Thailand Outcast

3 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Of course.

 

It is their country. As an alien, you simply cannot believe that you have some sort of God given right to simply live here for as long as you want, for whatever reason you want. 

 

It's really very, very simple. 

Correct, you can be ousted from Thailand with a stroke of a pen from Bangkok.

It is that simple. 

28 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

It is perfect for Thai immigration too. But honestly, isn't it a matter of about US$3000 per year? 

If they have Thai wives they can get Non-Imm O and marrriage extension.

If over 50 a retirement Extension.

They are younger guys.  No Thai girlfriends.  No Thai wives. 

They drank, ate, and shagged to excess for their 1 month off.  I met a couple of miners from Australia who were the same. 

Themselves, and their money, now go to Vietnam, and why, because they come to Thailand for a month, every second month, so they must be working illegally here.  ????

2 minutes ago, glegolo said:

You need to come out of your english "loop".. I think at least you must be english.... My income is reglated as the most by index, so I know of course that I will have less, but still be able to live on it......

 

glegolo

Great.  If you can see 25 years into the future for the global, and the Thai economy, perhaps you can tell me what stocks and bonds will be worth 20 times more, in 25 years.  ????

8 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

What is the OP's reason for living here?

 

There are appropriate visas for those living here for:

 

Work.

Study.

Spouse or child.

Retirement

Genuine tourism.

Most tourists don't even need a visa due to the excellent 30 day Visa Exemption available to genuine tourists arriving for a 2-3-4 week holiday.

 

Some people feel they have some sort of right to simply rock up and live, simply because they want to. Doing so on repeated 'tourist' visas.

 

 

You don't. You don't have that right. 

 

Might be a bit of a hit to the ego. Eh. How dare they not grant me the right to simply show up and live here, and abuse their visa system to do so. 

And how would you feel if they changed the requirements needed for the visa you are living here on, and you couldn't meet the new requirements.  Would you then agree that you have no right to expect to be able to live here? 

1 minute ago, glegolo said:

as being 90 years of age, probably yes I would... Also adding into this "stew".. he start to compain about the lack of smiles and the greed of the thai people...  What´s new under the sun (moon)??? Being here for the lst 25 years he shoyld be aware for a long tim ago that status of this country...

 

glegolo

What do you thing the purchasing power of your income now will be in 25 years time? 

1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

They are catered for, an Elite Visa is perfect for them. 

The Elite Visa is perfect for the Thai government.  ????

You have until 11:59pm on the date of your expiry to pass immigration. 

You can only pay to extend once.

You would get 30 days at the land crossing, but I believe you can only do this twice in a calendar year.

23 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

 

Is someone who owns property here really a tourist?

And how often do people buy and sell  a property? You are talking some peanuts that you would be subject to in any country as a visitor, except a damned sight more to pay in any Western Country.

I live here, pretty much 24/7, my local tax burden is pretty small.  I probably pay more to the UK on a single annual flight in and out of the UK , and don't get me started on their sales tax at 20%.

You keep complaining yet ignore the simple fact it is quite easy to live in Thailand. 

I'm not complaining.  I am not in that demographic.

These guys work 1 month on and have 1 month off.  I know two of them that bought condos to stay in for their 1 month off.  They have since sold their condos and do not come to Thailand for their 1 month off anymore.

If there was one demographic that should have been catered for, it was the FIFO workers.  Younger guys with big money to spend, yet, Thailand rejects them, and their money.

My point being, as heavy consumers, the Thai government did receive some tax revenue from this demographic, however, discussing tax revenue in relation to visas is getting a bit off topic. 

I'm sure you are not suggesting someone be issued or declined a visa based on the amount of tax they pay in Thailand. 

Why not pay 1900 baht and extend your 30 day visa exemption stamp? 

48 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I presume they do not return to their passport countries every time to keep their days there down. When I was working outside the UK there was a 1/6th rule. Their time in and out of Thailand is what determines their best visa option, if they come and go one month in, one month out, they are not tourists and Visa waivers do not apply.

 

You seem to have some silly idea that paying airport tax is like paying income tax. I would also like to know what property taxes you refer to, as far as I know Thailand does not have any.  

 

What is acceptable? Ask Thai immigration what they are prepared to accept. What is the problem with these people obtaining an Elite Visa to fit their lifestyle? 

I mentioned airport tax as an example, VAT as well.  Even tourists pay VAT.  There are many indirect taxes that people pay, which contribute to Thailand's economy.  I did not mix it up with income tax. 

Look at the ridiculous import taxes on wine here.  That's a lot of tax and excise being made off western tourists and expats on wine alone, which then as a VAT added.  

In relation to property taxes, what about stamp duty and transfer fees?  Then again, why would anyone consider buying a property now, when you may not be able to live in it due to visa law changess.    

