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11 minutes ago, puipuitom said:
No, only dead fish.
The British see it as a sign of their independence, the rest op Europe only laughs about it. Such a small part of the economy, easy to buy-out all fishermen with the revenues import duty of UK material will generate.
Macron is allowed to make some fuzz about it, to keep the British busy, and NOT thinking of much grater stakes like their "make" industry and their financial services.
It seems not everyone in the EU agrees with you
Brexit: French fishermen warn they will 'take action' if UK doesn't get a trade deal
Laurent says he and other French fishermen "won't accept" the UK ending the transition period without a deal.
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5 minutes ago, puipuitom said:
Just wait till their machinery are moved to the EU, and the British workers will be left with their unemployment allowance.
Nissan, Honda, Toyota wouldn't move to the EU, if they move anywhere it will be back to home Base Japan
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2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:
20 % seems not much, when not knowing what is given in lieu of.
When knowing, it may represent a lot;
or than still not much.
All depending from which side it is considered.
Fair, non acceptable, are very relative concepts.
It seems the EU has increased its offer now to 25% of fish stock so would it be fair if the UK retained 75% of its fishing stock and allowed the EU 25% of UK fishing stock
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55 minutes ago, puipuitom said:
Do the British not know where their cod is coming from ? Iceland ! So, 1 Jan 2021: import duty into the UK.
The fish in the UK waters are: herring, mackerel, and a lot of other fish the British do not eat much. So, 1 Jan: fish allowance nr + veterinary control of all fish the British want to export to the EU. Ask the Thai fish exporters. How long you think, the British fishermen can survive this ?
There is over 300 different species of fish being found in coastal waters around the British Isles including Cod
https://badangling.com/sea-fish-species-guide/
Let me ask you do you think the EU offer to the UK of allowing the UK to keep 20% of the UK fishing stock is fair
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Just now, GrandPapillon said:
The UK will not stop us from fishing in their water, it's another pipedream ????
Royal Navy will. Can I smell the sound of desperation from our French members
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1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:
If Boris doesn't surrender to the French, he will not get his EU deal, and then it's game over for him
Boris: 0, UK: -1, France: 2, EU: 1
Bye Bye France
Boris 2 UK 2 EU 0 France -2
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29 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:
Boris has gone full Maybot with his little negotiating dance,
it's not going to end well for him, he needs to surrender to the French immediately so he can save his country
If I was France I would start researching alternatives to fish such as Gardein Golden Fishless Filets
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11 hours ago, Susco said:I think you misunderstood his question.
He didn't ask for companies that export to the EU and have EXIted BRitain
Which companies have EXIted BRitain or are you telling porkies
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24 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:a few more for the road:
"We started the year with easiest deal in history, sunny uplands and ending it with port blockages, unicef feeding our kids and a collapsed economy where no deal (a million to one disaster or negotiation by Johnson’s own admission) is being rebranded as Australia deal to fool the gullible
Not going too well is it?""17.4 million Lievers must now be either:
1. Realising how silly they were in being conned by and lied to by Farage and co.
2. Becoming ever more dissonant, desperately seeking to defend their indefensible, disastrous choice, to cut the UK's ties with the world's wealthiest, nearest and most powerful trading partnerships.""More the first time it's been quite so obvious France and Germany are using the EC as a political shield - if it goes well, they'll take the credit, if it goes badly they'll let the Commission bureaucracy take the blame - hence the reason the Commission has been playing for no deal from day one, no upside to them in a 'pretty good' or 'win-win' deal."
If it all goes horribly wrong the Uk will play the Turkish Card in about 20 years from now
Since Turkey started the EU Accession process it has received billions of euros from the EU taxpayer
Has the EU seen a return from that investment
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19 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:some interesting comments from the BBC website:
"It does seem a bit absurd that the EU expect unfettered access to another countries territorial waters. No other country allows this. If you want the fish from our waters, buy them from our catch. A bit like when we want wine from France - we buy it rather than driving over to France and helping ourselves to the vineyards crop. It works both ways."
"Water moves as do fish!
How do you propose to keep the waters and fish static?""On BBC news this morning.
The EU want to limit the UK's level of state aid, and have said that the member EU states will abide buy the same rules...
… except if the subsidy come directly from Brussels it should be exempt to this limit.
How in any light can anyone deliver this with a straight face and then claim they are operating a level playing field? This is why talks are stalling."british scientists are planning to put a special fish food into the British waters this special fish food will change the colour of the skin of the fish into the colours of the union jack
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2 hours ago, Hi from France said:
well this is fine, in France a lot of people were actually ready to pay the UK so that the country leaves ????
not only did the UK did it, but it did it demonstrating how damaging it is... so that there are no anymore credible politicians in Europe advocating for their country to leave the EU.
the "stronger together" message got through thanks to you ????
