vinny41

32 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I disagree.  A car bought in early February could well appear in February registrations.  Chiang Rai runs 2-3 weeks lead time in issuing Tabien Rot.

 

I do agree that a months registrations are mostly the previous month's sales.

My point is that you can't have double dipping using registration figures for sales figures

Total number of EV registrations for 2024 to date  is 22,289 however 

Total number of EV sales for 2024 to date is 8,636

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-march-2024-thailand/

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Did you mean...

 

Indeed, January 2024 began well. EV sales registrations for the month came to 13,653 new cars. In turn, this was 20.5% of what was already a depressed car market this year in Thailand.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

January figures of 13,653 registrations are mostly December 2023 sales

BYD report sales of 37,000 for the whole of 2023 however if you exclude December sales that figure drops to 29,000 

January figures of 13,653 registrations are December 2023 sales likewise

February registrations  (January Sales ) for  EV's were 3,635

March  registrations ( February Sales ) for EV's were 5,001

April  registrations ( March Sales ) for EV's currently unknown as figures will be released in May 

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I've read the rulings, on Jan 26th when it was issued and further to the 28th March when SA returned to court. 

 

Your claim: "there is little evidence of Israel complying with that ruling."

 

From a couple of weeks ago:

 

WATCH: U.S. has no evidence Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, Defense Secretary Austin says

 

 

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Tuesday rebuffed arguments that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/09/us-has-seen-no-evidence-that-israel-has-committed-genocide-austin-says-00151241

 

 

Clearly the ICC doesn't believe the USA or Israel  playing the 3 wise monkeys card 

see no evil, hears no evil, speak no evil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_wise_monkeys

The International Criminal Court is probing Israel's actions in the West Bank and Gaza, independent of other cases at the International Court of Justice, such as South Africa's genocide claims against Israel in Gaza.

The ICC is currently investigating Israel’s actions in the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

The ICC case is separate from other cases brought against Israel at the International Court of Justice, including one filed by South Africa accusing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza.

https://www.euronews.com/2024/04/29/international-criminal-court-considering-issuing-arrest-warrant-for-netanyahu

4 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Poor reporting.

 

Errors include,

ORA Good Cat is not the cheapest EV sold here made in Thailand, The Neta V is.

Hertz did not rid of their EV fleet, they got rid of "some" of it.

 

 

I Agree Poor Reporting as they don't know the difference between sales and registrations

There are no tracking of sales

Indeed, January 2024 began well. EV sales for the month came to 13,653 new cars. In turn, this was 20.5% of what was already a depressed car market this year in Thailand.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

January figures of 13,653 registrations are December 2023 sales

BYD report sales of 37,000 for the whole of 2023 however if you exclude December sales that figure drops to 29,000 

I have never heard of them but the source of the article is

Preply, an online language-learning marketplace, has released its rankings on the top ten cities for expats moving to Asia in 2024. Two cities in Thailand, including Bangkok and Chiang Mai, were recognized among them.

https://thailand.prd.go.th/en/content/category/detail/id/2078/iid/281977

More detailed breakdown of costs and cities here

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/thailand/economy/40037327

3 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Interesting article in the Times today noting that the policing of the pro-Hamas demonstrations in the UK have cost the UK taxpayer at least £32.3 million so far. Lord Walney, the government’s independent advisor on political violence is advocating clawing back some of the policing costs from the organisers of these protests (good luck with that)

 

Interesting to note that the police have to attend the pro-Hamas protests because of concerns over the behaviour of these marchers and their blatant antisemitism and clear expressions of hatred, but also have to attend any pro Israel / free the hostages protests, in order to guard these protesters from being attacked by extremists.

 

 

UK EXTREMISM ADVISER HAS BEEN FUNDED BY ISRAEL LOBBY

John Woodcock, the government’s man urging MPs to stop engaging with pro-Palestine groups, has accepted Israel lobby funding amid the Gaza genocide.

Yet Woodcock can hardly be considered independent. He has previously worked with the Israel lobby and has even accepted funding from it amid the ongoing genocide in Gaza, Declassified has found.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-extremism-adviser-has-been-funded-by-israel-lobby/

24 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Looks like BYD has a service problem in Thailand 🇹🇭. 

 

I think the majority of parts for EV's  are supplied from China 

There will be a EV supply chain park opening at the end of this year

In current terms of economy, jobs supply chain ICE is the key provider example toyota hilux built in Thailand as built 90% from locally supported parts

https://aseannow.com/topic/1325045-chinese-firms-eye-ev-supply-chain-in-thailand’s-smart-park/#comment-18846391

7 minutes ago, transam said:

Back home, insurance cost is based on a few things, including performance of the vehicle.

