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30 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

No, they just let the British do.

And when the British fishermen discover, the British consumers does not want their catch enough, the EU will buy it... for a lousy price.

What Helmut Kohl said a 30 years ago: "when you easily can buy (the Ukraine grain fields / the Russian raw materials)... do not fight for it... "

British consumers taste have changed over the years remember the UK also has 4 million Europeans who also like fish

in recent years fish and chips shops have been stocking Vietnamese pangasius

And I am sure there are more markets that are interested in buying British fish outside of the UK excluding Europe

11 hours ago, Susco said:

 

I think you misunderstood his question.

 

He didn't ask for companies that export to the EU and have EXIted BRitain

Which companies have EXIted BRitain or are you telling porkies

24 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

a few more for the road:

 

"We started the year with easiest deal in history, sunny uplands and ending it with port blockages, unicef feeding our kids and a collapsed economy where no deal (a million to one disaster or negotiation by Johnson’s own admission) is being rebranded as Australia deal to fool the gullible 

Not going too well is it?"

 

"17.4 million Lievers must now be either:
1. Realising how silly they were in being conned by and lied to by Farage and co.
2. Becoming ever more dissonant, desperately seeking to defend their indefensible, disastrous choice, to cut the UK's ties with the world's wealthiest, nearest and most powerful trading partnerships."

 

"More the first time it's been quite so obvious France and Germany are using the EC as a political shield - if it goes well, they'll take the credit, if it goes badly they'll let the Commission bureaucracy take the blame - hence the reason the Commission has been playing for no deal from day one, no upside to them in a 'pretty good' or 'win-win' deal."

If it all goes horribly wrong the Uk will play the Turkish Card in about 20 years from now

Since Turkey started the EU Accession process it has received billions of euros from the EU taxpayer

Has the EU seen a return from that investment

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19 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

some interesting comments from the BBC website:

 

"It does seem a bit absurd that the EU expect unfettered access to another countries territorial waters. No other country allows this. If you want the fish from our waters, buy them from our catch. A bit like when we want wine from France - we buy it rather than driving over to France and helping ourselves to the vineyards crop. It works both ways."

 

"Water moves as do fish!
How do you propose to keep the waters and fish static?"

 

"On BBC news this morning.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling."

british scientists are planning to put a special fish food into the British waters this special fish food will change the colour of the skin of the fish into the colours of the union jack

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

to me it looks like theatricals before the deal As this podcast shows, we have now a pretty balanced deal.

 

By balanced I mean "which takes into account the UK is 1/6 of the size of the EU".

Doesn't seem to be balanced here regarding fishing

The Frenchman said a seven-year transition period, during which the generous access enjoyed by EU trawlermen to UK waters would be gradually phased down.

He also proposed boosting the bloc’s previous offer to increase fishing quotas for British vessels in our waters.

Mr Barnier said between 22 and 23 percent of the value of fish caught in UK waters should be returned to Britain.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1374288/Brexit-news-UK-EU-trade-talks-latest-fishing-deal-Michel-Barnier-update

Maybe the Uk should offer the EU between 22 and 23 % fishing quota down  from last week offer of 40% I sure the EU will say that a fair and balanced deal

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1374288/Brexit-news-UK-EU-trade-talks-latest-fishing-deal-Michel-Barnier-update

26 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Do you realise that the total production of this outfit is zero? It’s Remainer spin about a moving something that has never existed. They didn’t even start to build a factory but bought a ready made defunct Daimler Benz place. 

Nobody is letting on how much it cost or how much they got in EU grants and loans. The project will probably fail anyway so I hope he takes them for a bundle. 

Smartville is a purpose-built factory complex in Hambach, France,

The "smart" production site in Hambach (France) with its 2,000 workers was among the most modern automobile production plants. It had been built for 450 million Euros and started production in 1998

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartville,_Hambach,_France

But now Hambach is becoming a burden for Daimler because the capacities are much too large due to the Corona crisis. However, dismantling will be expensive. Daimler is initially planning a three-digit million euro amount for the restructuring in Hambach.

