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I can't contact 2co.com they never send the access link, unless I can send an email directly. I'm going to try to find a contact on their website

hi, I cancelled my subscription but I keep being charged despite this message displayed: " Your subscription is not active and you are not due to be billed again. Thank you for being premium" Anyone know how to stop this? their website 2co.com isn't working either. I sent many email to thaifriendly but no answer. I called Kasikorn center to ask to block this automatic renewal but the person that answered said I have to cancel my debit card. I will try to go to the bank directly too. What a hassle.

you need a letter from the mother to pass the immigration with the kids, when I went to France with them they didn't accept just the letter, I had to make a video call and she was waiting on the other side of the immigration line. As you said there are parents pushing their kids to prostitution, her own mother asked her few weeks ago, it was tacit until then. She told her mother to go herself and she answered that she was too old for this. Her mother is selfish too and care only about what she can get out of these stories. She will always side with the richest and most generous boyfriend. This would explain and fit to what you were saying about the behavior of narcissist coming from childhood. She was raised by her grand mother.

Like said fredwiggy: "A private school, bicycles,a park and a swimming pool are not going to do anything but entertain them for awhile. Kids see most everything while they're growing up, and what they can't see they feel" There is a possibility that they get damaged by all these stories and that this happiness comes with a price later in their life. Her son saw how her mother betrayed me, how she brought another man to have sex in the room of his parents to enjoy what I fought for during many years. He saw how she disrespected me in the worst way possible. The day I went to France we all cried at the airport to say goodbye and 5 minutes later her boyfriend was there, taking my car to go to live in my house with her son. He witnessed everything. She said that he wanted an iphone 13 and got it from her boyfriend this day, so he is probably not that innocent too. I suppose that he will never trust any woman and never invest himself without becoming completely paranoid. You did well to don't have kids, there is a lot of happiness having kids but if people are not responsible, strong emotionally and financially then they better to avoid it. It was selfish and irresponsible on my part to want to get this dream. Now I'm there, maybe I deserve everything that is happening to me today but I don't want to allow myself to be that selfish, I still love them very much and I will sacrifice part of my life but not everything this time.

I got them in France for 2 months, everyone told me to stay there and think about them but I was horribly depressed there. My career is here, I can make much more money and have a much more interesting job than in France because I build myself abroad. In France I can be a labor at best and then there is the lifestyle, easy sex and freedom. She won't let me go to France again, she won't let our kids go, she prefers to give them to their grand mother and see them sometimes. She told me she went to Bangkok to work as a prostitute in sukhumvit soi 11 but she felt bad and came back, it means that she was still ready to let our first daughter behind. By the way she was telling everyone before, that prostitution was my fault and she was doing it for me and the family, one time I told her that if she was doing it after leaving me it means she is doing it for herself and not for me, she was furious I said this, she could not accept this truth. She wants to believe that prostitution is because she is a victim and not because that's a lazy and easy choice. I think she would let me take care of them the time for her to find a Farang ready to accept them and who has all the money she wants. As long as the money is flowing she would be very nice, taking care of the family, having good time with the kids etc, It's hard to explain, she is doing quite well, she is nice at home, it's just that she won't hesitate a second to betray and dump her partner when it benefits her. I probably can't bring them to France but I can take care of them while she can't or doesn't want to and at this moment divorce and ask for guardianship, I would probably have to stay in good term for this but I want so much to tell her what kind of piece of <deleted> she is.