The acceleration of an EV would put it into a very high insurance bracket.

Also, I would expect to see more folk killed in an EV if they start using the available power and didn't know what they were doing.....

Anyone here got an EV in the UK, if so what is the insurance premium...?  🤗

 

Chinese EVs Become Virtually Uninsurable In UK Even Though There’s Nothing Wrong With Them

Lack of parts,  Long period off the road waiting for parts from China ,No documentation on how to repair vehicles, mismatch in the viability of repairs Chinese costs vs European Costs

No Supply Chain

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/chinese-evs-become-virtually-uninsurable-in-the-uk-says-report/

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

You do post some nonsense now and again.

Its only nonsense from your point of view clearly this subject is being discussed by many different groups from the video in the op to the Bloomberg article and not everyone agrees with your point of view

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

So do you think they would only limit acceleration for EV's

 

Is there any reason why it shouldn't apply to ICE too?

 

How do you think Porsche, Rimac & Lotus would react?

 

The will look at which group of vehicles that where the  number of deaths and serious injury are  increasing  to an unacceptable level due to extreme  acceleration

if ICE vehicles come into that group then or course they will apply similar measures to ICE vehicles  but if they don't then there is no need to apply

3 years ago if someone stated on these forums that in 2024 there would be a separate policy definition for car insurance for EV compared to ICE vehicles and that there would be sliding scale on the amount for battery coverage they would have been told it will never happen

Porsche, Rimac & Lotus will do the same as every other brand that needs to adjust because laws change

If you go back 80 years there was stiff opposition from customers regarding the installation of seat belts some customers requested the manufacturers removed them when fitting  became mandatory some customers  challenged seat-belt laws in court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt

At the end of day EV's are about climate change not extreme  acceleration so i imagined that any courts cases for maintaining EV extreme  acceleration  would be rejected and thrown out but we will have to wait and see

11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

And if you asked the government about alien bananas arriving from Betelgeuse to take over the world they would say

 

Currently we have no plans to apply any changes up to date information on the plans of alien bananas that would result in limiting the acceleration in our cars the earth being invaded however if we were mandated to apply such a change from the Transport safety office disclose such plans in your country then we would have no choice but to apply such a change notify you

 

Get my drift?

Seems I have hit a nerve with you I expect it will be mandatory the 0-100 km   acceleration must be higher than 5.0 for road cars and lower than 5.0 for track cars not licensed for road use

https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/acceleration-electric-car

End of the line for demon king drivers

27 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Vinny actually has a good point and EV owners might soon "volunteering" lower their cars performance, to avoid paying an insurance premium.

In Russia, having a dash camera reduces insurance cost and we know EV owners are penny pinchers at the pump or power cable, so most will go slow 🐌 to save a few baht.

Thailand is known to be one of the most unsafe countries worldwide when measured by the proportion of people who die in a road traffic accident. In its most recent global report (2018), the WHO ranks Thailand as the number 9 country with the highest road traffic death rate, with 32.7 deaths per 100,000 population (2018)

We know what the main causes of accidents are: motorcyclists not wearing a helmet, people drinking and driving, and speeding. These three risk behaviors, often combined, make traffic dangerous for both the drivers and the passengers, but also for pedestrians, bicyclists and other road users.

https://www.who.int/thailand/news/detail/03-01-2023-a-new-year-s-resolution--for-life

Once we have seen a major accident in Thailand resulting in a number of children deaths and the root cause of the accident was ev extreme acceleration I expect  the Government will pass laws that mandate acceleration be limited in EV

20 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Definitely not.

 

I cannot see Porsche limiting their EV's Taycan & Macan.  If you do EV's you HAVE to do ICE, nope, never, not going to happen.

If you ask MG for a guarantee that they wouldn't apply any changes to reducing the   acceleration in their cars

the stock answer will be

Currently we have no plans to apply any changes that would result in limiting the acceleration in our cars however if we were mandated to apply such a change from the Transport safety office in your country then we would have no choice but to apply such a change

When the number of deaths and serious injury increase to an unacceptable level due to extreme  acceleration

Expect that manufacturers will be required to mandatory apply a change to all existing and new vehicles to limit the  extreme  acceleration on EV's

Extreme Acceleration Is the New Traffic Safety Frontier

The electric vehicle revolution has also helped deliver a new golden age of automotive horsepower — and safety regulators aren’t ready for it

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-01-06/welcome-to-the-age-of-extreme-acceleration

5 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ok, I'll try one last time. Oh, and by the way, you can't have it both ways. You posted an article that says 22% of Chinese EV owners surveyed said they would not buy another one. You're happy to post that. But when I say that means 78% are fine with their decision you say it's not allowed because "The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not".

