fredwiggy

That's exactly why prostitution gets a hard rap. Many are forced into slavery by the scum of the earth, for profits, and men are the ones who buy these boys, girls and women. High society men included, as they can afford the higher priced ones. Most of the rest of prostitutes come from damaged childhoods or are forced into it by more lowlifes, their parents who need money. A woman that just gets into it because she wants a lot of money and is damaged isn't the ones a lot of us are against but the children that are involved in the traffickers and pimps lives. Men will buy women because they can't get normal women or can't get younger , prettier women because they are old and either unfit or unattractive. This has been going on for centuries. It's the young innocents that a normal man wants to see protected.

Who in their right minds would argue that hiring prostitutes is protecting your wife? Cheating has happened sine the beginning of man of course, but it doesn't make it right. Morality has gone downhill ever since then and what happens with the breakdown of a family, which cheating does? The breakdown of a family leads to every problem we have on earth caused by humans. Justifying cheating? Ask your wife is she's okay with that, then get back to us.

Guess you didn't like your mom or grandma.

It makes a difference now and in your future, and possibly your children's thinking, and their children. Although in a hundred years, and maybe half that, we might not have any more food to feed the population anyway.

People who have grown accustomed with messiness from childhood, and didn't grow out of that teenage thinking. Some have depression and don't have the energy to clean up. Some are creative people who don't like following rules, especially if those were rules from parents who were on their case constantly.

There's a girl that has a shop near my girlfriend's house that sells booze. Men come from all around, many married, to flirt with this bimbo. She has a child from a Thai, who doesn't help, according to her, and another from a farang who sends money every month. My gf told me the girl said she was getting 80,000 a month from another farang out of country. That's over 2K in USD, and was BS., at least to me and everyone else I've talked to. No one in their right mind would send that much to a girl he's never met, and many people don't even earn that much a month anyway. It's bragging rights to exaggerate here, and doesn't look good anyway. She looks okay, but is near the age where things will start to fall apart, especially since she doesn't exercise and only goes by her genetics, which don't last, to find clueless farangs to leech off. People like this end up all alone, or with a typical overweight farang who will do anything to have a younger girl, even if she's had 2 kids from two men. Nothing lasts forever, especially looks. Some it seems are happy to get money from different compass points and happy if the man never comes anyway, as long as that cash keeps coming. Sadly, there are a lot of idiots that send money to girls they might never meet, in the hope they can bed a Thai girl someday.

Can't have your cake and eat it too, as the saying goes. if she's as good as you say, you stick with her and let the others go, or you let her go to be with someone who will look at her as Number 1 and only. Giving her an STD, which is inevitable eventually, especially here, where it runs rampant, is not something she deserves, and I think you already know that. A man is very lucky when he finds a good hearted woman who he's also attracted to, and is a fool if he lets her down.

Getting something on the side is the biggest deal, and total disrespect for someone you call your wife. I'm thinking that word, wife, means so very little to so many so called men. Men who act like little boys who can't get their way and must boost their ego bedding another woman who's either clueless or a purchase. Women always find out if a man strays, and it can be deadly, especially here. Better to leave and find another girl to play with if you can't be a husband. For Bob, if your wife was attractive to you before, she can hold much of that now if you treat her right, and actually listen to her when she talks. I'm wondering if both of your wives would like it if they read what you post here, or would they go to Home Pro and buy a machete. The first part of your post was right on, but from Getting, you lost your credibility. Sex is a small, yet important part of all relationships, and is a good indicator how the relationship is going. Many men will romance a woman until they get what they want, and then forget what they did to become the woman's partner. Romance never should end, because that's the same woman who made you feel good in the beginning, and a bond happens when a woman gets what she needs, which is mostly a man who loves, listens, cares, protects and honors her. Posting these things isn't honoring and if you treated her as you did in the beginning, she might take better care of herself all the time. People let themselves go when the target is acquired, and that's a huge mistake. Women think the same way. If we let ourselves go, they think we don't care enough about them to keep ourselves looking as good as we can, age notwithstanding. People should age together in the same ways. if you both are a little big, and love to eat heavy foods, the relationship can still be great, because you're getting older and heavier together, as long as the man (usually) doesn't think he's a stud when he's not, and thinks he deserves better. If you're both fit, and that's your thing, it's a great way to spend time together, working out and staying fit for each other. Problems happen when one thinks they can get better, which isn't true if you already have a good partner. the grass isn't greener on the other side. it's just more of the same in a different package. Some people aren't made to be together, and that's usually because they have different future plans. If they think the same, share common interests, are attracted to each other, and don't violate a relationship's rules, they can stay together and be happy forever. Unrealistic expectations ruins most relationships. people thinking it just has to be better out there. Like I said, if you have good, there is no better. Just different, and maybe dangerous.

