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Even Merkel is worried by Twitter unilateral move to ban Trump account, and this is going to feed into the EU idea that social platform needs to be "controlled" somehow

Merkel: Trump's social media ban 'problematic'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-55617421

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has expressed concern at the suspension of Donald Trump from several social media platforms, according to her spokesman.

In a statement, Steffen Seibert said the move was "problematic" because freedom of opinion should be determined by legislatures, not tech bosses.

same here, all the time, intermediate 403 Cloud Flare errors

7 minutes ago, parryhandy said:

Well thanks  I suspected that but it worked fine (both app and website) for most of 2020 and it's the only site I cannot use. Infact I have bought presents from here online from Lazada and had them delivered to the family home with no problems. What reason would they have to restrict access ?

maybe some DoS attacks from Chinese or Indians, so the Thai solution is banned everyone who is not Thailand ????

come on, we all know he lost because he didn't build that wall ????

make no mistake, Assange is a political prisoner, and the UK is complicity of that injustice

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Labour MPs should have voted for Theresa May’s Brexit deal – then the party wouldn’t be in this mess

We can see clearly now: Labour MPs should have voted for May’s deal. We would have left the EU with the guarantee of staying in its customs union. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-corbyn-defeat-support-may-brexit-deal-a9246871.html

They are all guilty, Labour and Tories

indeed, Trump supporters are going to re-group, off the radar, and then it's going to hit everywhere, and we won't know where it's coming from, since they have been silenced, and we can't watch or hear their intentions

Twitter really <deleted> up, this is not banning some obscure group like ISIS, or AQ, they are shutting down the voice of 70+ millions voters

it will backfire eventually, a lot of people are in denials about what's going with Trump voters

3 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

 

Red tape rears it's ugly head -- not only is there more documentation on the exporter side, but also on the importer side... which will inevitably lead to EU customers looking elsewhere for goods that can be sourced in the friction-less EU marketplace.  UK exporters if they want to stay relevent will have to make their product more competitive by making them significantly cheaper (or significantly better quality - but then higher cost higher quality often shrinks the market as well). 

what were they thinking leaving the CU???? silly Maybot tried to impress the Brexiteers in her party for them to accept soft Brexit and she failed on all fronts, and so did BoJo

the funny thing is that those platforms make money on the Trump supporters, they were creating momentum and traffic

what will people talk about without that angry crowd? or without the controversy? there is no use then for Twitter!!!

Twitters feeds on half-truth, scandals, lies, and drama. The platform was built by Jack Dorsey with a promise for absolute free speech and an alternative to exposing the truth. Now, they bow to certain political pressure, and rollover.

They jumped the shark, now we know ????

On 1/8/2021 at 4:57 AM, Virt said:

This is an old interview of the protester with horns and painted face. 

The guy entering the Capitol and had pictures taken inside. 

 

I'm lost for words. 

 

 

it was actually funny ????

12 minutes ago, Opl said:

that's how ISIS and alikes recruit and radicalize jihadists all over the world  - and according to you, let them do for the sake of "free speech"    

that's also true, FB was ISIS main recruiting tool, but guess what, shutting down their account didn't stop ISIS, bombing them did.

it's actually better to "watch" what they are saying publicly and vent their propaganda, than let them go underground and strike when nobody is watching or paying attention because they think everything is "clean" on the surface.

11 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

A warning to bankers about life in Paris

I'm a banker who works for a leading French bank in Paris. I've have been here for over a decade and I feel it is my duty to warn London bankers who think Paris is a dream world of chansons and baguettes that life here is not like that. Personally, I would do almost anything to get out.

When bankers talk about Paris, they complain about taxes. I'm a banker in Paris, but taxes are only one of my many problems here.

France has done a wonderful job of marketing itself. Paris lives off the nostalgic glow of what it was like in the past, but today's Paris is a place of serious social strife with terrible transport links and dreadful pay. There is a lack of social stability which is encouraging educated people to get out. It's not just me. - Survey of professionals in Paris have found that 84% of people want to leave. 