On 4/18/2019 at 12:29 AM, icare999 said:

we let to long term expats and have kerean russian japanese etc etc  tenants in fact in last few years far more non westerners than westerners 

So you let to them, which tends to show they don't buy property.  Like I said, picture the housing market here in the future.

What visas are they on? 

12 hours ago, jacko45k said:

If someone is working outside Thailand on a on/off schedule, and using Thailand as a place to live and avoid paying taxes they certainly aren't tourists. Nor is there any such thing as a retirement visa. Why not obtain an Elite Visa? Long term, multiple entry, no need for bank accounts. Paying for the privilege to live in Thailand and getting the tax advantage should be acceptable. 

Well, the taxation issue muddies the water, somewhat.  Since when has someone's taxation residency determined what Thailand visa they can apply for? 

These people pay tax here, whether it be airport tax, VAT, property taxes etc. 

Taxation aside, how many months (off the rig, or out of the mine, or in between contracts) do you think would be / could be / should be acceptable, for people in these circumstances? 

22 hours ago, moe666 said:

Do not kid yourself Thailand wants real tourist not people living here on tourist visas or VOA. This has actually been a long term battle for them as I can remember rule changes and better enforcement back in 2004 and 5. Of course the people pulling this all said the same thing, they just do not realze how much money we contribute. I guess it just isn't that much for them to worry about. Get the proper visa or go to one of the more welcoming countries at least in your eyes

As I have asked in the past, please define, "living here?" 

What criteria is used when deeming someone as "living here?" 

On 4/22/2019 at 2:43 PM, Jingthing said:

It needs to be imported monthly into a Thai bank account.

 

That's monthly. Around a similar date in the month.

 

One baht under 65K in any month -- FAIL

 

Any month missed and doubled up later -- FAIL

 

Showing back 12 full months except there is an order saying to give leniency this first year, but in practice leniency not always given -- POSSIBLE FAIL

 

Recent report from KRABI immigration office, only embassy letters accepted even if your embassy doesn't give them, otherwise 800K bank method only. May well be OTHER offices as well.  -- POSSIBLE FAIL

 

There have been reports that some offices seeing the imports are demanding to see proof that the money imported is actually PENSION money. In other words, a person might be importing 50K and adding another 15K on top for the monthly import. If proof of pension source demanded, he could only prove 50K, not 65K. --

POSSIBLE FAIL

 

Yet, again, we're in the ONEROUS zone. We're now in NO FLEXIBILITY zone. We're even in some offices totally ignoring the national rules zone (see above).

 

Bottom line -- the surest of the surest things in this radically changed environment is using the 800K in the bank method. The massively changed 800K bank method now requiring seasoning ALL YEAR LONG, before and after, with a permanent NEVER TOUCH lockup of 400K. 

 

Let's not sugarcoat it. 

I think it's fair to say "seasoning" has now become "donating."  ????

Many of the the offshore oil rig guys do 1 month on and 1 month off. They would stay in Thailand for their 1 month off.  They are all but gone now.

Many miners, particularly from Australia, were the same.  They have also been forced out.

Your circumstances are not much different.  

3 hours ago, riclag said:

Best to put inquires first before buying a house or deciding to live in another province. Reminds me of the Banking system here! Every province is is different but the banks have the same name

Mmmm.  I wonder if some people will now move closer to a land boarder, or go "immigration office shopping" and move because of an easier visa experience. 

People using tourist visas are certainly "boarder shopping" now. 

Well, you are certainly letting them get their "cut" out of you.   ????

If I were you, I would find another agent.  ????

@ UJ and BT.

I seemed to remember hearing about it, and thought it might be a possibility for the OP, unless he have overstayed his extension. 

3 hours ago, 2rist said:

I see. Thanks for the reply.

 

But I am really curious. How long does a typical "back to back" visa runner spend outside of Thailand between visas? Does the situation improve if I visited two countries in the month (or so) I spend outside before coming back to Thailand?

A typical "visa run" for another 30 days (and 30 day extension) can be done in 1 day.  Fly out in the morning, fly back in the afternoon. 

A typical "visa run" for a 60 day visa (and a 30 day extension) is around 3 days in duration, but can be done in 2 days, if flights match up. However, with the new visa laws, we are seeing longer waiting times, with the Vientiane Consulate now a 2 week in advance appointment. 

So, instead of lodge passport and application today, pick up tomorrow, a consulate may say lodge today, pick up in 2, or 3 days time. 

On 4/22/2019 at 9:38 AM, jacko45k said:

So where is that money (65k) coming into?

I think the member was talking about not having to put 800k baht (money) into a Thai bank.  Obviously, the 65k baht has to go into a Thai bank. 

Can I ask, why did you chose the one of the most bureaucratic, and most wealthy, and most expensive countries in the region, to do charitable work, with foreign volunteers?