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Again, since you're either not comprehending what I'm writing or are just too pigheaded to understand your shortcomings. I, and others here you're dismissing, do understand what makes accidents happen, and the stats involved. When I say drivers, I mean the drivers here, as that's what we're talking about when I say I see more infractions here daily then I ever did in my 50 plus years of driving in other countries and almost all of the US states. That's observations I and others here have made. they aren't made up , lies or hallucinations. When you see things happen, they're happening, and it again, has nothing to do with race or racism. Thailand has not seen much change no matter how many times they say they will do something about it, and like another said in that article, "you can't change their attitudes", which is reason one why the accidents are happening, and it all still falls on the DRIVER, attitudes towards obeying the laws, attitudes towards driving recklessly, speeding, driving drunk, arrogance or incompetence. Again, since you missed this before. I asked if you were Thai because you still think it's other things besides the local drivers here who are the number one problem, and that, AGAIN, does not mean all of them, but the attitudes towards everything, including driving, are ingrained here. It doesn't matter what actual percentage it is, but it means a HIGH one, as the stats show. Confirmation bias has no bearing on this. Personal observation means we are actually seeing it happen, not just because we believe it's happening from prior experience. We, and we means I included, are not ignoring data, as you keep missing what I, and others, have been saying. It's a combination of all the factors, but again, it's the driver who is still responsible FIRST for his and other's around his safety. I'm not frustrated, I just see things a lot more clearly than you do. I know why the accidents happen, as I've said many times, but you are still not understanding who is the most responsible for them, and seeing you're repeating the same things over and over again, you never will. You keep bringing race into this, which shows I'm playing chess with a dolt who hasn't the capacity to understand simple logic.

You keep assuming what others do or don't know, and that's your fail. All the data I, or anyone needs, is the stats yearly on accidents and deaths here, and again what you're still missing. It's on the drivers themselves to understand the laws as they receive their driver licenses. They do know the laws and the one example I gave was seeing a parent driving a scooter while there are 4 others on the scooter without helmets, two offenses. Driving recklessly on any roads in any weather conditions is something anyone older than a teenager should know to avoid, or they shouldn't have a license in the first place. I actually do care about road safety. I'm a good driver, who's a safe driver, and I taught my children the same, along with my ex wife and now girlfriend. What I implied asking if you're Thai is that you seem to be sticking up for the drivers here, saying it's more the fault of bad roads, lack of enforcement, bad infrastructure etc, instead of the drivers themselves, so I asked if you were Thai, as a local would be more likely to stick up for them than another. I don't miss anything. You are. I, and probably everyone else here, as seen by their comments, do understand what makes accidents happen, and how they can be avoided. There is an attitude here, and it doesn't just encompass driving, and It seems you don't understand ,much about it, although you claim to be here over 20 years. The difference between us is that you're a close minded individual, that looks at data instead of the whole picture, and are still missing the main point. Drivers are the ones responsible for the safety of themselves and others around them. When I say many drivers here are bad, it means a large percentage, and that can be seen daily on the roads, and if you see it for over 6 years, it adds up to quite a few. Add to this many others observations and comments matching mine, and that ups the percentage higher. It doesn't matter what percentage it actually is. What matters is it's a lot more than any other places I and many others have seen driving over 50 years. I also, along with everyone else who's commented. have discussed solutions, and it's been seen on this forum ever since I joined. You keep missing that point also. Give it a rest. You aren't saying anything we already didn't know.

Spaying and neutering is the only human way to control the "population", which is the problem.Reduce the number of births, normal mortality still happens, population decreases, problems decrease. Dogs that attack humans should be put down, unless the humans are harming the dogs and it's defending itself. Otherwise the normal regulations that happen in the west should be in effect.

Some true but culling dogs isn't the answer. A stepped up spay/neuter program that the government pays for shows responsibility and care. Cambodia suffers from much the same problems, including slaughtering dogs for meat, rabies, over population, dropping dogs off at Pagodas, abuse, neglect, stealing dogs for the meat trade, lack of vet care, and others............https://www.four-paws.org/campaigns-topics/topics/help-for-stray-animals/stray-animal-care-cambodia

I would have thought he would have been arrested at McDonalds.

