Matzzon

1 hour ago, parryhandy said:

If you stay at a hotel or someone's house and THEY don't report you for whatever reason do you understand that until the fine is paid you ain't getting your extension ?

You did realize that I wrote:
 

2 hours ago, Matzzon said:

You are the one that must have control over that your TM 30 has been done.

Right?

A hotel must register you. Keep the rwciept and show Immigration, and you are not responsible for the fine. If you stay at someones house, you are responsible to tell them and see to that they do a registration.

2 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

The first most people hear about these "rules" is when they're hit by fines for something their landlord hasn't done. Maybe they should double the fines for anyone happily excusing such blatant racketeering. 

You just can´t say that you get fines for something your landloard should have been doing. You are the one that must have control over that your TM 30 has been done. If the landlord will not do it, you are the one that must do it. That´s why the option for possessor is on the form.

58 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

There are 3 other problems.

Too many immigration officers do not know the rules.

Too many immigration officers complain about foreigners, you have to remember to even 'wai' them sufficiently respectfully, or be chucked out in 7 days.

Rules are enforced and ignored with such randomness no foreigner can even know what is required. (To ask someone to get to an office they have no idea of the location of, and queue for many hours, to perform a function they should not be responsible for, after traveling half way around the world, within 24 hours, is beyond reason.)

 

I could add more.

 

Ok, noted. Actually I knew there was much more on the list of complaint. Just want to take my hat of, for all of you out there that choose to stay and get extensions in a country you fell don´t want or respect you. You´ve have chosen the hard way to deal with all the complaints during your retirement or married life. I am just baffled over how you really want to put yourself through all this pain and suffering.

11 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

but you could tell that the whole thing was set up to collect 800 Baht bounty. Today they collected at least half a million baht in fines.

Ok, that will mean there was over 624 foreigners (non citizens), that were fined 800 bath for breaking the Immigration Law. In one day? Both you and me as well as the majority of all other reading this forum, knows that is not true. Exactly same over exaggerated information as trying to say it exists a problem, or that there must be a warning.

The only 3 problems that exists is:

Too many foreigners refuse to go by the rules
Too many foreigners complain over everything possible to conplain about.
Apearently foreigners are not warned enough to comply with the law. Maybe they should raise the fines.

8 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I like your thinking. Wouldn't it be lovely if there was a conduit between farang and Thai imm. I think there is some input groups but the frustrating thing is very difficult to voice an opinion here in los. I wonder what would be outcome of peaceful  quiet sit down protest at entry of CW re TM30 nonsense. Rhetorical question.

It would probably lead to an arrest, because you refuse to follow the law.

9 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

it was set up so that everybody who didn't have a TM 30 could fill one out on themselves and very conveniently pay 800 baht for the penalty.   some people walking around with a lease, others were walking around with the ID cards of their landlords but you could tell that the whole thing was set up to collect 800 Baht bounty. Today they collected at least half a million baht in fines.

All this complaining about TM 30. It´s now wide spread knowledge that everybody have to do this, and when you need to do it again. There is also a fine connected to this, that you have to pay if you have not done your TM 30. Nothing strange with the. The place you go to have set it up, for proplr that do not do TM 30 to start follow the law.

Just get your papers in order instead, and you will not have to pay the fine. Very simple.

7 hours ago, Maestro said:

From the opening post of this topic:

 

4675636b596f75, is this the place on the TM.30 form where immigration made you sign?

If so, that is perfectly right. As far as I know, there is no other place to sign a TM 30 if you are not an Immigration Officer.

Yes, that has been the requirement as far as I know. If nothing changed. My last visit was 2 month ago, and everything was like it always been.

42 minutes ago, elviajero said:

555, I admire your resolve, but extensions of stay are not a right. They, by law, are granted completely at the discretion of immigration.

 

Unless the senior officer agreed to waive whatever was being asked for, they would inform you that you’re not getting an extension of stay; and you’d have to leave the country or overstay. A sit-in or dummy-spit isn’t going to help!

 

It would be your problem, not there’s.

I am well aware of that you and everybody else speak about the discretion of Immigration, and also almost always about the discretion of a single specific officer. There is nothing in the good olé book, that states any right for an immigration officer to force you to move to another home or adress to get your extension.

That, my dear friend is something that can be taken much higher, and will result in another movement to inactive post and a possible charge for abuse of power. that, on the other hand, they will not let it evolve into, due to it will also get on Facebook and be a negativ effect on the reputation of the country.
 

Section 38 : The house–master, the owner or the possessor of the residence, or the hotel manager where the alien, receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed, must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office located in that area, the local police official for that area must be notified.

In case the house, dwelling place, or hotel where the alien has stayed under provision of Para.1 is located within the Bangkok area, such notification must be reported to the competent official at the Immigration Division.

Making notification, in reference to the Para 1 and 2 of this Section, must comply with regulations prescribed by the Director General.

As you can clearly see they are defining this as a notification, that can be done by the possessor. of course according to the regulations prescribed by the Director General. So, the leaves all into the regulation prescribed, and that there is a point there that clearly states that a single immigration officer have the right to refuse your extension because that specific person du not get as he/she wants.

