30 requirements have REALLY curbed my travel/spending within the kingdom. I'm hoping it will settle down within the next year or two. Otherwise, other countries beckon.
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19 minutes ago, Thainesss said:As already shown earlier, the only demographic that matters (independents) are viewing this charade and less and less impeachable.
Hahaha, yer funny! Watched an hour of Faux Noise - know your enemy and all that - and even they are admitting Trump did a very bad thing. They're trying a different tack, smearing the whistleblower indirectly by saying the FBI was wrong for not vetting "all" confidential informants properly. Can't WAIT to see the way they spin Sondland's testimony tomorrow. He's already perjured himself, still waiting to see if charges are to be brought against him, and he's going to be very very careful about being absolutely truthful. And we all know truth doesn't serve Trump's cause very well.
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6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:He isn't the only person connected to the Clinton's to die mysteriously and conveniently.
WAY too many coincidences, particularly on such a high profile case. Epstein had too much he could have traded for a light sentence, he didn't kill himself.
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I'm gonna step out on a limb here and say up front:
The security guards didn't kill themselves.
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1 hour ago, Credo said:
Well it seems like a lot of people would disagree about your 'nothing burger':
Poll: 70% of Americans say Trump's Ukraine actions were 'wrong,' 51% want him removedAnd those numbers are just gonna grow.
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1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:Not sure you followed the inquiry diligently or perhaps you trying to do a Jim Jordan.
Vindman changed his previous closed door testimony and testified under oath that he is now aware of conversation that linked WH meeting between the Presidents and US aids with the Ukrainian President announcing an investigation into the Bidens. That’s bribery plain as day.
To quote Simon & Garfunkel:
"Still a man hears what he wants to hear
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4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:No aid was withheld, Ukraine wasn't aware of aid being withheld.
Vindman is giving his "opinion" that's all it is or ever will be. Did you hear Volker and Morrison testify there was no bribery.
No. They were FULLY aware of the aid being withheld. Hell, the Ukrainian president went to VP Pence, complaining about it and explaining how dangerous this was as witnessed firsthand by Pence's personal liaison to the Ukraine. And yes I did hear Volker/Morrison testify. They said they never heard the actual words "quid pro quo" but it was fully understood that was what was happening.
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6 minutes ago, Skallywag said:
Not sure what you consider "nothing". It is clear what POTUS did was "improper", the only question is, is it an impeachable offence.
Even the two witnessed requested by the Republicans (in the hopes they would "exonerate" Trump) admitted what Trump did was wrong and Morrison testified that Bolton told him to get to a lawyer pronto immediately after the call. Call it a "nothing burger" all you want (what a silly a$$ term), the truth is coming out. Sondland's testimony will be the final nail in the coffin. He was observed YELLING at the Ukrainians to get the investigation started and publicly announced, and he'll be asked about this under oath. His 180 degree turnabout from his original statement shows he understands how dangerously close he is to perjury charges. I hope I don't run out of popcorn.
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22 minutes ago, GarryP said:
About your only post on this subject with which I can sort of agree on one point. Bernie is past it. His health is also a concern and I do not believe he is the man for the job for these very reasons.
As for Trump having energy, well no one can avoid answering the question or changing the subject faster than him. He is also super quick at firing off Tweets and blaming others.
And his arms are getting buff from attempting to throw his critics under the bus. Too bad, wasted effort on his part.
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You people need to pray for our Dear Illustrious Leader!
THIS one: Psalm 109:8
"May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership"
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3 minutes ago, Thainesss said:
I have no idea what your point is and I don't think that you do either. And yes, that is bigotry in its purest and most basic form. Here is the definition for you:
That is precisely what you are guilty of. You are, frankly, everything that you seem to hate so much.
What exactly did I post that made you erroneously think it was that of a bigot?
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2 minutes ago, Monomial said:
You don't disavow your values. I would never suggest that. Instead, you listen to their values and engage with them on the places where you both agree. Historically, this is called a canon. Most of us are familiar with "literary canon", a group of books which everyone should read so they have a place to begin discussions. But canon applies to other areas as well, such as politics and ethics. Having established a canon, you can then expand and start to see where your values diverge. And then address those areas, so that the other side doesn't feel that they need to resort to a psycopath and a demagogue in order to be heard.
The American public has for too long forgotten how to speak to each other. If the other issues were addressed, everyone would agree that Trump is not good. But right now, Trump supporters feel they have to stoop to this level just to get their concerns addressed. Show them instead that there is another way. Trump is just a symptom, not the disease. But be warned. You are going to need to make concessions as well, and grant them the courtesy to respect their feelings on divergent issues.
If you do this, you'll find Trump supporters aren't bad people. They just have different concerns than you. And if you respect their values, they are more than likely to respect yours as well. If we all did this, there would be no division for a demagogue like Trump to exploit.
And I tried that. I was polite to you, never cast a mean word at you, just laid out the truth. You say we should just hold hands and have a kumbaya moment. I'm sorry, people are dying, policies are exploding like popcorn that are destroying the environment, separating families, etc. etc.
You don't want to talk facts, I don't want to hear bologna. There should be a sense of urgency at all this, but it's similar to the boiling frog scenario. You won't get it until it's too late. Go ahead, get in whatever last word you want on this, I'm done.
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Just now, Thainesss said:Then don't have that discussion because to be frank your attitude is flat out bigotry towards millions and millions of people based on political views. People who support Trump simply disagree politically with you, but they are still taxpayers and citizens of the same society as you are and have every right to believe what they believe, just as you do.
Just because Trump is in office and you hate Trump is not a justification to take it out on people who voted for him. You should take it out on the party you want to win. Its the politicians that are the problem, not the people. Always has been.
And you prove my point. Not one fact. You cast aspersions (calling ME a bigot? Shame!). I post facts, you post insults. Thanks again, and still waiting for someone to PROVE me wrong using those pesky FACTS!
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Never at night nor early morning. ESPECIALLY morning. I believe the heat takes the bite out of them, early morning they've been up, barking for a few hours and gladly attack.
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In Trump-Nixon impeachment comparison, Pelosi raises specter of resignation
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Keep up people. In his written opening statement, Sondland clearly said "We were all aware of what was going on and there was a quid pro quo."