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1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Well, not really true

At least we agree on something 

Just now, Hummin said:

Im sure my family and insurance company wanted an autopsy, and for Koh Taos sake, they should have done it, but with or without autopsy, there still would have been questions and mistrust. 

 

Koh Taos reputation is already damaged!

Whatever your family wants is not important. They only do this when its suspicious (just like in my country). But what is suspicious about someone dying in his sleep on a sofa under a blanket in his underewear. Unless clear signs of poisoning or violence there is no need.  

At least that is how it goes in my country.. but it s more what is the rule in Thailand. I doubt that every body gets an autopsy. 

8 minutes ago, thonglorjimmy said:

So a uniformed off duty police officer, with a gun, is ok? 

In a gold shop sure I don't see why not. Outside in public would be a different thing. But i get what you mean.

3 hours ago, theoldgit said:

What’s the difference between the officers selling their services to escort tourists and the uniformed and armed officers who sit inside gold shops throughout the country?

The difference that in gold shops they don't bother people while when they escort they make use of laws that tpeople should go out of the way of the police (abuse of the laws). If they did this without the sirenes and getting people out of the way it would be ok, now its abuse  of power.

2 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

No-one forces them to use it. The problem is that people inherently hate people, right from the time they begin school or even earlier. Bullying takes place in every school. Where does that come from? I doubt it has been learned from anywhere at that age. It's something humans are born with. Nearly every social media post draws abuse. Another example of people hating people is that they resent others sitting next to them on a bus or train or plane. Or people seek quiet and solitude, away from others.

Facebook and Twitter are rife with hate comments. We usually only hear about it when the 'victim' is a celebrity. What I don't understand is why these public figures put out a name that everyone knows, instead of making up an obscure one to give to only their trusted friends and family. Making yourself available to public comments is just asking for abuse and threats. It's what people do.

I was bullied a bit at school as I was a lot smarter and got good grades. Seems that makes someone a target. The moment your different your a target. I did not really care because I could physically beat them if needed (and i did in one point attacking the ringleader and beating him up). But not everyone is like me. I am a loner by nature so I dont mind not being in the "in" crowd. 

But really bullying can come from anything, looks, who your parents are , if you come from an other city, new in a class ect. Not everyone is like me a loner so many of those that are bullied hurt a lot as being excluded is something most people hate. It was not a problem for me. Plus the bullying was just in one school as i got higher and people got more serious about their education good grades were no longer a reason for bullying. I was still a loner (by choice)

Got Kasikorn great banking app. I think its the kind of account you have. Other then thatI would not know why you cant have it.

18 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Fair comment. Democracy is not perfect….. I dare say that all countries are corrupted whether it is monetary, abuse of power or discrimination. Ultimately it is the people who will decide who they want or don’t want to be their leaders.
 

Robbing the people of their choice is disrespectful to the people wishes and worst kind of corruption. Thailand has progressed fairly well and the standard of living has improved and so has poverty. Still a long way to go. Coups stagnate economy growth and gave the image of political instability that hurt investments. 
 

What I trying to say is that give and trust the people to vote and vote out corruption. It’s not & should never be the military responsibility .

I dare say you have not been in the Netherlands. Hardly any corruption there in democracy and other fields. Not as divided as the US. So politicians dont protect their own. So id say no corruption is not normal.

You are right but now in case of Thailand with no good alternatives (maybe future forward) how can democracy help here against corruption ? Not that the alternative (a coup helped). So basically nothing helps if the culture of corruption is too ingrained.

I don't trust the people to vote out corruption (have yo seen it happen in Thailand.. and who is not corrupt ?)

But you are right its not the military its responsibility. Lets just say i see things with a bit more gloom then you. I dont see democracy do anything about it in Thailand as the ones benefitting dont want to really combat it and the population is  too divided and stand behind their man to look at corruption in their own ranks. 

Just now, Eric Loh said:

The last free election in 2011, Yingluck won the popular vote by 15+ million votes while Ahbisit had about 11 million votes. Her party won 263 parliamentary seats out of 500 seats. So much for your wild opinion that no one want him back. His proxies were winning elections. By the way, paying voters have been a feature of Thai election since memorial. Don’t think you really know much about Thailand politics. 

The more i read about it the worse it is. Im convinced all sides buy votes now. Just watching how mercenary Thai MP's are and how they hop from party to party not caring about ideology at all shows its just a big business.

None of them, not the current mob or the Thaksin followers will ever do anything to combat corruption as they are all in it for the money and any laws that make that harder and any institute that really investigates wont become reality. Democracy just does not work here.

No it does not mean I want more of the current military. Just saying what Thailand is and utterly corrupt country where governing is a business and all about kickbacks. So democracy has failed. Sad but true. So i really dont care much who is in power. The result will be the same anyway.

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Thailand suffers from corruption from top to bottom in every institution and transaction.
 

There are no hero’s dressed in white, Thanathorn included.

 

Both Thaksin and Thanathorn were bought down by the same people using the same tactics for the same reason - to perpetuate  the status quo, unfettered corruption.

 

You’re almost there, it’s right in front of you, you need only see past your own biases and prejudices and you’ll reach enlightenment.