That's very interesting, indeed she was quite introvert when I met her 10 years ago, much less today but she has a lot of the narcissist traits. It's very sneaky because as she is a bit introvert it doesn't show at all. Yesterday her boyfriend told her that he was very surprised and that he was wrong from the beginning about who she is. Obviously to trick him she presented herself as a very shy and innocent person and she told me that he thought she was weak but now that she shows her teeth he doesn't understand. She is extremely proud of herself when breaking-up, it seems very important to her to be the one leaving despite saying she doesn't care. Her boyfriend is exactly like her but she can't recognize herself in this mirror. Yesterday when she told me that he was shocked to discover that she is not sweet and innocent I explained that he has to be seriously dumb to don't understand who she was despite starting with her when she was taking the land and everything her husband paid to go with him. He is another kind of narcissist, he really believed that she could be a monster with her own family but a wonderful girlfriend to him. Surprisingly she didn't react to my explanation about her betraying me and so being completely unreliable to anyone. I have to be careful because if she feels that I'm too aware of who she is then she might accelerate her plan of betrayal. I suppose her next step would be to find "food" around our area as it's full of old farang. Yesterday she wore a short with a sexy top, her son told her that he didn't want to wear clothes like her and she told him that she just wanted to feel comfortable. I do enjoy seeing her sexy but I don't think she was sexy just for me. I will need anyway some excuses to dump her in future, should not be difficult. I'm reading more about covert narcissist and found this representing her quite well: "The covert narcissist certainly craves importance and thirsts for admiration but it can look different to those around them. They might give back-handed compliments, or purposefully minimize their accomplishments or talents so that people will offer them reassurance of how talented they are." She fake humility very well. She keeps saying that she is not good for this for that, then saying the opposite a bit later. She describes herself as someone very shy, very humble but who can become the worst when provoked. Apparently her boyfriend is finished, someone in his family got beaten up by loan shark, could be his wife as she has not been seen since few days. His whole family are scammers and owe money to a lot of people, his coconut business was running very well and they were making a lot of money but it seems that the business is dead and now they keep spending the same way but without any income. I really hope she loses her land and everything else, it doesn't matter I paid all, she showed me that none is "our" Sometimes I try to send hidden messages like by telling stories about other couples where one betrayed the other the exact same way, or that's when problems come that you discover the real face of your partner. I think she knows my game but ignore it most of the time or just don't see herself as bad. She never say sorry for what she did, she just said she knows that what she did is bad. She never ask for forgiveness but she did say quickly thank you to forgive her. I think you are right when you say they only get worse. She will be good as long as she doesn't have any opportunity or too scared to lose more than what she could get but she will keep trying. She will never have any second thought about betraying me when it's in her benefit. I don't think it will benefit her, because I'm the only one who had a reason to invest myself with her, for our family, for our kids but hopefully with time she will lose her beauty and probably everything she stole from me. It will become more and more difficult for her to find a compassionate idiot ready to give a lot of money. One day our kids will know who she really is too and what she did, her son doesn't mind because he is craving for love, her love too, that's one good thing out of this story, she started to care about him after he left her to go back with his father, who doesn't care about him at all. Today she follows and advise him on his relationship with his girlfriend. I will condition myself and keep seeing myself in a future without her, invest the minimum with her. I'm going to read more about covert narcissist, thank you very much for the advice, there is obviously only way to protect yourself from people like this and it's by keeping them away. It's important to understand that they can't change or become better with time. I will try to speak about those behaviors in her boyfriend to see if she can see her own behavior. I can even make a story about someone else and explain about covert narcissist and how they keep betraying and using people they love. And funnily she asked her boyfriend how can you say you love me and doing this to me, if love he would never do this and 2 minutes later she told me she loves me without thinking that she betrayed me so many times and in the same way she got con by her boyfriend.

You are right and I don't think it's really an act of altruism to make kids. I thought to give them the life I had always dream but this world future is uncertain and who knows what they are going to face. Despite everything my kids are very happy, I'm lucky here because I made a lot of mistakes and I'm weak emotionally. Right now in this new compound we are living they seems even happier, it's safe, there is a nice swimming pool, they can play in the park and large empty roads to ride their bicycles. Their brother is there and he cares a lot for his sisters. I paid a private school, got a lot of motivation for this because the free school was a disaster, now I understand even more why all those ladies working in bar are who they are, they learn from a very young age how normal it is to steal, con and use sex and love to get money. Having kids is actually quite selfish, you can't be sure to give happiness but people are ready to gamble lives for a family dream. Your advice is welcome but it comes a bit late, I made 2 kids on my own and my "wife" got one before that I'm taking care since 9 years, he was 6 when he came.