 

So it's ok to post the negative aspect without knowing the exact question asked but not ok to infer the opposite without knowing the exact question asked.

So, if the article is saying 22% of those asked said they wouldn't buy another EV what question do you think they were asked? Do they like turnips? What's their favourite colour? Or perhaps "would you buy another EV?". Maybe?

I hope you can see the hypocrisy now. Probably not, but for sure everyone else can.

 

I posted "A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car

yes we don't know the question asked in the survey it might have been Will your next car be a NEV

Now what we don't know is what was the response of the other 78% it might have been yes next car will be a NEV or it might have been a % for yes and a % for not sure or a % will say depends on what is available when we come to replace our current model 

So we don't know the question that was asked and we don't know the response from the other 78% there may have been multiple replies 

As stated

All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy

7 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I don't get it. I hate beetroot, just my personal taste. I don't go on vegetable forums and tell people beetroot are stupid, that 22% of people who bought a beetroot didn't like it, I don't search for links and surveys to try to convince people who like beetroot that they are wrong. Why would I waste my time doing that? I just don't like beetroot.

I honestly don't understand the motivation of these people. Why not just say "I don't like EVs, I prefer petrol". That would be fine as it is a personal opinion. Say you don't like them and move on and get on with your day. What triggers people so much about a different propulsion method that they have to waste their time (and ours) posting nonsense about it?

And I don't get why you would post that I posted a link claiming xxx when I clearly didn't post such a link

And why you attempt to extrapolate a point of view where no such information is available from within the article

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

If you think my posts are  nonsense and wasting your time the simply answer is to ignore them and don't reply

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Why do you bother?

 

I don't understand your motivation for hating EV's, have you ever driven one?

I wouldn't expect you to allow anyone on this forum to get away with posting fake information about EV's or ICE vehicles on this forum unless it was favorable towards EV's

I don't plan on changing vehicles until 2028 

And yes I have driven an EV

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

EV mating season. 

 

Tesla has been ordered to recall nearly 4,000 of its Cybertrucks due to an accelerator pedal that can stick in place when pressed down.

The cause, according to the regulator: soap.

“An unapproved change introduced lubricant (soap) to aid in the component assembly of the pad onto the accelerator pedal. Residual lubricant reduced the retention of the pad to the pedal,” the NHTSA wrote in the recall document.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/business/tesla-cybertruck-recall/index.html#:~:text=Tesla

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Sigh, it is simple maths. 22% regret their decision and wouldn't buy another EV. Subtract that from 100 and you get 78% who obviously are fine with their decision to buy an EV and wouldn't change it. No?

 

So 90% are happy in 1st and 2nd tier cities - great! That's a lot of people. China is a big place so if the infrastructure is poor in 3rd and 4th tier cities it stands to reason that the ratio would be lower. TBH I have no idea what the charging infrastructure is like in Chinese 3rd and 4th tier cities. Same as anywhere else - if you don't have home charging or need to drive long distances and there are not enough CSs then it's not going to be a happy ownership experience - that isn't news and no one denies it.

 

Ok, let's just leave it. You posted a link that says 78% of EV owners in China wouldn't change their decision. I said that's about the average approval rating for most types of cars and you kept pestering for a link so I gave you one that happened to come from the States. I am not sure why you are fixated on this because it is not a massive claim, it is just life, and it is incidental. Let's move on as this is pointless.

And Once again your posting rubbish please provide the link where I posted "You posted a link that says 78% of EV owners in China wouldn't change their decision." as I know that I didn't post such a link

All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not all it states 

Once again a tissue of fake claims  try reading the article slowly

One in five Chinese EV owners wouldn’t buy another

A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car,

The report shows that the proportion of electric car owners in third- and fourth-tier cities who regret their purchase stands at a striking 54%, compared with only 10% in first- and second-tier cities.

All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

39 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Jeez, you forgot already that you posted that 22% regret their choice of an EV. Ergo 78% are happy with their choice, no? 

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

Because it is so important to you I have found a link that shows that is kind of an average approval rating for a car. Here's how many people would buy the same car again (interestingly an EV brand tops the list, sorry) A 78% approval rating such as in your story is actually quite high.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/most-and-least-liked-car-brands-a1291429338/

Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article does state

The report shows that the proportion of electric car owners in third- and fourth-tier cities who regret their purchase stands at a striking 54%, compared with only 10% in first- and second-tier cities. The dissatisfaction among owners in smaller cities stems from inconvenient charging infrastructure, highlighting a major challenge faced by electric vehicle adoption in these regions.