That is not called a sit in or dummy-spit, as well as what ever you would like to call it. it´s called looking out for that the rules and regulations is followed. Of course there are always going to be persons in, what they look at as a "powerful position", but even they have to act accordingly. As with airport arrivals on 30 days exempt entry. there they have been given the free rights to refuse entry if you can not provide ticket, money or hotel booking when asked. They have also been given the right to refuse entry if they consider a person living in Thailand on tourist visas.

There is nothing, though, that will give an Immigration Office or a single Officer the right to refuse extension on the basis of a not present landlord.

1 hour ago, stubuzz said:

I tried, but they wanted the owner to come to immigration in person.

If they said that, then I would actually ask to speak with a superior as a first try to a resolution.
 

If that fail, I would inform them about that i was not going to move, and that you have done all that is requested and in your power to do as possessor of the residence. I would also inform them, that it´s their work to find and fine the owner. Not mine.

35 minutes ago, Sunderland said:

That is fine and understood.

Following on from that, what is a foreigner supposed to do when the owner refuses to provide the documentation that immigration requires? Should the possessor (person leasing a property) then report the owner to the police if the immigration officials insist on having the required documentation such as I.D. card, papers showing ownership of the property, etc.? 

If you have a contract, there is no need for more than your passport and rental agreement. Here you are just making it more complicated than it really is.

If you provide rental agreement and your passport as well as explain why it is like it is. 99% of all Immigration Offices will accept your registration of address.

Right, the possessor is to be seen as the one that has the name on the contract. For us that is usually our own name, or a Thai wife or girlfriends name.

That gives you the simple choice of paying the fine yourself, or transfer the fine to your wife or girlfriend. (The second will probably be the same as paying yourself.)

2 hours ago, enkiki said:

I'm going to the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok to get a new passport as it is full (one blank page left) probably tomorrow or Wednesday.

At the same time, my current visa expires this Friday and waiting for my new visa from BOI.

Not want to sound negative or bad. Please do not take it the wrong way. Now it´s to late, but for the next time, if samr might happen, it can be good to look at the proble4m and apply for a new passport 1-2 month before your visa or an extension expires.

I am pretty sure that they will let you keep your old passport if you wish, and then there should not be a problem anyway. Good luck!

On 6/8/2019 at 1:01 PM, grahambkk said:

I called 7-Eleven today and after a long delay being pushed around their switchboard they said I should try again to get my 7-Eleven Card at a shop. It seems the Pink Card does not have the SMART chip that the normal Thai ID-Card has, so they could not enrol me! You would have thought that after the rigmarole getting the Pink Card, they could at least have incorporated a chip in it!!

Sounds to me that you went through all thet problem getting a pink ID card, just for have a chance to get a 7-11 Loyalty Card. Is that one really that important?

The pink ID is for using for identification purposes dealing with Thai banks, authorities and at domestic airports as a few examples.

25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

As many of you know, skin whitening products are very popular in Thailand and openly advertised. But these products are unsafe, both physical and arguably psychologically (what's wrong with being darker, hmmm?). 

 

When shopping, watch out for "stealth" whitening products. You may be shopping for something innocent like moisturizer and see a familiar international brand but not realize that it's a whitening moisturizer tailored for the local market. So read the labels.

 

It's up to the Thais of course to regulate this if they wish. There is the demand but there is demand for a lot of things that are social and physical evils. Also as described in the linked article, making rules can BACKFIRE (again, because the DEMAND will still be there). 

As I do not understand one thing regarding what this OP is about, there is at least one fact that you can´t have been missing. People in cold parts of the world, love the sun and want to be brown, while people in hot countries try to avoid the sun and keep thier skin white.

That´s just how it is. That all products are  unsafe, is probably not right either. Anyway, thanks for a very entertaining and laughable post. 

The best option would be to apply for a tourist visa before travelling. Can get 30 or 60 days, that can be extended another 30 days at immigration.

I just have a wague memory of the need to come up to a certain amount of salury out of working to get granted an extension based on that work permit. I also remember that was a different amount depending on what country you are coming from. Might have something to do with it.

What is “address in Thailand”?

That would be about the place you are staying. In this case your first destination.

39 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

 

It is mostly to save time. If the foreigner lines has a few hundred people and the line for nationals only a few dozen. I always use the Thai gate with my wife. When flying to Australia she uses the Australian gate with me.

 

But electronic gating is changing this.

Ok, that might be a reason. On the other hand, it will only be about an hour or two, so not much to discuss anyway.

37 minutes ago, Oxx said:

 

Having checked the UPS, Fedex and DHL websites, none of them recognises the delivery town/post code (St. Peter Port/GY1 3HH).

 

Don't know if I'd have better luck going to their offices in person.

I think you will.

Sounds totally wacko, but if they return you at least have the documents. I guess your option will be to pay a little bit more and send them by UPS, Fedex or DHL. If it´s important enough, that will say.

What the problem is, that is only something Thailand Post knows.