 

Life in Paris is also expensive. Housing here is not cheap. And the pay here is terrible. When I came to Paris (for personal reasons) I took a 30% pay cut. Over a decade later, I am still earning less than I earned overseas before I came to France.  I would find a new job, but it's not easy. - This is not an Anglo Saxon country; the labour market here is almost completely immobile.

https://www.efinancialcareers.co.uk/news/2018/10/paris-lifestyle-warning-bankers

true words here, terrible job market in France, companies are cheap when it comes to paying people, and they have poor management skills and don't reward hard work

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And now that they can't it looks like lots of them are leaving. Which is their right and will hurt the bottom line of these companies.

absolutely, and I think Twitter will eventually pay the price for this. We could see a few millions accounts being banned or self deleted. What's the point to build a platform that promised free speech when it launched, only to see it restrict it to please investors and a certain crowd of people.

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If anything, I imagine the Europeans would make speech more restrictive, not less.

Yes, they are censuring free speech on their service. Just like a Baptist church can forbid a Satanist to address the congregation.

possibly, and I think the EU wants to restrict "fake news" and conspiracy theories. Could explain why those 2 apps are starting to pre-empt such actions to demonstrate that they are taking actions seriously against "fake news" and "lies", hence making the needs for further EU regulations not necessary. The problem is they will force those discussions to go underground, and don't think there will be anybody left to post political opinions on FB or Twitter.

Just now, placeholder said:

I guess either I take your word for their criteria or I don't. And I don't.

As for what kind of speech these apps aim to promote, I guess that's in the service agreement. Does it tally with what you claim it to be? I don't think so.

you obviously aren't very familiar with FB or Twitter, I suggest you go out there and read it, and you will see that Trump was barely an amateur when it comes to fake news and lies

Those platforms are very busy because they attract a lot of people who want to vent their frustrations, and express their "free speech"

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I got news for you. You're the one who raised the issue re Europe.

I raised the issue that Europe was going to change the way we have to agree to EULA, and since most of those corporations are US based, it will probably change the way they operate those EULA. At least in the near future.

As it stands for now, in Free Speech America, FB and Twitter are censuring free speech, that's a simple fact. Some think it's justified, like some would justify that Wikileaks was illegal and not free speech, others think it shouldn't be justified.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

First of all, lots of people get suspended and banned on Twitter. In fact, if Trump's speech was treated the same way as others' he would have been banned long ago.

people get suspended on FB and Twitter for far worse than Trump was saying, please be real. Didn't see Twitter and FB banned everyone who claimed that the election was a fraud, and that COVID was a hoax. If they did, there wouldn't be much anyone posting anything on Twitter and FB at the end.

Again, those 2 can't claim the moral high ground when the job of those 2 apps was to promote all kind of speech, no matter how wrong or fake. Maybe you should read Twitter a little bit more and see what's on there ???? Trump was an amateur ????

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Actually, speech is a lot less free in Europe than in the USA. As an example, Holocaust Denial is a crime in Germany. And hate speech is a crime in many nations in Europe. So please, stop trying to hoodwink us about so called "new rules."

We are talking US here and the US president and a US company,

but yes, limits are far more restrictive in Europe

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Oh. He repeatedly told massive falsehoods about the election, asked his supporters to gather for a "wild" demonstration on the day the Houses of Congress were to ratify the votes of the electoral college etc. Yours is willful ignorance.

 

didn't realize that FB and Twitter was an academic center for truth and facts, because frankly it isn't

it's full of half-truth, lies, and BS, yet 99% get away with it because these are channels to speak and express yourself

Trump has just a bigger audience, and my guess is that Twitter didn't like very much what he had to say. It could have been true or not was not even the point, they just wanted him to shutup because they felt they were being associated in his speech exercise.

Just now, placeholder said:

Really? So a Satanist can walk into any First Baptist Church and demand to speak because that's her right?

they are plenty of crazy preachers in the streets, not in Europe maybe, but in the US, you can find them very easily ????

they have their own church, preach in streets and outside malls etc... nobody cares and pay attention, but they have the ability to express themselves, aka "free speech"

5 hours ago, ThaidDown said:

When you signed up to Facebook, Twitter, TVF and all the other such sites you agreed to their terms and conditions. In doing so you voluntarily agreed to limit your 'freedom of speech'  so they are taking nothing away, you agreed to it,

 

If you want to fully exercise your rights to free speech you need your own site with your own rules.

they force you to agree if you want to use their service. It's actually an interesting question because there are new rules being worked on at the EU level to stop such practices. It has been going for over 20 years, and it's not "technically" legal to force you in such a way. Let's see what the EU will come up with that new regulations against such practice.

Fact remains that supporting such actions by Twitter is hardly a demonstration of supporting "free speech"