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7 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

The main difference between these 2 categories being

the first own the land they buy

and the others just provide the money, the land

they pay for is not in their name.

 

Not a big deal for few lucky one

(And you are probably one of them)

 but a disaster in the making for the others

Why you talking about disaster? One one should put in more money than they are willing to walk away from, right? 

Everywhere you walk in thailand you see disasters of human life that hoped and dreamt about something else! But thats part of it, some find it, and some do not, and some get over it, and some others dont. 

And some end up here telling everyone else what to do and not to do

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You can have that same countryside 30 min east of Pattaya. You and most all are where they are because they followed the little lady. You don't have to go to Isaan to have peace and quiet.

 Some people will never get it, because they never experienced it. Yes, of course we would never found the place without help from our little lady as you so nicely put it. Further explanation should not be necessery. 

Family is important to the little girls as you call them, and not all family or every girl need to manipulate you to go back with them. It was an easy choice when covid arrived to move out of the city, and so far not regret it. Not every close family relation is bad, and for us rather very helpful to take care of her land and our animals when we travel. 

Also built myself an nice gym. The freedom lays in the space you can affort away from everything compare to 30 min away from Pattaya and Hua Hin as an example. Cant beat that feeling, but as said not everyone can understand it, and the same security vise when we travel. 

4 minutes ago, bermondburi said:

Fair play to you if you enjoy that life. But wouldn't you say that you're in the minority?

You meet two type of people who have moved out on the country side. Those who have given up and do not do nothing, and they who actually create a daily life for themselves. The same type you also find in the more populated tourist areas. For an healthy active man, sitting still and do nothing is not a life, and if you have resources, you also manage to escape if you do not like that kind of lifestyle. I moved to country side because of covid, and have so far not regret once. As told before, when you get bored country side, you load up the bikes, and leave for a weekend, week or weeks. 

Boring village life during covid

What ever governents do or not do, it is still survival of fittest!

Even survival of the fittest is not on a caveman stadium anymore, it is still those who is best prepered to stay alive health vise as economical. 

38 minutes ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

Thai lady lures farang out to the farm, the classic tale. Reminded me of this, though in reverse. Go on YT and look up "Sara" by Starship. You may remember the classic 80's tune. The video goes like this:

 

1) Opening scene is of a farmhouse. A young lady angrily storms out of it, hops in her car, and leaves her man in the dust, on the long road back to civilization.

2) We then begin to learn through flashbacks, that the young man had inherited the farm from grandpa, and lured his city chick out there to try the farm life.

3) Initially it looked good, with drunken parties and dancing. We also see flashbacks to grandpa's happy childhood on the farm.

4) Then turmoil struck, in both pasts. Grandpa's mom too left the farm for some reason, down the same road. Then a tornado comes and rips through it. Interspersed with this, in the near past, the young couple's parties aren't so fun anymore.

5) Finally, the young man keeps staring down the road, reflecting on both pasts. The moral I guess is, while things turned out bad, it's nothing new really and could've been worse, and he and grandpa must both move on.

It for sure true for some, but not everybody, and if you believe so, you got quite a narrow mind if you can not see any advantages of living on the country side. 

4 minutes ago, Ian3005 said:

From what I gather it doesn't matter who holds the title deeds.

They can claim the deeds have been misplaced and get another set and sell anyway.

 

Does Kaifaak apply to Foreigners?

My understanding is that foreigners cannot own land. Only a 30 year lease which I'm trying to find details on to prevent me from being screwed over

 

If someone wants to screw you over, you have a small chance to avoid it when the money is placed. And if the chance is even fair, it can takes years to get settlement as we all have heard. I just say good luck and hope he keeps us updated how it goes. 

Even lease have its faults I have heard.

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

So many people claim or believe they have already had Covid-19....  While the Antibody test isn’t considered a highly accurate test, it would be interesting to actually know results and see whether or not Covid-19 has already swept through society / Thailand. 

 

That said, the variants of concern are of concern because it is believed they have:

- The ability to evade natural immunity (e.g., causing reinfections)

- The ability to infect vaccinated individuals

 

Thus, it is reported that if someone has had Covid-19 of a previous variant there may be no natural immunity to new variants (as noted on Wiki - link below) - I hope this is wrong. 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2

I have met a few falangs around in Thailand claiming they had the covid, but none of them had done any test or had any other proof. 

8 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Deteriated some like everything does but dual braking still works and still locks the front wheel although needs a harder pull obviously. 

