GrandPapillon

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Boring caved in...

 

However, the UK looks to have given ground on fishing rights, and secured little succour for the services sector.

Boris did the ultimate sacrifice to save his country, by surrendering, and we should all thank him for it.

We won, the EU won !!! ????

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Watching the press conference, Barnier and Von Der Leyen looking exhausted and not too happy.

 

Sky News downbeat too. Trying to predict and  discredit Johnsons upcoming speech before he even made it.????

 

Great signs for Beexiteers.

 

Merry Christmas everyone. 

 

Congrats to Boris for surrendering on Christmas eve, to avoid chaos for his country next year, great sacrifice and present for his country ????

Boris delivered, and we should all thank him for it. Imagine if it was Maybot, it would have been another extension of 1 year and more pointless negotiation ????

finally, the Brits are leaving for good. We WON !!! ????

6 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The British ran away, the French suffered over 100.000 deads in these few weeks.

and London got bombed to oblivion,

ok Boris surrendering will be announced in a few hours today ????

the deal is done, they have to read proof it and make it official to the press

then we have to wait for the UK parliament approval and the EU27 approval, so we could be in for another 6months battle next year, so all good ????

so Boris finally caved in, what a surprise ????

so where is that deal? ????

Just now, Sujo said:

Why is it best to leave before agreements are made? 

well, it will give both parties a sense of emergency amid the chaos of "No deal"

and will force them to address "priorities" when the UK is running out of food and toilet paper ????

technically, what stops the EU and Boris in continuing their negotiations after Dec 31st? nothing, and maybe the best way to do it ????

technically, what stops the EU and Boris in continuing their negotiations after Dec 31st? nothing, and maybe the best way to do it ????

1 minute ago, robblok said:

I hope they EU puts a high tariff on the English corvid strain to keep it out ????

don't give Barnier new ideas to derail the immediate pending deal, the UK was about to surrender to our demands ????

Boris doing a 180? what a surprise ????

hope for a Brexit deal anytime now ????

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

It's worth pointing out amidst all this outrage about the reported hack of US systems, that we do not know what if indeed anything happened.  We can only rely on the reports of the intelligence community and private companies to tell us what happened and who might have been responsible.  We will never see anything that would constitute evidence and could not evaluate it if we did.  In addition, there will never be any real world result that can definitively be attributed to this hack.  Sort of like the Chelsea Manning or Ed Snowden revelations.  The intelligence community screams about all the damage they did, but we can only take there word for it.

 

For my part, I intend to ignore the whole incident as not worth my time to think about.

absolutely, and let's not forget that the CIA has its own agenda, and is nothing more than a political police for international affairs

it's interesting to see anti-Trump supporters defending the CIA lies, when they were pointing out those some lies when it was  another POTUS

10 hours ago, candide said:

It has been wrong on order! Dick Cheney has been initially quite angry at the CIA because they failed to provide him with the intelligence he expected. Eventually, the CIA complied.

so you are saying the CIA plays politics and can follow an agenda? thanks for proving my point ????

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

All US intelligence agencies are pointing at russia, seems the signature was pretty clear.

There was no hacking in the elections.

 

Just the usual Trump falsehoods, again swallowed by his followers.

US intelligence have been wrong before, ie. Iraq WMD ????

oh no, all the Instagram hotties will be out of selfies material ????

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Whatever happens, the talks will end before 31 st December and either a no agreement or new agreement will take effect from Jan 1st

Boris will surrender, mark my word ????

Why is Boris still negotiating? that's the real question hard core Brexiteers should ask themselves

we all know he will do a 180 on Dec 31st at 10:59pm GMT

36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Trump is pointing at china while pompeo is accusing russia. At the same time Trump is also saying the voting machines may have been hacked by china.

 

https://m.dw.com/en/trump-downplays-massive-us-cyberattack-points-to-china/a-55996519?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf

I mean why not, everything is possible in the cyberworld

any deal yet? or are we getting a new extension ? ????

If Boris doesn't surrender to the French, he will not get his EU deal, and then it's game over for him

Boris: 0, UK: -1, France: 2, EU: 1

10 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

BS. Trump mislead you on purpose.  I reference others as many of us knew the truth and accepted the science.  Not the political propaganda.

 

So, he lied about it, down played masks/social distancing, etc, and yes, that makes him responsible.  He is the president.  The buck stops there.  It's been suggested an early mask mandate, like the one we had here, would have saved over 50,000 lives.  I'm sure that's up to 100,000 lives now.

 

If Trump knew the virus was unbeatable, why did he say otherwise?

 

The Chinese succeed in their shutdown.  They're operating at full steam, the US is barely walking.  So, who did better?

I think you are being easily misinformed with fake news,

the science is not unanimous on covid, as it should (science is about questioning, not unanimous answer),  there is only interpretation of the science by "experts", so they all have different opinions. Trump chose not to follow the "official" one, and he is perfectly entitled to that, he takes the "political" decision, not science or the experts. And he was right. You or others might not agree with his decision, but it's irrelevant.

The Chinese are having a third wave, so is South Korea and Thailand. There is no stopping to it. You can't take officially what the Chinese are saying, they lied for months about their numbers, and now you want to believe them that they have everything "in control"? they don't, hence why nobody can enter or leave the country, unless they have a very good reason.