Saying you know many woman doesn't mean you know them as far as mental issues. And I'm thinking you don't know many women who do this unless you are deep in the bar scene and have been for a long time. A smile doesn't take away pain but masks it. A woman who has sex with two or more men a week is damaged for sure. Why would she engage in such promiscuity? It isn't something to feed their egos like some men do, because no one looks at you as something besides a whore or prostitute, if you're being paid, which is pretty much the same in the long run. Impure and degraded also. Damage happens early in life, as noted earlier, and comes out with risky decisions with regards to multiple partners, drug and alcohol abuse, and increases the chances tenfold of getting an STD. This is a good read.................https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-at-any-age/201304/the-long-term-psychological-effects-of-having-multiple-sex

Good example to speak for yourself. Peaking has nothing to do with satisfying another. Teenager doesn't have the patience and experience, nor desire, to satisfy a woman. It's all about his getting off, leaving the girl wanting more. Plenty of non caring, no foreplay locals don't add up to a man that knows what a woman needs in love making. Again, the woman is left hanging while the man gets off, which by the way, is a good reason a smart woman wants an older man, besides the possibility of being employed or retired. A caring man can satisfy any woman that hasn't had 100 men and doesn't look at sex as love making but, hurry up and get off and leave the money on the night stand. And bald, overweight or unfit has nothing to do with performance. I'm neither if you were thinking that.

Once you get past 60 you're in another territory as far as mental illness is concerned. Unless of course she has been married 35 times, in which case we're getting into another realm of insanity.

If what you were referring to was bar girls, sure, they might have that many in their lives. Normal women no. A woman who has 50-500 men or more has suffered damage way before she started dating.

Isn't your wife Thai? And your daughter half?

You might want to knock a zero or two off those figures, because they are nowhere near right. Most men don't want to be with a woman who's had more than 4-8 partners, and many only a few. Bitterness towards men can start with a bad father figure. It can also come from her first experience, especially if she's the type of person who also listens to other "friends" trash talk men, even if they might be right. When a woman passes 20 men or so, she can't look at any and think seriously about them.. Being with many partners leaves you jaded towards the opposite sex. They aren't looked at as partners as much as people to leach off of, and if that means having sex, so be it. A woman that sleeps around is damaged for one reason or another. If there's no payment, she's looked at as a whore, loose, dirty. If she's paid, she's a prostitute. Females themselves, meaning normal thinking ones, think having more than 12 or so is promiscuous.

No, educating yourself, which means primarily by reading or being taught, never stops.

You can tell from what I write that is hardly the case. I mentioned being a big reader of psychology, for 30 years. that doesn't equate to naive.

