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He did serve time...almost 16 months for it. I think I am honestly more concerned with it then he is.
I know that the crimes he committed were felonies and I read somewhere on here that felonies will not allow you into another country..now my search begins.
I wrote the American Citizens service thingy at the us travel website and they suggested writing to the Thai Consulate in New York. They also said that there is a section that asks if a crime has been committed on the Visa application
Thanks for the website link..I actually found that one and it is mostly directed if you want to be a missionary over in Thailand and what "rules" you have to follow.
Just to be sure, make sure you include his last name, first name, any middle names or aliases, passport number (if known), social security no (if known), date of birth, place of birth and any other relevant information such as where and when his case was tried, court case number etc, in your inquiry to the Thai consulate.
SEnse of humour - nice one
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To cut a long story short in reply to the question that started this thread the answer is YES - I started off running my company as a sole proprietership. It then grew into a different animal and I restructed things as a Ltd company.
While the company now turns over in excess of Bhat 20mill per year, my accountant is looking into the advantages of returning back to sole proprietership (dont ask me why - I am just a farmer who trusts his accountant - the same guy for over 12 years) - so yes, it is still possible.
If you are seriously interested in prusueing the subject I will dig up the fine detail for you - but perhaps it agood idea youput your situation into some context so that if I do comment, my comments are relivant to your particular circumstances.
Tim
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I'm interested to know if any husband has requested that his own cluture be respected also, and ask the father of the bride to pay for the wedding?
If not, and you are being "asked" for sin sot, why not?
If the family was living in the USA and the wedding was in the USA the I would ask the brides father to pay for the wedding as that is tradition in the US. But we are living in Thailand and must respect Thai culture.
Pardon my ignorance folks - but as having never been married to a Caucasian/European/ USA girl - is it tradition that the brides parents pay for marrige in Western culture?
I never knew that - if that is the case - but yes, this is Thailand and when in Rome always a good idea to do as the Romans do.
No snappy comments about how/why I should know this - I don't - can some one explain to me.
Tim
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Appreciated - door always open - just drop me a PM beforehand.
Tim
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............and if you want a real tank show - guns balzing, live firing and all - second Thursday of most months it takes palce at the Caverly Barracks which are located on the right hand side of the motorway just before you get to the Saraburi flyover (as if you are heading towards Korat from bangkok)
Ther are a series of concreate stands - like a football stadium where you can watch from - just go over the bridge and prceed for about 2 k's - just as you pass the Kasemrad hospital do a u-turn and come back towards Bkk, at the bridge don't go back over, tak e the slip road and keep to the left - that will take you right up to the tanks and armoured cars - and you can sit on the stands and watch.
Tim
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personally i think you are on a wind up, havent got a thai gf and are a 25 stone ugly bloke who sits behind his PC all day trying to invent a persona.
that's how you come across!!!!
i'd like to hear 'your' opinions on life, the universe and everything after your startlingly incisive views on sin sot.
I used to think Donz was a bit of a twerp, but after seeing more of his posts and learning to understand his sense of humour, he seems like a straight forward decent guy. I think it is very difficult to judge people from fora. I also think we are subliminally influenced by avatars....
You refering to me??
Not in the least Tim, I have very much enjoyed your posts in Isaan forum where you have very generously shared your obviously extensive knowledge of farming. If you lack an avatar, I consider that a mild impediment indeed
I was merely broadening the coverage of my post, and commenting that when we try to "know" the person behind the post, we not only read what they say but are also influenced by their avatars. For example, Guesthouse comes across as slightly cool, partly because of his "Humph" avatar.
My particular comments (in defence of Donz) were aimed at LeftCross's... well... left cross....
Fair and accpted - thanxs for your comment re the Isaan thread.
My front door is always open to any genuine forum member - should they wish meet me and see I am who I say am.
And should anyone think I take a high horse attitude - nothing could be further from the truth - I to shagged my way around Phuket and Bangkok and was up to all sorts of tricks - and got hel_l from my wife and mother in law when I was caught on the job (the old boy couldnt stop laughing) - so have been their done that.