True, the US should have had health care that is available to everyone, paid for by taxes, instead of giving US money to other countries. Trump might be a weirdo, but he's definitely American gung ho. Hopefully this gung ho attitude doesn't backfire, as the US, like all other countries in Nato, needs other countries for many things, as they also need us.

Dogs, along with children, aren't cared for like they are in the west, which leads to many problems. A puppy or kitten is cute, but when it grows into a dog, it's largely forgotten by many (not all), and left to wander and cause problems, and also to make other puppies, which repeats the cycle.

Who else's fault would this be? You usually are against the pitts, but this was a Thai Bangkaew. Dogs are supposed to be trained not to be vicious. if the kids taunted it, it's partly to blame on them. If not, the owner takes responsibility, like this one did.

I'm thinking you don't understand that a person who assumes they know about other people is showing the intelligence of a teenager . It follows along the lines of this. The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skill in a certain area causes them to overestimate their own competence. You actually think you're smarter than others because they don't agree with your shortcomings.

You assume he doesn't know how to drive in Thailand. he might be driving here for years without an accident, like many other foreigners here. Again, and read this slowly, we aren't saying ALL locals are bad drivers. We are saying many are, which is true, and NOTHING to do with race. We just happen to be in a country where many people drive ignoring the laws and common sense driving, and where we come from the police are hard core against offenses we see here daily. I'm nowhere near the only person who has observed this, as you can see from other's replies, and you keep telling them also the same crapola. Again I ask, are you Thai?

If you actually read and comprehended what I've been saying, it has nothing to do with race. It's observation by myself and many others here, who all seem to understand all about what makes accidents, how they can be prevented, and most importantly, who has primary responsibility in an accident, which seems to avoid your understanding. Others have also said the same things I have, yet you also dismiss them, thinking you're some kind of expert and know more than we do. You don't. Assuming I don't understand what critical thinking is another downfall of yours. I know a lot more than you ever will on what constitutes accidents and why they happen. I've studied psychology for the last 35 plus years, which means I also understand people like you, who assume they know others by just a few posts in an online forum. You have been wrong in every reply to me, yet you still go one, much like a few others here who also think they're smarter. You're not. YOU ARE NOT COMPREHENDING WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. I come to this conclusion because you constantly make errors assuming what I'm saying and miss where I'm saying the same things you are. I proved my point many replies ago, but you're still coming back saying the same exact things. Thailand has a higher accident rate because the police do not enforce the rules already there, as I've said many times. Roads here aren't great, but they're still better than some other countries where there are less accidents. I have no "obsession" with bad drivers. I have seen them for the last 51 years of driving, both here and in other countries and almost all states in the US. What I do see is more ignorance of the laws here, as well as more recklessness in driving, more people cutting others off, more people ignoring the laws they know about (helmet wearing), more people weaving in and out of traffic on motorbikes,, more, much more, trucks overloaded both high and wide, more people driving into oncoming traffic instead of going around someone in front of them in the next lane, more people driving too close to the car in front of them, these along with other things connda mentioned in a few replies before. You are making excuses for local drivers and putting it more on the other factors that constitute what makes accidents happen. It's first, the driver's responsibility, to follow the laws they should have learned about during the test and by watching others older than them driving when they were growing up. Now read these lines a few times and try to see what I'm saying.............Many things make accidents happen, from driver inability or ignorance, to driving after drinking or using drugs, to speeding, following too close to other drivers, weaving in and out of traffic, and not using defensive driving skills, along with arrogance, incompetence and ignorance. Bad roads contribute to accidents because the DRIVER isn't using good sense while driving, either speeding or taking turns too wide or hitting potholes they would have missed if going slower. Bad enforcement of the laws has drivers getting away with BAD driving and if they were ticketed, they MIGHT think twice before committing the same infraction again, but probably not because of ARROGANCE towards laws and disrespect to others on the roads. Don't bother coming back if you think you're going to show me up and think you're smarter by repeating the same ignorant statements about my not knowing what really makes accidents happen. You aren't and I don't even know you, but I know your type, and ignorance is one of their greatest flaws. You are also ignoring others or answering them the same way, thinking you're the expert here and others don't already know what you know. We knew it in high school.