 

It is not helping against corruption it is helping maintain and increase corruption.

 

Red v Yellow is exactly what this conflict is about. A small greedy anti democratic elite (Yellow) versus the people (Red). Future Forward are Red.

 

I support, not Thaksin, but democracy.

 

Thailands path towards a fully functioning democratic society runs through Pheu Thai (maybe then onto Future Forward but we’ll never know as long as coups and judicial bastardry reign supreme).

You use weasel words to pretend you don’t support the Yellows - you are fooling no one. 
 

Hiding behind “Thaksin is the devil” therefore my support of coups, oppression, censorship and corruption is justified elicits and deserves just one response - ridicule.

Comparing Thanathorn with Thaksin and saying its the same clearly shows me your Thaksinite. There is a huge difference between the cases. One is obviously corrupt individual and convicted for it. The other is not indicted for corruption but has something minor used against him.

Your too focused on the fight of colors that is so old fashioned. They are all corrupt and none of them do anything to put in place laws that would help against corruption. Thaksin and his club and the current MOB. All they use is corruption against their enemies to get them punished. But at least then some corruption gets punished.

Now if the PTP gets in power and they expose some dirty laundry of the current MOB id only applaud this even though they then are just like this mob not really against corruption but just against their enemies.

Still it will result in some criminals getting punished for corruption and that is still far better then letting them all go. You will never convince me otherwise. I rather see them all in jail but as you said Thailand is full of corruption and its not going to change. So that is not realistic. All we can hope for is that some of them pay the price even if corruption is just a mean to an end. 

As for democracy i would not call Thaksin a democrat he was on his way to become a dictator. Currunt mob also not democratic and those idiot senators now.. a disgrace. 

45 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Why do you think Thaksin, Yingluck, Thanathorn, etc., etc., … have been dragged through the courts?

 

To punish corruption?

????????????

 

What you are supporting is a continuation and escalation of corruption.

 

You want murder analogies.

 

The Yellow gang murders 10 people per day.

 

Democracy replaces the Yellows with the Reds.

 

The Reds murder 5 people per day.

 

Democracy remains in place creating the possibility that the Reds will by replaced by the Oranges who murder 2 people per day who may then, one day, be replaced by a yet to be formed colour group that murders 0 people per day.

 

The Yellows illegally replace the Reds with themselves and abolish democracy.

 

The Reds, Oranges and all other non Yellows now no longer can participate because the courts have been used to assist the Yellows in monopolising power.

 

The Yellows now murder 12 people per day.

 

You are happy Thaksin has been forced into exile because you know he will beat your side of politics every single time - it has nothing to do with fighting corruption and everything to do with the political philosophy that you support.

 

 

Eh please dont compare Thanathorn with the corrupt Thaksinites. One side was really corrupt the other clearly innocent.

And i said it before the government did not go after them for corruption. (i guess you dont remember what you reply too). I said they go after them because they are their enemies. They just use corruption for it.

So its in a way helping against corruption. Please dont get so annoying and go back to the red vs yellow. Because in my book they are equally corrupt and I absolutely dont support any of them except future forward. 

ITs clear we wont see eye to eye as your too much of a Thaksinite. 

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Such naïveté.

 

By eliminating all opposition the Yellow/Green side of Thai politics have enabled corruption to flourish at levels far, far greater than ever.

 

The coups against elected governments, the re-writing of the constitutions, the bastardisation of the judiciary all serve one purpose - to ensure corruption can continue to flourish.

 

By your logic, you’d be happy if a jaywalker were arrested whilst murders run free because… at least some justice is being administered.

 

????????????

 

 

Your analogy goes wrong as i was talking about both corruption cases you now change between murder and jaywalker. My analogy would be rather have a few murderers caught then none at all. In a perfect situation all would be caught of course.

1 minute ago, BritScot said:

And what about the generals and the very suspect land sale prior to the tanks rolling in?

As i said should be caught too.. but because they are not you want Thaksin to run free too. I mean if you let everyone off for corruption nothing will change. 

I know its not about corruption but it still a small win that at least some get punished. In a perfect world they get all punished. 

But the alternative is that there is no risk at all ever.. Then i rather have those that are out of grace politically to get caught. At least then some are punished.

24 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I disagree. The prosecution and sentencing of Thaksin was purely a political move by his enemies. They couldn't give a rat's behind what he did or did not do, they were only after eliminating a competitor, and all of them are without a shred of doubt guilty of a plethora of crimes themselves.

Oh i 100% agree it was not about corruption. But the corruption was committed. It was just them finding dirt on someone. Still that means that some corruption is punished.. if it is all covered up it gets worse and worse. So even though its just used against people who fell out of grace its still better then nothing.

9 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The Dutch are certainly the leaders in this field, however 3.5 million dollars is not going to even come close to the cost of raising this ship, 20 miles offshore and sunk in 50 metres of water, let alone pay for the repairs it will need to put it back into service.

 

However, as a "budget" it may well have certain attractions.

When i read this i think that they just want to get it repaired because of all the kickbacks that they can hide. Also if it is out of service they will get less of a budget. So i think this is not driven from realism but greed.