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

Your average approval rating is strange as now your quoting a US website previously you were quoting figures from a SMMT survey and most people should know that the 

The Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders (SMMT) supports and promotes the interests of the UK automotive industry at home and abroad.

Best cars to own: Driver Power 2023 results

The best new cars to own in the UK right now according to the people who already do. It’s the 2023 Driver Power results!

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results

No ev's in the top 10 some do appear in the 11-75 listings

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results

10 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No need to get your knickers in a twist. I am not claiming something surprising, You posted that 78% of Chinese customers were happy with their EV. I was merely pointing out that, generally, that is about the average for any type of vehicle. It's not a major claim, just common sense. If I said the sky was blue would you need a link? What about saying water was wet?

Of course some people will regret buying an EV if they haven't properly researched things. Buy one without home charging and you would regret it for sure. Buy one if you need to drive hundreds of kilometres at a time on a regular basis and you would probably regret it. You said 78% of people are happy, that sounds about right. The 22% made a mistake.

 

Personally I regret buying an ICEV as I spent 2.4m baht on it and now I could get a BYD Seal Performance for 800k less with better technology, much better performance (0-100kmh in an instantly accessible 3.8s as opposed to the sluggish, non linear and noisy 6.6s that I have now) and with a much nicer driving experience. I could buy a Deepal L07S for 1.15m baht less, and they are fantastic (I have been in one and it is gorgeous). Heck I could buy one for my wife too!  Of course they weren't on the market four years ago when I bought my ICEV but if I had my choice again today it would be a no brainer.

Please provide a link where I posted " You posted that 78% of Chinese customers were happy with their EV."

I know you can't provide a link to support your post like you can't provide a link to support your previous post on this thread

Looks like my summary of your posts were 100% correct your post is 100% pure bull

Overall New Energy Vehicle Owner Satisfaction Decreases, J.D. Power Finds

Interesting that only Deepal , GAC AION and Changan appear in the top 10 of Chinese Brands 

While Byd, Ora, Neta and Wuling appear in the Bottom top 10 of Chinese Brands 

The overall CXVI score for Chinese domestic brands in 2023 is 768, down 27 points from 795 in 2022, while the index score for international brands is 779, which is 23 points lower than the score in 2022.

CXVI = Customer Experience Value Index

https://china.jdpower.com/press-releases/2023-CXVI

35 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

New headline for you: 78% of Chinese EV owners happy with their choice.

"According to a survey conducted by the UK's Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) in 2020, approximately 75% of car owners in the UK are satisfied with their current vehicle.

Here's a breakdown of the survey's findings:

• 75% of respondents reported being "very satisfied" or "satisfied" with their current vehicle.
• 15% reported being "neutral" or "neither satisfied nor dissatisfied".
• 10% reported being "dissatisfied" or "very dissatisfied" with their current vehicle.

It's worth noting that these figures are based on a survey of over 2,000 UK car owners and may not be representative of the entire UK population. Additionally, the survey did not ask about specific aspects of car ownership, such as fuel efficiency, reliability, or maintenance costs.

It's also important to consider that car ownership is a complex and multifaceted issue, influenced by a range of factors, including personal preferences, lifestyle, and environmental concerns."

Can't link to it as it was a summary from Grok, but the point is obvious.

If you can't provide a link to support your post then your post is 100% pure bull<deleted>

If I posted something without providing supporting links I would expect to be told the same

The SMMT is not known for doing these types of Survey's and searching the SMMT website you will find zero results using keywords from your post 

https://www.smmt.co.uk/

Top 10 best-selling cars 2024

Without further ado, here are the UK’s official best-selling cars of 2024 so far, according to data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/94280/best-selling-cars

Not a single EV listed in the Top 10

Chinese EVs Become Virtually Uninsurable In UK Even Though There’s Nothing Wrong With Them

While Britain sees an influx of Chinese marques, many insurers are hesitant to underwrite the new EVs for a number of reasons

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/chinese-evs-become-virtually-uninsurable-in-the-uk-says-report/

Chinese EV owners queue for well over an hour for a charging station during holidays and then wait another average 50 minutes for the vehicle to charge, according to a 2023 report by the China Electric Vehicle Charging Infrastructure Promotion Alliance (EVCIPA). On busy days, long queues form on highways, and 70% of surveyed Chinese EV owners reported dissatisfaction with waiting times. In rural regions, charging stations are scarce or simply out of service.

https://restofworld.org/2024/ev-battery-swapping-china/

I have seen posts on Facebook groups in Thailand where the owner has access to both an EV and ICE vehicle choosing to use the ICE vehicle over Songkran rather than the EV