I was ready to stop and I asked her if she would accept to don't meet him physically anymore, she accepted and said that she wanted to completely cut with him as she gives up on the hope of saving our land. After I asked her if she was planning to play this game with him for 4 years until the end of his car credit, she realized that it would be horribly difficult to hold on that much time. She told me that she was going to lose her land and our family so she is ready to forget the land. Look likes it's even worse for her than I thought. The guy is an idiot but he is sneaky, he played this game with many others, probably his last game though because now he is driving on motorbike, hiding the infamous pick-up and he has debt everywhere. She is dealing with some kind of a criminal car reseller lady, this lady buy car with credit on it and sell them to other criminals. She told me that her lawyer friend managed to help the niece of her boyfriend to get back a car that she sold to some burmese Yaba sellers after they got caught. Her boyfriend contacted this reseller few days ago and borrowed 20 000 bahts saying it was for my "wife" (his girlfriend) as it is well known they are together she believed it and she is now asking the money to my wife. Her mother who is very poor but quite greedy lend 30 000 to her boyfriend, her brother did the same, obviously now they are blaming her as she pushed them to lend money in the hope to get a good return. Really wish them all to go to jail. My "wife" isn't better than any of them. You are right about the STD, I have to get tested for HIV too and I should wear condom every time with her from now on. Even she is not moving yet from the house or even she really stopped with him, I can't know for sure what she is doing and who has been in her dirty c... It looks very beautiful today, I rent a very nice house and all the family is happy, I paid for private school too. She is very sweet and full of love now but I know that if anything happen then her mask would drop off and she would show her very selfish true self. It's interesting to see how unfair she finds the situation, how angry she is after this guy doing exactly what she did to me. She scammed me and then he scammed her but she still feels she is a victim. She dumped me like I was a piece of garbage and she then gambled away our house and our car in the hope to get very rich with her boyfriend. She thought to dump him once rich enough. I won't spend my life with this girl, I protect myself now, enjoy what I can, I won't invest anything with her, I pay 10 000 per month for her and I take care of everything for the family. I will try to make myself stronger, pass certificates for my job and make money later, the day I get a good salary then I will separate, maybe before depending of what will happen. It's funny to witness how after saying to each other the day she left me how a bad guy I was and how perfect her boyfriend was compare to me, how much now she hates him, telling him that she will kill all his family, included his 6 year old fat nephew etc she is threatening him with anything she can, lawyer, death etc. One year ago she was telling me that one day she forgot at a restaurant they went, her wallet with 3000 bahts inside and she was scared to tell him because her husband, me, would have blame her for this. So he told her that stressing was useless and he just turn the car around and nicely went to get back the wallet, after this they happily had sex in a beautiful hotel. Wonderful, treated her like a princess... seems that today they have a very different view on "stress" I really wish that she would learn from this, that she could see herself and change but I know very well that she is like she is right now because her other choices don't look that good and if she was having the opportunity she would do it again. Conclusion of this story, whatever I buy, it's in my name and I don't give anything in advance. She tried to steal everything and she lost all she had, somnamna...