Brake fluids is somthing I take serious, however oil change, it is all about your driving style, lenght of driving when you drive, and not only based on km. Time is another factor when it comes to oil. 

Or take land worth more than 2 million, where I believe his motivation lays

6 minutes ago, Robin said:

Never lend any money to anyone if you are not prepared to lose it.  This applies to anyone, not only Thais.

Banks are in the business of lending money, and know what they are doing and the risks.  Why try to do better than they can.

 

No reason why you cannot give her 2 Millions and be surprised if you get any back.  it is your money and you can do what you want with it.

It is posts like this where I believe the OP have gone through all the scenarios that can happen, and still willing to take the risk, so I guess it is waste of time, since it will not change his decission to lend her the money, and the question is more of a technical art than common sense ???? 

he is willig to risk 2 million to make 200 000,- +-

11 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Just couldn't resist saying what experiment I carried out on my scoot so I could prove something to myself and not to listen or read BS.

Not changed coolant or brake fluid in 15 years either everything's fine.

It maybe still good because it's a Honda. ????

Ehm, brake fluid? 

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Like someone said on a post, using "God" is probably using the wrong term as people think it's referring to all the different gods of different religions. I should say " the creator of life the universe and everything", but it's a bit long to use, so "God" must suffice.

 

To answer the question, there is only one "God", though "God" may come in different guises. "God" appears to me in the sunset, in clouds, in rain, in forests, in the endless ocean etc. ie nature. "God" may appear to others as a triple headed elephant statue. Many paths, one destination.

And why only one god? Why couldnt it be more gods? 

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Errrrrrrr, if God created life the universe and everything then God created nature. Ergo the "rules" of nature were created by God.

My best guess, I believe also a force, energy will have to work with the rules creator or not! Im still amused how much energy put in to something that you can only asume, or create/see/experience inside you after long long training, and where I believe we are the creators of the god(s) Thats why I say it is all inside you

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Assume a bank already has first lien on the land.

You'll get nothing.

Then she have no legal paper to give to him if so. 

I still do not understand why she do not want to take a bank loan, and sell the properties involved with the bank loan included. That is perfectly normal, or? 

5 minutes ago, How2 said:

I am married to a Thai, we live on our farm in Issan for 20 years now.

Over that time we have seen over 30 farang came and go. There are 4 of us left now. We keep to ourselves and have a get together perhaps once every month of so. If you can entertain yourself with music, reading, hobbies as painting. If you have projects around the house/farm daily and if you can accept the Thai community way of life ... boom/boom (15" base speakers)  music for weddings, funerals and all holidays. Soy dogs fighting and barking most all nights and when in heat. Thai families are usually good, accepting and understanding, but you will never understand how they live, values, beliefs, ghosts and luck.

The big question is not Thailand or Issan, the big unknown is you. Can you adapt? and can you adapt to Thailand. Coming from USA to Thailand will be a big contrast Capitalism and materialism at its worst to simplicity at its best. It's the silence and lack of stimulation that will be your biggest test.

 

It is all in your head, and willing to adopt or as you say living outside a society you never will completely understand.

Arm, farming, used to live remote, and willing to walk the extra mile to thrive and keep yourselves busy. As well have resourches to manage to escape once and awhile to reset yourselves, as well do not make this as your final destinarion, but have a plan when you get older and might need to move somewhere else a bit more urban with facilties that kan take care of an old man.

Everything is a journey, and at once you decide this is it, you slowly start dying. Isan is not my final destination for sure, but as long it makes my gf happy, Im happy, her family is happy, im pleased to stay as long I can.

2 hours ago, 473geo said:

What you don't know is I was raised in the countryside, worked on a farm in my younger years, moved to office work in London and have seen many facets of how people live, kid themselves their life is rewarding, by upgrading properties, vehicles, going out to fine restaurants, basically spending to justify the hours work sucks out of their lives

Then you have Isaan where people can live on a small piece of land work occasionally to pay for few beers, I enjoy living in that relaxed mode - 'gated community' full of people who think they have 'made it' no thanks

Cant explain why you like to live in the mountains in europe to someone who never felt the beuty of the differnt seasons, and never had the feeling of being truly free alone in the wilderness. Almost the same goes for Isan with its diversity. The good thing, we are free to leave whenever we want, and go on holiday to their paradises, and it feels like holiday and not day to day experience that gets truly boring after awhile. 