I'm thinking if they all stayed home, many major decisions that affect many lives wouldn't happen. truck drivers delivering food and other things, businessmen going to important meetings, clergymen going to churches or synagogues, store owners going to work, people taking cross country or ocean flights, judges and lawyers going to hang people or rob them blind, restaurant workers, garbage collectors, soldiers going on maneuvers, and politicians making important decisions (I could have left that one out).

I'm sure a lot of smokers are indeed selfish, with the attitude they can smoke wherever they want, and only laws stopped them from doing it anywhere, but I think the majority don't think much about it besides they are addicted and can't stop, although many want to. Addictions aren't easy to break, whether its drugs, alcohol, sugar (food) or cigarettes. I don't think my dad realized how much second hand hurt his family, but with 3 packs a day, he was surely addicted.

I seem to remember you saying you thought all dogs were worthless, or words to that effect, that they were good for nothing, unless it was part from you and part from another. I do know you said it about the pitts.

Having your tax dollars go towards a smokers room is saving your health, as they will be confined to that room and not smoke illegally indoors anywhere else. Smoking will never be banned everywhere as too many like to smoke.

Good ventilation brings smoke out of the rooms before any gets near the door, and a double door could be installed if need be. I'm sure there are workers who smoke who could be designated to clean the rooms. A smoking room is a good alternative to having the smokers fly across the ocean and have a place to smoke. People who aren't addicted to smoking find it hard to understand how it feels, but it's just like any other addiction. Trust me, I hate smoke myself, but they aren't bad because of their habit, unless it affects others.

First you want to ban dogs. Now it's smokers. Who's next, coffee drinkers? My dad died at 79 from smoking 3 packs a day for over 60 years. It was his choice when cancer entered his lungs and I couldn't stand breathing in second hand smoke for the first 17 years of my life but it's their deal. Yes, they are addicted and addiction starts when someone starts most anything, especially the harmful things, but again, it's their choice. Society has made it better for those who don't smoke, by banning from public areas, especially enclosed ones. Having a place where they can smoke without harming others is mandatory, and the rooms when well ventilated, won't affect anyone else. Everyone is addicted to something, although some are bad things to be addicted to. It doesn't mean they are outcasts. It means they should do it where non smokers aren't affected.

If I, and others see it, it IS true. We aren't on mushrooms. A person that drives more then twice the amount of miles than the average driver sees a lot more incidents of driving habits. You seem to think it's racist to say that local drivers, meaning many, and no one said all, have a lot to learn about safe driving. The stats show this also. What you don't understand is that if a country has millions of more drivers on the road , there will be more accidents happening. If you have 10 drivers on one road, and three are bad drivers, you will have some accidents happen. If you have 400 people on the same road and 120 are bad drivers, you will have many more accidents happen. Per capita is viable, and so is this. Who's arguing about data? Data doesn't reduce accident numbers. Live action does, meaning having drivers prepared BEFORE they are given licenses and obeying the laws they were taught. Meaning actual enforcement of those laws, which is the police's job. having roads repaired asap, which is the government's job. No one disputed these things would reduce accidents. You thinking having all this data available will reduce accidents, leaving out the most important facet, the driver. They have decent roads here, with some very bad, not unlike other countries that are developing. They have some enforcement but not near enough. Do you think things will change here? They might, but it will take a very long time because of the one thing you're missing about locals here. Attitude. Others have also pointed this out and you dismiss it. There are a lot more drivers here that are selfish, incompetent, arrogant, lazy and non caring than where we were born. This isn't something dismissed. The attitude towards life itself is very weak here, with a lack of care that I've never seen before. You can't change that with changes in infrastructure , road improvement or better enforcement. You will reduce the amount of accidents if the roads are repaired faster, because people take risks on bad roads that leads to accidents. You can fine the hell out of drivers who break the law, and it will help more because you take money from a poor citizen's pocket, it might make them slow down, and it might not. You can have a stronger test before they get licensed, but it won't change their attitudes towards life itself. If you go onto the road driving with a "who cares who's behind or to the side of me, I'm first anyway", you will have accidents. People get mowed down here every day because they don't use their mirrors, or they don't have any in the first place. If you think road rage doesn't exist here, think again. I see it almost every day, with people cutting others off on scooters and even scooters cutting off trucks, thinking they can somehow compete with them. Stats show they can't. Again, I have not argued against research , data or science. I've agreed that it helps, but there is the one most important thing again. The mind of the driver, who is responsible for all accidents. You can have perfect straight highways, with a policeman enforcing every law immediately, and you will still have accidents, because some people don't give a <deleted>, period. And the amount here that doesn't far exceeds what we've seen in other countries. Nothing to do with being racist. We see these drivers every day. You've been watching this data every year for 20 years, and things have not improved. How long before your data improves things? It will reduce the amount of accidents if you ticket, fine and jail people breaking the law, because some learn when you take their money, especially if they're poor, but you can't change the attitudes.This is a total lack of care, and but one example. The driver wears a helmet, so HE doesn't get a ticket, but doesn't care about the welfare of his children. The police should ticket him for having too many on a scooter, and none wearing helmets.............