It's obviously very unhealthy but it's this or a profound loneliness. We just moved in a new house I rent, 300 km away, very nice area, she brought back all my stuff, tools, bed, TV, wash machine etc. She is doing quite good at home, we share well the housework, she is lovely, sweet, interesting and everything looks very good. She looks very happy and seems she wants a happy family life too. The problem is that she doesn't hesitate to betray me, to cuckold me, to let another man disrespect me when it arranges her. Apparently, her boyfriend bought a car on credit and she put the land I bought for our family as collateral. Now the "rich" boyfriend that she thought to milk has nothing and the finance are running after him. She has also her own credit and this time she put the car I bought for our family as collateral again for a credit to invest with her boyfriend, he is supposed to pay half of it every month. She thought he was rich and she thought to invest in his business and to become herself very rich. I think this guy is in love with her and used her greediness to get her. She keeps having sex with him and promising him that she loves him to make sure he pays his part of the credit, also probably she keeps him as a back up as she is not sure about me. My daughter told me that she heard her conversation with her boyfriend and he told her to come back to her house (the one I built myself) and asked her if she would come back if he buys everything back, bed, wash machine, sofa, tv and pay for the school kids and she said yes. She told him she prefers him etc but she can’t come back if no money. She doesn’t know that I know this. Maybe she simply manipulates him and promise whatever he wants for him to pay. So the situation here is that she hates him for making her lose money but in same time she uses him when she needs company or help. If she and her boyfriend don’t pay she cans lose this: - Her car (that I bought for our family but that she uses with her boyfriend) for a credit of 200 000 and 270 000 to pay (remain 200 000) car worth around the same. - Her land with house and furnitures (that I bought for our family and kids future) for a credit of 500 000 for her boyfriend to buy a second hand pick-up. She told me that if he doesn’t pay then they can take her land and if the finance can’t find his pick-up because he found a way to sell it then he would go to jail. I’m a bit depressed, I want this family life so much and we have everything, my salary is a bit low for comfort thought. I told her to stop with him and she said she wants too but she has to clear her problems (could take years…) In few days she will go to see him and pick up her son, she will ask her boyfriend to drive her car to our new house because she can’t drive that far and through Bangkok. It’s very weird to imagine this. My all family in the car I bought with her boyfriend driving them. It makes me sick. I hesitate to tell her to stay there but I also hope that this would be the last step and we could have our family life. I would need to accept that she isn’t loyal and that if anything happen to me she would be with him immediately. Also I just paid for the school kids and if I break up now then it’s a mess for them again. I’m shaking and lose the will to fight but if I don’t I’m finished. I’m depressed and very stressed too, if I lose my job then I lose everything too. If only she could be honest and make better choice in her life. As long as I accept all without blaming her then she is very lovely and cuddles me 100 times a day, I can feel her “love” but if I complain about anything or make her feel bad for what she did and do to me then she is out. She gets depressed and sick over there but I think it’s because nothing goes like she wants with her family and boyfriend, they are fighting each-others when the money is not flowing. I’m trying to see thing with a different angle, imagine her as a nanny, after all I gives her only 10 000 a month and I pay everything for our family. I’m thinking that I can go to see short times ladies, that I’m free but it’s not the life I want. Somehow, it’s a better situation, I was investing all my money in our family, to the last penny. I was building a house that I thought mine but from where I could get kicked anytime, I didn’t own anything and I didn’t know it. Today I pay my car monthly, the house is rented but the contract is mine, she can’t kick me out and bring her boyfriend to live in it. When I do the garden I’m not doing it for the comfort of her mother brother and boyfriend but for myself and my children. If she didn’t try to <deleted> me over with this guy then I would have keep making her stronger, keep slaving myself to build her future but not mine. Today I know that I can’t trust her. I would be very happy that she loses this land because anyway it will never go to my children. The less power she has the sweeter she is. I wanted her to be independent to be respected I didn’t think that she would use this to disrespect me and blackmail me. Also I got her on audio record saying that my mother and me bought everything, land, house, car, I made her repeat several times, she was focused on her boyfriend story when she spoke about it so she genuinely admitted all, she didn’t care. I suppose that if I can find a lawyer with some skills he could use this. I should go to get advises but when I called few firms, they all look like they don’t give a <deleted> and have no will to make any efforts but are certainly there to take money.

Right now she is living with him in our family house that I had to give up. She has our youngest daughter and I have the oldest. I'm making a deal for her to come to live all together where I work, our two daughters she and me. I will give her 10 000 a month and she can work to get better income. It's a test and anyway for me it's temporary, as I said it's for me to have time to get better and separate in better condition, at least with money to pay lawyers. Now if by miracle she was becoming a good person then why not continue. She will leave her boyfriend in 3 weeks or one month but I know they will keep contacting each others and she will probably use him when she go back to her house to take care or resource herself. Condom will become my best friend from now on. You are right about feelings and lust, that's a weakness but I thought it was a good way to enjoy life before, I'm quite physical so these are the kind of things I enjoy. It's quite clear now that I would never be happy as long as I'm with her. It will probably be even harder after, maybe a year or two being depressed and then start to be alive again.

I'm not doing anything for her really, I despise her, I have good moments with her but they feel more and more fake. She got punished by her own decisions, she didn't find happiness in any of the choices she made, our family suffered from her selfishness and she is learning nothing. Well it's not completely true, she is learning more and more how to manipulate men. I think she got SLE lupus, that could be her Karma, messing up her body and health, she doesn't deserve her beauty and it's a weapon she should not carry. Since she left for this guy I sometimes hate her more than anything and sometimes believe she is not that bad or could change but I understand today that's her nature and she won't ever change. I stay with her because I would not have enough for lawyers, my school kids and then paying child support which would actually be money for her and her boyfriend or family and nothing for my kids. I will seduce her enough for her to be satisfied and let me time to strengthen myself by finding a better job. The day my job is ok then I will explain her nicely that she could probably find more happiness with a rich old farang man, old because they are usually quiet or wiser and their emotion are less invasive, rich because she needs a lot to cover her family need and her own, farang because they accept much more, man well it doesn't matter she likes both... I believe that if I approach in a very nice manner she would not mind and would accept a good deal, very favorable for her, she loves her kids it's just that she is making even worse decisions than mines. Hopefully in a year or two, this way I could get a divorce where she could keep the house and everything as I would have enough to make my life. I could probably even get custody of one of my daughter as long as she feels we are in very good term. That's my plan but it changes quite often. I'm worried that she feels how fake I am, she is much better than me at this game or she accept it less than I do.