Have been here longer than most, my dad worked for the Red Cross at Chula hospital for many years from 56 - 83 and my grandfather before him from 29 - 48, so the Thai connection covers 3 generations. I think I can say quite honestly I have fair insight into how things work here. But there are subjects on the forum I no nothing about and wouldnt dare comment on.
Thanxs mate
Tim
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Sin Sot as explained to me by a village elder in the early 1980’s. He was explaining the history behind Sin Sot and referred to it as “Mothers Milk”.
In farming communities it was a way for the husband to show his appreciation to the bride’s parents for her upbringing. “Mothers Milk”
Once married the bride would move from her family home to live and work for her husband and his family.
Additionally (possibly the real reason) the Sin Sot was a form of compensation to the bride’s family for the loss of a valued farm labourer.
The amount of Sin Sot was an agreement reached between the husband and the brides parents. The negotiations included input from the husband’s family.
The amount of Sin Sot varied depending on factors that included the bride’s family status, education, skills and potential earning ability.
Well said FARMA - nice to read a constructive explination contains a lot of accuracy in it.
The other sin sot thread went off off the rails - there is a lot of genuine interest in this subject, lets make an effort to keep this thread on the subject and not go the way the other sin sot thread went.
Tim
Tim
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The Sin Sot has been around for years....
Originally it was used to allow two kids who liked each other the freedom to have sex....once the sin sot was paid then it was ok...saved the face of the girl and her family...originally it was only a small amount or a gift. It was not unusual for a girl to receive many such payments before she settled down with the one guy. It was also a way for the guy to say "I like you and want to be with you" if the girl and her family accepted the gift then the guy and girl could get their rocks off, if the gift was refused then nothing happened. There was a special container that used for this little ritual and the gift or money was placed in the container and presented to the family. If the sin sot was not offered and the two young people got together anyway...it brought shame on the girls family...
I have attended a few "marriages" in the Issan area where if the guy wanted to sleep with a girl then a quickie wedding was performed, sin sot presented and the couple spent the night together, one girl had been "married" 5 times in this manner.
Unfortunately and moreso now that many farangs have come to Thailand to marry the girls, the idea of sin sot has spiralled out of control...the girls family now see it as akin to winning the lottery with a lot of farangs paying more than a lottery win for the honour of marrying the Thai girl. Good News is that a lot of girls are now turning their backs on being a "paid for" bride.
Yes - have heard that before, its one of many of the rumours that have grown up around the issue of generations - but its not the case.
Read my posting at the top of the page - that puts the subject into its correct context. It is not a "get of jail" card or an "excuse" clause for irrant behaviour.
Tim
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Take her down to Gov House - acording to the European newsfeeds about an hour back there are still tanks there
Tim
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personally i think you are on a wind up, havent got a thai gf and are a 25 stone ugly bloke who sits behind his PC all day trying to invent a persona.
that's how you come across!!!!
i'd like to hear 'your' opinions on life, the universe and everything after your startlingly incisive views on sin sot.
I used to think Donz was a bit of a twerp, but after seeing more of his posts and learning to understand his sense of humour, he seems like a straight forward decent guy. I think it is very difficult to judge people from fora. I also think we are subliminally influenced by avatars....
You refering to me??
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My point is ... not only might it be asked for .... it is oft required.Let me put that another way, if practised as it should be, it is NEVER asked for - and if it is, then something is wrong right from the start - it is gesture, made to the parents in-law by the husband to be entirely of his own free will.Oh yes, you quite right - it is often required or insisted on and causes a lot of heartache. Many a poor groom (excuse pun) has found himself in that situation. Some parents relent, and I know of cases where others have not relented - and it can lead to all sorts of problems between all concerned if an ammicable solution cannot be arrived at.
In so far as that occurs with ex-pats, their partner has usually worked out before what he can offord, and the price will be set accordinly. And there have been cases where the girl has disagreed with what her parents have asked for and has done a runner with the guy, and their are cases in which the girl has supported her parents, and the guy has had to beg borrow or steal - or just knock the plan on the head.