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/daimler-stellt-smart-werk-hambach-zum-verkauf-16844737.html

Sounds like it would have been very expensive to  dismantle factory

6 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  And from the results show , in the poll  from December 2020 shows 54 % of people thought leaving the E.U was a bad idea , that was during the last election period when an overwhelming majority of people voted for Brexit , by way of election .

  The small poll says one thing , the General election says something different .

Which one to believe ?

A General election when the whole Country is asked or a poll when a few people are asked ?

A media outlet approaches a polling company

they want a poll but they are not sure if the results will meet their agenda

Polling company states no problems we will skew the question to provide you with the results that you seek

media outlet how can you guarantee that the people taking part in the poll will answer the way i want them to

Polling company No problem we have a huge online database of people and we know their political persuasion based on previous polls that they have completed, we will also send the poll to a small number of people that will answer not in your favour as a poll that shows 100% in your favour might look dodgy

But we can  guarantee a poll results  that meets your agenda

4 hours ago, Hi from France said:

first what allows you to use the "we"?

 

besides the obvious fact that a majority of the population is against brexit , 

 

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/?removed 

 

 

so who is your "we" ? obviously not the majority of the UK population (even less Northern Ireland or Scotland who ironically are more pro-EU than most EU countries)

 

 

 

 

 

now beside not wanting to leave the EU (too late now!) the second question now is "do we want to follow UE rules" ? As you say 

 

on this question, we have polls too

 

 

 

there, once the UK citizen are obliged to leave, it's a fifty-fifty "follow EU rules" or "not follow"

 

 

 

so, I leave it to you to use bayesian inference and calculate what actual percentage of the population is your "We don't want to follow them"...

 

 

in terms of pollution, carbon dioxide emission, workers right, protection of privacy etc.. EU rules can actually be considered pretty cool. Now, the UK could do faster and better on things like animal welfare (but then, forget about chlorinated chicken and a FTA with the USA)

 

 

 

A third question would be 

 

.. but are you going to follow them anyway. As the previous podcast shows, the UK has paid a huge price for the right to diverge.

 

 

 

 

The question of future years is "now it can, will the UK diverge or not" ? Given that the present deal will put a price tag on divergence, that remains to be seen.

 

 

 

Every hypothetical divergence would a/ be payed by the british worker/taxpayer and b/ won't even deliver a competitive advantage

 

 

 

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if you look at the sponsor data and size data you will see sponsor is "The Times" will known remainer media outlet and the sample data is between 1600-1700

It would be more interesting if you find a poll that goes against the agenda of the sponsor but i suspect no such poll exists

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

Chess, I played it, not often but good enough to hold my own. But good lets keep the chess analogy going though I see this more as poker with a bad hand and the opponent knowing you have a bad hand.

 

For your analogy to work there must be an advantage. What advantage did he win that he not already had. 

This is the area that the EU stated they got a concession on what the reports failed to mention is before the UK gave a concession the EU gave a concession

Level playing field

Reports from Brussels suggested the EU was close to backing down on its insistence that it should have the right to impose “lightning tariffs” on UK goods the instant it believes a breach of a deal has been committed.

The EU has until now said it should be able to do this before any alleged breaches have gone through an arbitration process. Britain has always insisted that retaliatory tariffs can only be imposed as a result of a ruling from an independent arbitration body.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/15/brexit-talks-extended-key-points-latest-news/

35 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Because you have simply ignored the evidence put before you and have decided that everyone who voted for Brexit did so because they wanted no deal.

They did not. They voted for Brexit based on what Johnson and vote leave said would happen. They both went to great lengths to claim we would be leaving with a deal.

You don't know why people voted leave but everyone that voted leave understood what was on the ballot paper

and Cameron told everyone 28 times if you vote leave the uk will be leaving the EU, the single market, ECJ