Congratulation

Very good plan, what about your current girlfriend? are you going to marry her and bring her back home too?

So your story is quite similar to mine then, except the way you handled it

I'm will try to stay because the alternative is probably worse and technically I believe it's not yet the right time to leave. I have to work a lot on my feelings, emotion and also prepare a budget. I understand that she will never change, it's her nature to betray and lie, even when she thinks she loves.

Very interesting, you are right on everything and obviously would be a very wise choice but it's without counting on emotion and feelings. Was her boyfriend a thai guy? how long did you stay with your ex wife? how old is your daughter? That's personal questions, I hope you are not offended about me asking, please skip them if it's too personal.

I'm 44 and working out too but I lost a lot of weight with depression, 12% fat, nothing bad but I don't feel as powerful as before. I have always been doing a lot of sport, muay thai mainly and gym. Congratulation for keeping working out at your age, I hope to be the same in 20 years. Thanks for all your answers by the way. I think it's difficult for people to accept or understand that others can have their reasons to do what they are doing, sometimes it's plain stupidity like the other guy explain with gif of the missing brain but sometimes it's a bit deeper than this. Even with my annoying text wall answers I don't think I could manage to explain or justify my feelings. Thanks anyway for your experience, many interesting points

The whole thing or just the segment he is pointing with his stick?

I said she is like my best friend, I thought it obvious that she is not, she is a kid, what I meant is that we are always together, I bring her to the water park, to the beach, to playground, read book for her, play and dance with her for her to keep feel some sort of family happiness. My "wife" was coming almost every week end for family trip so she has this too. It's not ideal, especially since she just spent a year in free school and I will do everything I can to avoid this, they really have a low education, the girls at 10 are already looking at men like wallet, my partner told me that she heard them speaking about having relation with older man for money etc, with all the details, I just can't picture it but I believe her by the way they behave. So really anything but free school for my daughter. You are right about the danger of her having sex elsewhere, condom should do the trick, have to say right now I'm not very tempted, I will do more to let her feel we are a happy couple. I'm not completely sure in which direction I should head but I will try to see how things are when she is there and how the kids feel, at least this way I'm with them. I can always have a gik when I get a better salary and eventually we will divorce, hopefully when the kids are old enough to choose with who they want to stay. It's a try anyway. She won't let me come back to France and honestly I don't want to, it would be just perfect for them, we spent two month there at my father house in a beautiful village surrounded by mountain, everything there is wonderful and the kids were very happy in their school, even they could not speak French. The problem is that I'm completely depressed there, there is job but nothing compare to the career I can still make here, I could take care of garden or clean the street or work in mc donald but I really have a much better position and prospect where I am now. She is not interested in her boyfriend, she is using him. It's even possible than in her twisted mind she thought to have good time with him and make a lot of money then come back with me. It's very strange, I feel like I'm her lover and if I wasn't so annoying about her lying and having relation with other men I would be perfect for her. However when she started with this guy and during the 2 first months she thought he was perfect, she was in love with him, fascinated by his power and money until the feeling wore off and then the money too. There is a lot of rebound in this story, when she thought she loves him she dump me like a <deleted> then when she realizes she wasn't in love she took me as a lover but she was obnoxious because she thought she was very rich. I dumped her and got a girlfriend for 2 months and my "wife" became jealous because I was starting to remake my life, new car, traveling everywhere so she blackmailed me to get back our daughter. Her jealousy was not out of love but because I got a very beautiful girlfriend and was enjoying nice week ends while she had to entertain a boyfriend that she despises (maybe not all the time). I wasn't in love with my girlfriend and still had feeling for my "wife" we came back together and I told her it would work as long she stopped with this guy too. I did stop with my girlfriend but she casually saw her boyfriend to get some extra income as she was in debt, note that she didn't ask me one bahts during all this time. I'm not sure what she feels for me, at each break up (so many) she stop eating and sleeping, usually we come back together after a week and she is a bit slimmer (not in a healthy way). The first few years I was proud she was my wife, she is good looking and you feel the envy in the eyes of others, something light but appreciable. Today I'm ashamed, when others look at her I'm just thinking that if they wanted and had the money she would go with them, even for a short time if they pay very well. She would simply think that as long as I don't know what's wrong? So I'm not yet in position to remake my life, I invested everything I had in her, I have absolutely nothing except a car that I bought by credit. Even my job is not completely stable for now but I have good prospect. Maybe I should just stop seeing her as my wife and just consider her as a partner. She keeps enjoying calling me my husband... What a weird weird story, I would never have imagined it could be mine.

