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I don't think tourists are "bemused" when they stand on the steps of their hotel and realize they are flooded in for hours, possibly the day, and have missed their day trip to whatever / wherever. It's only been happening for decades. Truly a World Class Tourists Destination. ????

No, it's not, but I will make it even more simple for you. Name a few businesses here that, if listed on the stock market, you would buy shares in for a short to medium term profit / dividend on your investment.

If you look closely at the photo, you will see the project has aptly been named "Titanic." ????

What about the various tours and activities tourists book? Eg. Nong Nooch. They miss out. Basically a waste of a day/s of their holiday. With the Chinese making up the majority of tourists here, pre covid, high season and low season was "smoothed out" by a steady stream of Chinese, all year around. I am not saying there is no high season / peak season anymore, just that there are a lot of Chinese, and Indian tourists, in the traditional low season, covid aside. Probably the people that can least afford it, are hit the hardest by the flooding here.

What would they know? ???? Now you are just being doom and gloom. ????

What's your definition of "quiet?" Could what you call "quiet" be what others called "thriving" and "rammed" and booming?" ????

There's about five different ways to spell it. Sometimes I spell it different ways myself. ????

I agree with your summation, yet, some members on here describe the hospitality and nightlife scene here as "thriving" and "rammed" and "booming." How can observations and opinions be so far apart?

This was what the member who I quoted said: "On the contrary Soi Buakao was incredibly busy on Friday night as was LK Metro. Bars and GG Bars were busy to rammed as it was at high season years ago." As it reads, that's ALL bars and gogo's, and whilst I was not out that night, I find it hard to believe it was the case, because on my last night out, not that long ago, just walking around and observing, bars were far from "rammed."

Once again, you have failed to answer my simply hypothetical question. I gather because your answer doesn't match your narrative.

They have only had decades, so where is it? It's not so much what tourists need, but what offers tourist a more pleasant holiday. They need infrastructure that makes sense. They need infrastructure that is functional. They need infrastructure that is properly maintained. They need infrastructure that is corruption free. They need infrastructure does doesn't cause disruption to their holiday. They need infrastructure that doesn't see them standing for hours in queues. They need infrastructure that is safe. They need infrastructure that doesn't have to be replaced every year. So a few old buses running between Bangkok airport and Pattaya, and thousands of private taxi journeys, most carrying only one passenger, is fine to transport millions of people each year. Really? I suppose the ones that roll an ankle, stub or break a toe, trip and fall etc, will not be happy. Note the date of the article, 2017. Nothing has changed in 2022. How can they compete with a neighboring country building world record breaking infrastructure, when they can't even build a half decent sidewalk for tourists to walk on?

And the rest of the bars on Soi Baukaew, LK Metro, Tree Town, Pothole etc were "rammed" also, we they?

Thai society is now, what it has always been - Money Number One.

Can you name some bars that were "rammed?"

Not dead, just not back to low season 2019 levels, as some on this forum suggest.

To mention just a few, apart from the obvious things like decent sidewalks, and flood mitigation, I would think a rail line from Bangkok to Pattaya should have already been built, or better still, an airport nearby, but no, every day thousands of individual cars, carrying only one passenger, leaves Bangkok airport for Pattaya. Even nice coach buses leaving Bangkok airport every 30 minutes would be something, but no. How about redirecting the sewage and cleaning up the ocean water? What about some decent high speed ferry boats to Koh Larn. Don't you think they are overdue? None of the above have changed in decades, but the point I am making is, do you see any of the above changing decades into the future? Again, what government infrastructure is there? What major tourism infrastructure projects are Bangkok putting their hands in their pockets and paying for? Once again, what government infrastructure projects that benefit the tourism industry, and tourists, has there been in recent time?

A purchase of a product or service is not an investment. You haven't answered my simple question. Why is that? Could it be you don't see the hospitality industry here, as a whole, as a good investment?

I have never suggested Vietnam is ahead of Thailand. I am suggesting that Vietnam is catching up so quick, that in the future it will overtake Thailand in relation to tourism infrastructure. They are building it bigger and better, with one example of a world record breaking construction, and are still coming in at a cheaper price point to Thailand. You mention a couple of MRT stations, what about the tourist beach areas?

Look up the word "hypothetical" in an online dictionary and educate yourself.

It's a hypothetical question. If all the bars and restaurants in Pattaya were all part of one large company, and that company was listed on the stock exchange, would you invest it? Would you see shares in that company rising in the short to medium term, declining, or holding steady? The reason I ask is because you said. "There are still plenty of business owners who have confidence in Pattaya's long term future." so I thought I would ask you if you have the same confidence as they do? Not to buy an individual bar / restaurant, but in hospitality in general, across Pattaya. Basically, would you put your money where your keyboard is? We all know there has been a lot of new builds, some renovations, and some relocations taking place. Does that mean they will still be here next year? Have they over capitalized? When will tourism return to levels that can make their business viable?

Interesting way of viewing the situation here. If Pattaya's hospitality industry was listed on the stock exchange, would you be buying shares in it, dumping your shares, or sitting back and monitoring?

No point having an extremely large fridge if you have no customers. ????

Yes, it has, and your point is?

It's come a long way since the war. ????

Just named two favorites that closed in another post. According to you, no one, from anywhere, at any time, has had one of their favorite bars or restaurants closed down, since this thread started. ????