We would always have gg to mop our floors. That is, unless he's in Thailand bothering people in rest rooms.

Some men use religion as an excuse because they know how many people feel about it,so brainwashing is easy if you say it's for your God. Sociopath, psychopath, maybe both. Yes, I do think he thought this over instead of doing it impulsively.

Countries that have reduced deaths and major accidents have enforced their rules, fining and jailing people. The people they are fining and jailing are breaking the road rules, bad drivers. Not necessarily incompetent but dangerous, to themselves and others. Fixing roads will make driving safer for all drivers, including the bad ones. Bad roads mean one thing, slow down. If you go slow on a bad road, you aren't going to get into an accident. People who are arrogant or incompetent think they can do whatever they want, which makes accidents a lot more likely. Education of drivers is part on the educators shoulders but mostly on the students. If you use an unsafe vehicle, you're taking a risk, which is on you. If the police see this vehicle and know it's unsafe, it's also on them to fix the problem. Good drivers rarely get into accidents, unless they are hit by bad drivers.

Half of the registered vehicles in Thailand are motorbikes. Then there are the cars and trucks, which far outnumber 32 or 18 wheelers, so I'm not sure where you get that nonsense, especially seeing you've been doing this for 20 years in Thailand. If there are millions more vehicles on the road, Like the US has, statistically there will be more accidents, so the per capita thing doesn't really apply here. Again, for quite a few times here, people here are not quoting what they see because of prejudice or racist reasons. We see what we see, and if you've driven as much as I and others who were professional drivers, you see much more of what goes on than the regular driver, and what we see here is much more in the way o reckless and incompetent driving than back home. It isn't irrelevant if it's what most of us here are seeing. To make changes here you don't need stats but enforcement of rules that are already on the books and rules that the people should know if they are given a license. Stats are already there, even if they are a bit misleading because the total deaths and injuries that reach the hospitals aren't immediately shown, but they are when the yearly amount comes up, as hospitals have top give records of all injuries to the government. They are ignoring for the most part what goes on here, besides saying they are going to do something to stop this. This has been said for decades. They know exactly what they're up against. A huge amount o\f reckless, careless drivers, lack of enforcement of rules, and roads that need repairing faster. I'm sure there are quite a few members here who understand what you've said, and knew this many years before, but it's you that's still missing the main point of who is responsible for these accidents first and foremost.

There are quite a few Christians that don't practice what they preach, in any ways. Trump is a world upon hi,self, and a very strange malignant narcissist, which explains a lot of what he says and does. Putin is also, and a sociopath.

I never said Americans didn't have accents. I lived in the San Antonio area 32 years, and of course there is a drawl down south, and I knew this when I was a child. Boston has their own accent also.