After talking with few lawyers I feel that I'm not in a position to bargain much. So I call my "wife" don't know how to call her now and ask her to come to live all together where I work. She doesn't like city, she loves the freedom of country side, I supposed she wanted to dump me and replace me with another man, rich man and live a happy life in the house I build over the 10 years together, she thought she got lucky because her boyfriend lives few km away but he tricked her for money, he probably can pay her decently but she doesn't like his style. They are sleeping and <deleted>..ing in my bed, using my stuff, enjoying the comfortable house I made for my kids. Their is no rooms for my kids because she gave it to her mother, brother and niece, I was keeping them away before for some reasons, the brother is ok though. She will stay 3 more weeks with him in our house and then move in with me here. She is not too hot to move here as she doesn't like city so I have to find a quiet place, I told her she could come back to our house (her house now) anytime she wanted to resource herself, maybe get in touch with her boyfriend to get some extra income but she could easily do this kind of stuff around here, she spoke long hours about how disgust she is by her boyfriend, small guy, can't get hard, bad breath, stupid, annoying etc etc Since I left this house she feels it's her home, she can make a mess of everything, she is free and I made a wonderful garden, she has power there, she has freedom too and since she took the car I bought for the family for herself and her boyfriend it gives her even more freedom. So it's a bit of a challenge to make her feel good in a rented house, I will try my best for her to feel it's a bit her place too, let her trash stuff around, I like to organize and it would <deleted> her off. The week end we will move outside anyway and even during the week I will bring them to the park or some nice places. She was not a prostitute when I met her, she started this to blackmail me 3 years ago, so around 6 years after the beginning of our relation. She did it 2 years but now I think if we are not together she will be more into sponsors suckers kind of guys. She found some "good hearted" guys who were sending around 30 000 just to see her sometimes on the webcam, it's pathetic on every level. I really wanted a happy functional family, with me working hard to provide for my family and make my wife comfortable and happy but each times she was using the money for her mother's credit it was making me bitter, I was working far from home and didn't have life, I was faithful and bored. I fuc... up quite well, a lot of bad choices, misplaced trust in my wife etc. My two daughters are very happy, they are very active girls, I'm still living with my oldest (7 year old) she is like my best friend too, the younger one is my twins but she is kind of autistic, she doesn't control her emotion very well, when she loves or hate it's to the death, which is super cute because she is a tiny thing. We would need to bring her to the doctor, I thought my wife would do it but she was busy with her "businesses". When we are all together we are very happy, we really have wonderful family time, my "wife" is not annoying, she is quiet but active in same time, we can speak about everything, sex is great, she likes to travel like me and she is in awe every time we discover something new. There is a long list of things I love in her but she is selfish and she is compulsive liar, unfaithful when it benefits her too. I will have to close my eyes on this, to don't show it makes me bitter, maybe when I'm rich enough I can find a gik and it would be much easier to accept what she is doing or did. It's not the life I'm dreaming of but there is worse. I'm kind of her slave in a way now and to get my freedom I better to work hard and maybe in my 50's I will be free and hopefully no condom will break. I'm not proud of who I am but I have to pay for my mistakes too, I trusted her, I invested in our family while giving her power and control, I thought it would give her confidence and that to be trusted would make her more honest. It gave her confidence indeed, the confidence to take it all for herself. I manage to give a quite stable life to my daughters for 6 years at least, they were in private school, free and very happy. Since she decided to go with this guy, I have lost at least 200 000 precious bahts and she managed to get a debt of 200 000 bahts that I will have to cover. Our daughters were in public school as I have absolutely no money since this story. I'm working and I'm going to pay for private school here, cover her debt and rent a decent house. I suppose I can still make them happy and myself will find some sunny times but no honor was gain in the process. Sorry for this long life story but who know maybe someone will find it interesting.