Actually the difference isn't that you pay more for one or the other. You always pay. It's called providing. With a bar girl, the difference is you're paying for the sex, and not dating. When you get married, it's providing for either. Your mind has to deal with the fact she's been with so many. If you're okay with that, and truly okay, then it doesn't matter. The fact still remains. She will never see you as a special man, but just one of the many. Sex has a way of doing that to a mind. Sex is supposed to be a gift for two to share. Intimacy is supposed to be given for love. When the world cheapened it as a transaction, there went the normal thinking and looking at women as objects to perform instead of to make love to. Saying bar girls are thousands of times better than a normal western girl is as ridiculous a statement as I've ever heard. What makes a woman better is moral thinking, a nurturer as a mother who doesn't give her children away to be seen many years later, when someone else raised them. Looking at her man as a partner and not an ATM. As a protector and not her pimp, who doesn't give a <deleted> besides what she earns him. I've had maybe a hundred western woman as dates or lovers, and not one asked me for money. Here it's understood that you give them money. Most of us don't mind, as long as it's not true greed and the family doesn't hold us to it because we are with their daughters. Some appreciate it and say thank you when they receive it, no matter the amount. In the US, you are expected to provide after you're married. If you decide to help them before, that's okay, and should be appreciated and not expected. Dating, you share expenses, as women there are more independent. Women are sluts everywhere. That's the ones a normal man avoids, along with the mentally ill. Only brings heartaches. When I dated western women, the sex was always given, as long as the relationship lasted. That's because they look at you as a man, and not an ATM. Here, it's the opposite in many cases.

Latchkey children, when they are old enough to take care of themselves somewhat, are all over, including the USA. Here, the difference is the amount that are raised by grandmas, from birth until that time. Rich people are much of the time too busy to spend time with their kids, which is one reason they shouldn't have them. Money doesn't make for a stable child into adult being. It just spoils by buying their love. Those kinds think the world revolves around them. What happens here, with absent fathers, which is usually the case, is boys growing up to be hoodlums, looking more at their peers for how they should act, ganging up on others 5 against 1, getting involved in gangs and hard drugs, and robbing others, and girls looking for that absent dad in a spineless, unemployed before mentioned loser, getting pregnant, then giving the child to grandma and leaving to work elsewhere, repeating the same patterns they saw growing up., generation after generation.

One, of a few more, real reasons they look to foreigners to marry when they or the man leaves. Their reputation I heard about when I was a few years out of high school.

Winners because they are working an honest job for a living instead of selling their bodies for money. Something no normal woman will do. People choose to marry women who have slept with many, many men. Men they wouldn't look at unless the wallet is opened. That sex is going to get routine eventually, as it always does, and when you have a true friend in a wife, it still has meaning, and continues to bond the two together. With a bar girl, when the man gets into that routine thing, that woman isn't going to look as good as before, because she wasn't a partner and friend from the start, but a purchase. He will get bored, and look elsewhere, because what keeps two together, besides trust, is friendship more than anything else. To her, he was just a john, even if she marries him, he will always be in a long list of many. There are women who sleep with a lot of men that aren't hookers, and their mentality is the same, with the exception of money exchanged. Sex is supposed to be something that bonds two together, and the amount is usually an indication of how the relationship is going, at least until the man hits 70 or so, where it's not as important as before.When that sex loses it's charm, as it inevitably does, what's left in the relationship? If there isn't a friendship, there isn't a bond. There was only a transaction.

That's not a given thing, as over 35% of children here live with grandma, and from all walks of life. More than any other country on earth, much more.The excuse is the man leaves (usually does) and they have to resort to going to the big city to find work. It's an excuse because there are jobs everywhere if they need them. Going to a big city means they have to pay rent, electric and the like instead of staying local and living with family, as many here do anyway. They only earn a couple hundred baht more in the cities (besides being a hooker) and that's where the extra money goes. The doctors who have children can always find a sitter during the day in any city.

Ego rules over common sense and I also see many long haired dogs who must be miserable in this climate.

I agreed with your earlier post to Bob, about the mental illnesses, why some choose hookers over normal women, but here I disagree. Many bar girls are coming from abusive backgrounds where their own relatives did a number on them and it didn't have to do with intelligence. A mental illness, yes, because of the pain they suffered as children, but not because they are dense or lazy. And many are forced into it by sick human traffickers and do it out of fear. Some are pushed by disturbed parents and made to feel guilty if they don't sell their bodies to pay their parents bills. Some very intelligent women become prostitutes because of the former abuses, and stay with it, making their own money and able to afford good cars and condos, not using pimps because they know the outcome, being freelancers and keeping the profits. I've seen this back in the US, where a friend was a friend with a prostitute and told me about her lifestyle. She had a nicer car than anyone we knew, and lived in a nice apartment in NYC.

