GrandPapillon

20 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Correct, and the responsibility resides with trump since this whole "stop the steal" b*****t is his idea and he knows very well how uncritical and excitable the ever-trumper lemmings are.

Charge him, try him, convict him and incarcerate him. Lock him up! 

I think it's safe to say that the "election fraud" drama is going to haunt US politics for the next 10 years, Republicans will never forget that episode, and Trump supporters will have the cause they were looking for after Trump is out of the WH.

It took 8 years for the Dems to forget the 2000 "election fraud" with that blissful idiot GW Bush, but I think it will be much longer for the Republicans. Let's hope some bi-partisan reforms will come after those episodes, because the perception of "election fraud" is damaging for democracy. Ignore that perception, even by a few, is what create political chaos.

6 hours ago, impulse said:

 

You know what's funny is that every major media outlet ran investigative stories around the 2018 midterms about how flawed the election machines are.  And that there's no way the vulnerabilities could possibly be fixed before the 2020 elections.  

 

Let's see how Maricopa county goes...

 

how soon we forget, selective memory when the Democrats were all going crazy over the election machines

25 minutes ago, EricTh said:

These officers have nothing better to do but come up with tougher and tougher requirements every year for foreigners.

nothing like taking a new opportunity to further "castrate" foreigners while on their visit in LOS ????

19 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

 

No it wasn't.

 

There was no path to blocking the transfer of power with the invasion of the Capitol. You get that right? It was literally impossible to achieve that outcome with the storming of a building.

 

You would need to have a lot of people that hold power (police & military leaders) on your side to do this. In fact, to achieve the transfer of power, you would NOT need to storm the Capitol at all. 

 

It was a symbolic protest. Just like those on the left earlier in the year. 

it's not clear exactly how many people from "inside" were into the "insurrection"

Right after that, the Pentagon sent a memo to their officers to remind them where the constitution was, so it's possible some "military" insiders were looking for a political "coup" with the storming of the building. A pipe dream, but enough to worry the higher ups in the chain of command. This means that a lot of people are angry at this election, even in the ranks of the military, and that's not a good thing. Pentagon is starting to <deleted> itself that it might not contain its own men.

We could see another surprise on January 20th,

9 hours ago, TSF said:

They just can't accept the fact that tourism isn't going to happen again until the bulk of the world's population has been vaccinated and global covid levels drop significantly so that international borders freely open again and quarantine is no longer necessary. 

and that's going to take the full 2021 to achieve this,

by then, all tourism infrastructure will be destroyed

so 2022 is the earliest,

imagine if we didn't have a vaccine, that could have lasted another 20 years of lockdown

like the black plague in Europe,

9 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Yes, it is embarrassing that the US has sunk so low and become such an international joke.

The US had already sunk low and been the international joke ever since GW Bush stole the election in 2000 and he want into Iraq under a false pretense and lost the war ????

If you look at ancient history, even during the Roman empire, a similar situation arise, and the outcome was 10 years of civil war and the rise of a brutal dictator after 10 years of fighting

is that really what the Democrats want? At least Biden is smart enough to want peace and put everything behind and move on. He might be a boring stiff, but he is a very reasonable person ????

it seems like a few congress men and congress women feared for their life, and this is the main justification for the impeachment

it seems like they couldn't care less about the rest,

16 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Two despicable men, a curse on both of you!

now that's insulting, taking Trump out of the picture with that evil leader ????

what's next? Kim Jung II taking down pics of him with Trump ????

57 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Oh dear, you still don't get it. Ah well, it was worth a try. Anyway, like I said - too many stupid people is the problem, and that ain't going away. I submit the above as evidence 'A' for getting rid of social media altogether. It's pointless anyway.

and like freedom of speech, where do you draw the line for stupidity? is that something that should be made illegal? ????

and what happens when that line gets moved by a few and you find yourself into the stupid group because someone said so ????

Do you see the problem here?

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

 

Ha ha .. so funny, and remarkably uninformed. Please tell me how Twitter’s first Amendment rights have been violated, come on, tell me ?

 

The irony that is devastatingly lost on you, is that Twitter has denied freedom of speech to somebody, albeit, an extremely loose cannon, that they (Twitter) retain all publishing rights and censorship privileges over .

 

You have obviously never read, or at least understood, the first amendment, so for your edification, here is it in brevity

 

“The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is a part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects freedom of speech,  freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom the press, and right to petition”

 

Did you see that little bit about the protection of freedom of speech ….. though not

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ah finally someone with a clue ???? 

a lot of participants in this thread are not interested in freedom of speech, and don't have a problem with censorship ????

5 hours ago, J Town said:

Ensuring 45 can't run in 2024 is one of the driving forces behind this impeachment, but the most important point is punishing deplorable, deadly behavior.

 

deplorable behavior is not an illegal thing, I think you are into wishful thinking here

Trump is going to get away with the impeachment, complete waste of time

and he will run in 2024, let's see what legacy Biden will have then ????

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Here some words of a Republican:

 

 

what a ridiculous performance from the Terminator. What a circus!!!

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Did the GDPR allow private media companies to ban the messages from government leaders?

don't think so, but if they go with a GDPR++, a version of GDPR along with a new legislation that will address EULA and how suspending accounts should be processed, than I hope this will be addressed. Trump just gave material for that question to be raised in future legislation.

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, in Europe they believe that govt should be allowed to censure speech. And it does.

not all speech, hate speech for sure, and I think they want to regulate the process for which censure will be applied. The Twitter way is definitely not an option. Thank you Trump, your sacrifice was helpful ????