Hi everyone, I already posted on this subject but I would like more information. My thai wife left me one year ago for a rich thai guy, I took my kids and went to France for two months, came back, she took one of our 2 kids with her. It turn out that her boyfriend wasn't that rich and she made a credit with our car to invest in his business, she doesn't like him for other reason than money, she came back with me (never asked me one baht however) but she kept a link with him to try to get back the money he took her. I could not accept that she had sex for money with him again so I decided to break up. We were married at Bang Rak The land was bought 2 months before marriage The house was build part by part over few years after the marriage Construction has to be in her name as I have never seen any document Chanot is in her name I don’t have proof of payment unless my bank can get a payment history from 10 years ago We have 2 children together, aged 6 and 7 year old, one born 4 months before marriage and the other after marriage All the birth certificates and documents for the children are with me My name is on both birth certificates, also we corrected my name few months ago on the birth certificate of my 7 year old. I bought a car in her name too She has never work except at a massage parlor for 2 years one year ago, she was performing prostitution there and I was aware of it. I was worried that if I was leaving for work she would bring a man in our house and I was right. She made a credit using our car to give money to her boyfriend to invest in his business She married her boyfriend at the temple, I have all the pictures that she posted on facebook. Unofficial marriage. She now live in our house with her boyfriend her mother, brother, niece and one of our daughter I contacted a lawyer who told me that she could pretend that the land was for sin sod and last week she told me that I answer that she could make up any lie it would not matter but it does matter... so the lawyer told me that she would probably keep everything and that I would still have to pay for child support. I'm making around 60 000 per month good month 65 000 really bad one 55 000, how much could she asked me for alimony and child support? The money would go for her mother, brother and boyfriend who are all enjoying the house it took me 10 years to build. Make me so depressed and I need to work.