One of the best predictors of a woman's future is the relationship she has with her parents, and especially her dad. If he's absent, she will always be looking for him in whatever man she meets, and without his guidance, she will find it hard to interact with males. If he was close to her, she will relate better to other males , especially if he taught her how men think and what they want from a woman. Mom can teach her how to be a woman, and also about other men. If her mom was treated well by her dad, she will see this and look for the same when she looks to a relationship with a man. If her dad treated her mom badly, she will lose trust in other men and will carry that into her relationships. As far as schooling, the more education she gets the better chances of her getting a better paying job, which means independence, and not having to rely on a man for his money, but looking for a man to be part of a team together, which will usually lead to a good future. Going through many boyfriends, many of whom are useless drunks, druggies or unemployed, does not work well for her future of course. Getting pregnant by one of these types also doesn't bode well, and is a hindrance to her independence.

People like you who read, and maybe not able to fully comprehend, should try researching more and replying less. I did say I've studied this for over 25 years, meaning with all that I've read about the subject, maybe I picked up some information on it. I never said a person with depression could be cured. There is no cure. People who are contemplating suicide don't get annoyed when others care about them and try to help. People who contemplate suicide are usually suffering from depression. Some are going through a lot of stress and maybe self medicating, either alcohol or drugs, and think the only way out is ending their lives. Some who have depression think there is no way out of the pain. It's a treatable disease, with medication for the symptoms, which with the right medication can help, and therapy, where you can tell a professional your thoughts and how you're feeling, which can give you hope. They feel helpless, and if they are severely depressed, go into a dark place where nothing matters to them. Talking to someone who listens without judgement can help them get to another day, because depression comes and goes, and when they get so far down, they think there's only one way out. Facts are, more than 80% respond to treatment. That doesn't mean the other 20% will kill themselves. A therapist will ask them about their lifestyle, and suggest changes. These can include diet, exercise, removing themselves from a toxic environment if possible, getting enough but not too much sleep, and helping them change their thought patterns. We don't know what this man was thinking, but if he has depression, he might not think there is any help, and contemplated jumping off a roof, at least until he got there and thought about it awhile. In this case, as I and others have replied, this man was seeking attention. If he wanted to kill himself, he wouldn't have waited hours thinking about it. He was supposedly using drugs. This doesn't help with your thinking, especially if he was also suffering from depression. Yes, we are all going to die, but that doesn't mean a person with depression doesn't want to feel better. They just don't know how. If he had extreme stress, and thought taking his life would end it, that would be true, but he wasn't thinking there was a way out of that stress, if only in time. He didn't jump, so he thought, along with seeing others trying to help him, that there was hope. Life is precious, although many are going through hell. There isn't any easy answer and all cases have to be taken individually. You're not going to stop someone who has made their mind up. Sometimes you only get them and extra day or two. Sometimes that's all they need to get to a better place. Yes, I do have a clue. I've lost friends to this disease. Friends who might still be here if they were helped by someone who understood that their symptoms were a warning sign. I wasn't around when my best friend took his own life. Back in 1987, there wasn't near as much information and medications that there is now. After he died, many, including his wife, thought he felt really bad because he was losing his hair. It took awhile, but I remembered he was always sleeping way too much, and always joking around and self medicating. It wasn't out of the ordinary to us, because all of us smoked weed and such, a lot slept late because of hangovers, and we liked his joking. Now I see it as symptoms of depression, but it's too late for him. This man we don't know the story. We can only assume based on what he was doing. If he sees a professional, then they'll know why. He might have large legal problems, lost a family member, bad illnesses, relationship trouble, or something coming up he felt he can't cope with. What I said is that most who contemplate suicide are suffering from depression. Most doesn't mean all.