Im also born and rised on a farm country side, and appreciate the freedom that comes with it, but for sure, not for everybody. 

19 minutes ago, Denim said:

 

Well, I have friends that live in Cambodia and the Philippines but when they want serious top notch medical services they fly here. I only get to see them when they have a medical problem. Especially true for my friend who lives in Cambodia.

 

If you have decided you no longer want to live in your home country and you are looking for somewhere else to live you will probably go for the place that ticks the most boxes. Woman are just one of those boxes and not the only one.

Cambodia and phil os often for those who have given up thai women ????

Of course it is more voxes to tick off when moving, the same goes for making the decission moving to Isan! Often we have different reasons also, not only the woman, but for sure I would not stay anyplace in the world without a woman. Living Alone is not for me

19 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

None of them

 

(Except maybe very few rare exceptions)

 

Of course most of them will deny this fact

Why deny it? Same as every singel man coming to thailand deny they come for women and not temples ? 

When first have a woman, Isan is a great place to have a base!

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God created the universe and science tells us that black holes consume everything around them, ergo, God made black holes that can consume solar systems.

I aggree, nature have the power to destroy us, but even nature have to follow rules and laws the nature created. Nature do not have free will to do what it want. So the god you talking about do not have free will to do what he want when he want. 

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God can destroy entire solar systems with black holes. Why would God even be concerned about our little lives?

How do you know god can do that? 

35 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

When Einstein gave lectures at U.S. universities, the recurring question that students asked him most was:

- Do you believe in God?

And he always answered:

- I believe in the God of Spinoza.

Baruch de Spinoza was a Dutch philosopher considered one of the great rationalists of 17th century philosophy, along with Descartes.

(Spinoza) : God would say:

Stop praying.

What I want you to do is go out into the world and enjoy your life. I want you to sing, have fun and enjoy everything I've made for you.

Stop going into those dark, cold temples that you built yourself and saying they are my house. My house is in the mountains, in the woods, rivers, lakes, beaches. That's where I live and there I express my love for you.

Stop blaming me for your miserable life; I never told you there was anything wrong with you or that you were a sinner, or that your sexuality was a bad thing. Sex is a gift I have given you and with which you can express your love, your ecstasy, your joy. So don't blame me for everything they made you believe.

Stop reading alleged sacred scriptures that have nothing to do with me. If you can't read me in a sunrise, in a landscape, in the look of your friends, in your son's eyes... you will find me in no book!

Stop asking me "will you tell me how to do my job?" Stop being so scared of me. I do not judge you or criticize you, nor get angry, or bothered. I am pure love.

Stop asking for forgiveness, there's nothing to forgive. If I made you... I filled you with passions, limitations, pleasures, feelings, needs, inconsistencies... free will. How can I blame you if you respond to something I put in you? How can I punish you for being the way you are, if I'm the one who made you? Do you think I could create a place to burn all my children who behave badly for the rest of eternity? What kind of god would do that?

Respect your peers and don't do what you don't want for yourself. All I ask is that you pay attention in your life, that alertness is your guide.

My beloved, this life is not a test, not a step on the way, not a rehearsal, nor a prelude to paradise. This life is the only thing here and now and it is all you need.

I have set you absolutely free, no prizes or punishments, no sins or virtues, no one carries a marker, no one keeps a record.

You are absolutely free to create in your life. Heaven or hell.

I can't tell you if there's anything after this life but I can give you a tip. Live as if there is not. As if this is your only chance to enjoy, to love, to exist.

So, if there's nothing after, then you will have enjoyed the opportunity I gave you. And if there is, rest assured that I won't ask if you behaved right or wrong, I'll ask. Did you like it? Did you have fun? What did you enjoy the most? What did you learn?...

Stop believing in me; believing is assuming, guessing, imagining. I don't want you to believe in me, I want you to believe in you. I want you to feel me in you when you kiss your beloved, when you tuck in your little girl, when you caress your dog, when you bathe in the sea.

Stop praising me, what kind of egomaniac God do you think I am?

I'm bored being praised. I'm tired of being thanked. Feeling grateful? Prove it by taking care of yourself, your health, your relationships, the world. Express your joy! That's the way to praise me.

Stop complicating things and repeating as a parakeet what you've been taught about me.

What do you need more miracles for? So many explanations?

The only thing for sure is that you are here, that you are alive, that this world is full of wonders.

- Spinoza

 

Spinoza was a enlightenend man of respect! Amen