Thank you very much for your message, it does help to don't feel alone, well I could guess there was a lot of similar case like mine, it's a classic here. I would have expect this from any prostitute but when I met her she looked innocent and somehow she was, she had bad intention but she didn't know yet how, she was 25 and now she is 34 and she got colder. I don't think she would try to bleed me dry, she is not drinking or smoking, she is not crazy on spending, she is greedy but she has little needs. She is very proud and she can have so many other preys and there is a lot of suckers out there so I'm really not worried about her trying to get money from me from now on. She will have to pay me 10 000 every month and I will be able to sue her if she doesn't respect the divorce agreement. I heard that it does hold weight legally, once she gives me custody of my daughter I'm legally the guardian but it would be better if it was confirmed by a lawyer, the thing is that I don't know how to just get advise and pay for advise only not the full very expensive package especially when there is nothing to do yet. If not for my daughter she would not even know or care if I'm still alive. I have some ideas of what her future could be but it can be so many things from now on. She has health issues, thyroid, cyst and heart but with proper medication she should be fine, she spoke about going to Krabi for vacation with all her family but few months before this she told me that if it was not working with her new boyfriend/sponsor she would go to Phuket as she has a friend that make party on boat, dancing and entertaining men so I suppose she goes to prospect there. She opened a plastic shop but I believe that most of her money come from her boyfriend and maybe their relation is not that good now and she needs more money. Only information I could get from now on are lies or half truth. What I believe is that if she becomes rich through prostitution or rich sponsor she would have power and could be threatening, as long as she is poor she will leave me be busy running after men or trying her luck with some businesses. The story is that she found a rich thai guy 6 months ago and decided to get the great life with him, I left for France with my 2 daughters because I could not live with her knowing she was living with another man during the day and sometimes come to sleep at home at night. I took all my family a week travel to get her back and she said she was going to leave him and we would all go to France but needed time to close everything, clear the house etc. So I let her 60 000 to wait me and to don't prostitute herself, at the airport we cried, cuddled said goodbye and as soon as I left her boyfriend came to the airport and took her with my car and they went to live in my house, <deleted> in my bed and use all my stuff. She brought all her family, brother, mother, niece to live in my house. She let the security camera open, probably intentionally as they make sound and it broke my heart. I spent 2 months in France crying like a baby being horribly depressed. She went to marry him at the temple 1 or 2 month after knowing him, completely illegal but I didn't know anything about the law and thought farangs had no rights. I came back to Thailand and I seduced her, have very romantic times but I was suffering like hell because she was with her boyfriend in same time, she disrespected me on every level, at one point she even came full of the sperm of her boyfriend... The guy is all she didn't like before, smoking 1m60 tall full of tattoo but he promised her a pajero, she said that he was not handsome but a fantastic lover and that she was <deleted> with him everyday several times per day and in every hotel in the region that he made her discover many things etc etc, it was horribly hurtful. Anyway she fell pregnant and after test it was mine, turn out that his sperm was very weak, she made me believe that he didn't care it wasn't his because he had a good heart but shortly after this they had a break up. She was suppose to come back with me but I was slowly getting my mind back and she lost the child, maybe she killed him I don't know. After seeing her showing her ass on tik tok I told her that it would not work between us and that I wanted to stop, she didn't give a <deleted>. She was blackmailing me about suing me because I had a girlfriend and to take the kids back until I gather evidences and one day told her that I would be the one suing her and after this she changed. We got an agreement that I mention before, now we have to sign it, very stressful but once it's done I'm saved. I'm playing friend and she became polite since 2 weeks but I'm not sure she is buying it, maybe enough to sign the contract. Sorry for the long story, there is many other unbelievable things. Your story seems very tough too and there is a lot of similarities and I noticed that also that they are cunning but not smart. She lies a lot, in a same sentence she can say 2 opposite things. She tried to turn my girlfriend against me at the beginning, she asked to call her to speak about my daughters and then spoke only about me for an hour, she told her she bought the land, house and car and started to make many stories with so many different versions that my girlfriend understood immediately with who she was dealing. As you said they are good at gathering sympathy but only on very shallow relation, once it get deeper people start to understand, especially if there is shared interest. So for how long you were together before to break up? Your son is 6 year old now? Did you buy a new land and house? new wife? I'm 43 year old and I try to convince myself that it's not old and I can just redo it all, have a new family, buy a land in my daughter name or maybe just rent a nice house, make a beautiful room for her, find a good school and every week end go on a trip, see the region or travel. Making friend and find new passion would be great.

Hi, I'm in the process of divorcing, wasting a lot of time preparing all the documents. I had to translate my passport and a tiny sara e was short instead of long on my third name... So I had to do it all over. Now I have to change the birth certificate name of my daughter, my second and third name are missing on it. I had to do like 20 trips and countless of appointments and I feel that I'm close to get my divorce settlement signed. The divorce settlement is 350 000 bahts payable 10 000 per month from my ex wife and most important I get the guardianship of my daughter. My ex wife keeps the land, house and car and guardianship of my other daughter. Once I get the guardianship I wish to be able to cut her off my life and forget all the horrible things she did to me. Furthermore I don't want my daughter to be taught how to steal, have sex and lie to men to get money, sell love and sex to get money and a bunch of other things... I would like to make her evolve in a better world, as I lost everything I put her in free school for this year but I'm working and making money and next year I will put her in private school. My daughter is very happy and she loves my girlfriend, every week end I bring them to travel to make them happy. My daughter didn't ask her mother once, she doesn't speak about it. My ex wife 8 years ago abandon her 5 year old son to meet me, I told her I will be happy to adopt him and 8 months later she kidnapped him. She didn't care much about him all those years and I was the one interested in his education. Now comes my question, what would happen if she decides to kidnap my daughter at her school? Knowing that I'm the guardian. Could I call the police and get back my daughter or would I have to contact a lawyer, sue her then after a long procedure getting her back?

I won't use a lawyer we will have an uncontested divorce but why it would be a problem to use the same lawyer? and do I need a lawyer to buy a land? how much it usually cost? I would like to know what are the possibilities before to pay for a lawyer.

So when I buy the land and change the chanot name I don't need my ex wife to be involve. I met one owner who is ready to sell by credit but he said that the mother of my daughter has to sign "documents" too, even I'm the legal guardian.