We will see how the stronger together message is standing up next year if there is no EU access to UK waters for fishing
Already we have seen the French fisherman state French waters for French only No Dutch, Ireland has the same concern about its waters
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2 hours ago, Hi from France said:to me it looks like theatricals before the deal As this podcast shows, we have now a pretty balanced deal.
By balanced I mean "which takes into account the UK is 1/6 of the size of the EU".
Doesn't seem to be balanced here regarding fishing
The Frenchman said a seven-year transition period, during which the generous access enjoyed by EU trawlermen to UK waters would be gradually phased down.
He also proposed boosting the bloc’s previous offer to increase fishing quotas for British vessels in our waters.
Mr Barnier said between 22 and 23 percent of the value of fish caught in UK waters should be returned to Britain.
Maybe the Uk should offer the EU between 22 and 23 % fishing quota down from last week offer of 40% I sure the EU will say that a fair and balanced deal-
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1 hour ago, david555 said:
(The picture show it all desperation in extremis .... ???? .... he send HOC in recess as a pressure tool.... , E.U. parliament just neutralize it with their ultimate deciding not voting after Sunday midnight deadline..... fair enough i would say....) ????
Brexit talks 'turn dark': No10 rages at EU for 'tying us up in knots' – no deal likely
BORIS JOHNSON is refusing to buckle to "unacceptable" EU demands as a final showdown in the Brexit trade negotiations looms.
By MACER HALL AND JOE BARNES
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Dec 18, 2020 | UPDATED: 00:02, Fri, Dec 18, 2020Prime_Minister_Boris_Johnson_convened_a_meeting_of_his_Cabinet_t-a-61_1598962954231.jpg
MEPs have declared a trade deal must be thrashed out by this Sunday to have any chance of being ratified by the end of the year. But ahead of the deadline, the Prime Minister’s aides have warned that “intractable” disagreements over key issues mean a “no deal” conclusion to the talks is increasingly likely. They said “unreasonable” demands for continuing access to British coastal waters from French President Emmanuel Macron are threatening to scupper the negotiations.
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I wouldn't get hung up over the photo it clear it has been photoshopped from an picture taken in September and merged with a picture of a building with the eu flag
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8684867/Ministers-fear-Chris-Whitty-quit-work-drive.html
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6 hours ago, Hi from France said:
I think a deal does make a lot of difference : tariffs barriers are unsustainable. e.g. for the supply chains of the auto industry 10% is simply unmanageable
now even with a deal that will suppress quotas and tariffs there will be a mountain of bureaucracy: 400 millions extra customs checks a year that will hurt and isolate the british islands
right now Swindon has closed and could not restart at all in case of no-deal, Jaguar has closed on an off (right now it's off), the Japanese at Sunderland are very very nervous
another problem with the deal that will be signed (97%-ready)
- The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019. A surplus of £18 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£97 billion on trade in goods.
source House of Commons Library
you get my point:
- in the area where the UK has a trade deficit, goods, there will be not quotas or tariffs; Guess who will benefit
- in the area where the UK has a trade surplus, services this is a no-deal. Granted, services are more complicated than goods, but in this area, the UK has been unable to ask/get anything at all. e.g. in finance the EU can revoke the equivalence of UK banks with a 30-days notice.
another little-discussed problem is that is Brexit will create a more bureaucratic state
In the event of no deal and the UK EU trade on WTO terms all vehicles in both directions will be subject to 10% tariffs
the largest single item where the UK has a trade deficit is on vehicles so I assume you mean that the UK will benefit
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26 minutes ago, Loiner said:Do you realise that the total production of this outfit is zero? It’s Remainer spin about a moving something that has never existed. They didn’t even start to build a factory but bought a ready made defunct Daimler Benz place.
Nobody is letting on how much it cost or how much they got in EU grants and loans. The project will probably fail anyway so I hope he takes them for a bundle.
Smartville is a purpose-built factory complex in Hambach, France,
The "smart" production site in Hambach (France) with its 2,000 workers was among the most modern automobile production plants. It had been built for 450 million Euros and started production in 1998
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartville,_Hambach,_France
But now Hambach is becoming a burden for Daimler because the capacities are much too large due to the Corona crisis. However, dismantling will be expensive. Daimler is initially planning a three-digit million euro amount for the restructuring in Hambach.
Sounds like it would have been very expensive to dismantle factory
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6 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:And from the results show , in the poll from December 2020 shows 54 % of people thought leaving the E.U was a bad idea , that was during the last election period when an overwhelming majority of people voted for Brexit , by way of election .
The small poll says one thing , the General election says something different .
Which one to believe ?
A General election when the whole Country is asked or a poll when a few people are asked ?
A media outlet approaches a polling company
they want a poll but they are not sure if the results will meet their agenda
Polling company states no problems we will skew the question to provide you with the results that you seek
media outlet how can you guarantee that the people taking part in the poll will answer the way i want them to
Polling company No problem we have a huge online database of people and we know their political persuasion based on previous polls that they have completed, we will also send the poll to a small number of people that will answer not in your favour as a poll that shows 100% in your favour might look dodgy
But we can guarantee a poll results that meets your agenda
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4 hours ago, Hi from France said:first what allows you to use the "we"?
besides the obvious fact that a majority of the population is against brexit ,
so who is your "we" ? obviously not the majority of the UK population (even less Northern Ireland or Scotland who ironically are more pro-EU than most EU countries)
now beside not wanting to leave the EU (too late now!) the second question now is "do we want to follow UE rules" ? As you say
on this question, we have polls too
there, once the UK citizen are obliged to leave, it's a fifty-fifty "follow EU rules" or "not follow"
so, I leave it to you to use bayesian inference and calculate what actual percentage of the population is your "We don't want to follow them"...
in terms of pollution, carbon dioxide emission, workers right, protection of privacy etc.. EU rules can actually be considered pretty cool. Now, the UK could do faster and better on things like animal welfare (but then, forget about chlorinated chicken and a FTA with the USA)
A third question would be
.. but are you going to follow them anyway. As the previous podcast shows, the UK has paid a huge price for the right to diverge.
The question of future years is "now it can, will the UK diverge or not" ? Given that the present deal will put a price tag on divergence, that remains to be seen.
Every hypothetical divergence would a/ be payed by the british worker/taxpayer and b/ won't even deliver a competitive advantage
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if you look at the sponsor data and size data you will see sponsor is "The Times" will known remainer media outlet and the sample data is between 1600-1700
It would be more interesting if you find a poll that goes against the agenda of the sponsor but i suspect no such poll exists
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5 minutes ago, robblok said:
I am sorry can't read the article its paid for.
But did the EU give in or not on this point ? I can't read the full article here it only says the EU was close to backing down. Does not say anything about having backed down.
Personally I feel a independent arbitration body a good idea (if it works with backwards compensation for the whole period). So say 1 dec 2021 the UK breaks the rules and 4 aug 2025 the ruling is done then the extra tax has to be paid over the whole period. Otherwise such an arbitration could be used to have an unfair advantage. Using the time passed as an advantage.
I think we will have to wait until the end of the meetings but if this report is correct it would appear both sides made concessions to get to this point
I would find it impossible to do business with someone where they could load extra tarrifs/charges without going through an independent arbitration body first
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9 minutes ago, robblok said:Chess, I played it, not often but good enough to hold my own. But good lets keep the chess analogy going though I see this more as poker with a bad hand and the opponent knowing you have a bad hand.
For your analogy to work there must be an advantage. What advantage did he win that he not already had.
This is the area that the EU stated they got a concession on what the reports failed to mention is before the UK gave a concession the EU gave a concession
Level playing field
Reports from Brussels suggested the EU was close to backing down on its insistence that it should have the right to impose “lightning tariffs” on UK goods the instant it believes a breach of a deal has been committed.
The EU has until now said it should be able to do this before any alleged breaches have gone through an arbitration process. Britain has always insisted that retaliatory tariffs can only be imposed as a result of a ruling from an independent arbitration body.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/15/brexit-talks-extended-key-points-latest-news/
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39 minutes ago, robblok said:
Did you not read the news, he caved he did not walk like he said he would. Please keep up with the news so all 3 are true. He was adamant, I walk Sunday night if no deal is reached. Not only did he not walk he also gave in during negotiations.
Its Clear you don't play chess sometimes it to your advantage to sacrifice a pawn
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Suggest the op should look at xda developers website for phones that can be easily be rooted and flashed
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35 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:Because you have simply ignored the evidence put before you and have decided that everyone who voted for Brexit did so because they wanted no deal.
They did not. They voted for Brexit based on what Johnson and vote leave said would happen. They both went to great lengths to claim we would be leaving with a deal.
You don't know why people voted leave but everyone that voted leave understood what was on the ballot paper
and Cameron told everyone 28 times if you vote leave the uk will be leaving the EU, the single market, ECJ
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4 hours ago, Loiner said:
Got me there - I thought JLR was owned by Tata, a bunch of Indians.
Jaguar Landrover also thinks its owned by Tata Motors according to this website
Jaguar Land Rover is a West Midlands automotive company, a wholly owned subsiduary of India's Tata Motors.
updated
06:47, 12 DEC 2020
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/all-about/jaguar-land-rover
Haven't got a clue who Attwood is
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1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:
Despite positive signs on the so-called level playing field provisions, Barnier claimed talks over a deal on fishing had gone backwards, raising the risk they could run deep into December.
Not everything going the EU way
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EU's Barnier says: just hours left for a Brexit trade deal
in World News
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British consumers taste have changed over the years remember the UK also has 4 million Europeans who also like fish
in recent years fish and chips shops have been stocking Vietnamese pangasius
And I am sure there are more markets that are interested in buying British fish outside of the UK excluding Europe