Each case has its own set of unique circumstances, I accept - my only commentswere in respect of how it was/is practised in its correct context.
Tim
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I'm interested to know if any husband has requested that his own cluture be respected also, and ask the father of the bride to pay for the wedding?
If not, and you are being "asked" for sin sot, why not?
When sin sot was "invented" for lack of a better word, I can assure you it did not take into consideration the marrige pratcises of other cultures - as you say your self "his own culture".
I have no issue with anyone who feels that it is justifiable to be asked aginst the background of this or that other circumstance.. fair comment.
Let me just explain where I am coming from on this subject: In the mid '90's was ordained as a Bhuddist monk - I spent 18 months in robes (and if you doubt what I say I still have my "Yellow Pages" - ask any monk for his "Yellow Pages" he will know exactly what you are talking about - its a take off from the Yellow Pages telephone book, and is the monk's id book which is issued to all professed monks). I studied this matter at Mahachulalongkorn Buddhist University. No , I dont have any formal qualification on the subject and I am not a speciliast, but I do know and understand the traditions and how sin sot should be practised - as it was a subject my Ajarn asked me to learn about to discuss with the farang males who often asked him the same question, and who went to him for guidance (his english was bad and he was always often busy doing other things).
So I have a bit more than the man in the street insight understanding of the subject.
Tim
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Maize ... I would disagree. Many parents WILL insist upon it .... But likely not the people the average farang would meet. It may be a rather high amount at that! <It will ALL go back to the daughter and her hubby .. sometimes immediately and sometimes after a set amount of time.>
It is oft used to make sure that the prospective husband is able to care for the daughter etc.
............ which is exactly what I said i.e "it is an expression on the side of the husband which demonstrates his committment" - I emphasized that point.
If the parents are insisting on it, I am sorry, but that is not right - anyway, step back and take a look at that situation: there is something not quite right if the parents are asking for the groom to put his money where his mouth is. Yes - I know it is often asked for - as it should be practised, no it should not be asked for.
The upcountry rural poor practices of sinsot I can only comment on what I have read. The millions of baht that I saw at a wedding of a CH/Th man and his Th wife was amazing. The fact that the girl is the only daughter of a Landholding family in a province just north of BKK was the determining factor. Since he was Ch/Th she moved to live with his family, a very wealthy merchant family. However, the wife's family insisted that they build a house in the family compound for the daughter too. <Social insurance at its best!>
I think the cirucmstances you describe that particular case as having taken place in, put the whole matter into its perspective.
Tim
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For the benfit of all who didnt pick up on the other Sin Sot thread - read on:
Firstly, it is never a condition and no approving parent (rich or poor) cares two hoots about it.
Let me put that another way, if practised as it should be, it is NEVER asked for - and if it is, then something is wrong right from the start - it is gesture, made to the parents in-law by the husband to be entirely of his own free will.
It is about an expression on the husband to be's side to accept his role of care in the family - and that is a very traditional Thai (and South East Asian) practise (in reply to the forum member who questioned why in was so totaly oppisite to "dowry" as practised in places like India and Pakistan).
Yes, it is practised less and less nowadays, because the family structures are less and less what they were in the old days, but a lot of families do still practise it.
Where sinsot is practised honestly in Thai society, you will find that the parents in law often return most of it back with the other hand to the new couple as a wedding present - who suddenly find that the poor old dad (who hadnt a penny to his name before you married his daughter) has purchased them some land for them to build a house on - or it is spent in some other relivant context: to take the often poor abused buffulo (and the excuses which this animal provides), a rice farmer would buy his new son-in-law a "new" buffalo to pull the plough (if the one the son inlaw had was old).
And yes - fact it is practised more in the rural communities, where traditions have hung on a bit longer, but its practise has been across the whole Thai social status strata, and it is not limited to certain incoime brackets - so please dont hang onto the "poverty" comparison I have made - the key words are "relivant to the circumstances".
The point I am making is that it is traditonaly reciprocated by the parents in law - so if you are concerned and trying to establish whether or not the sinsot was conducted in its correct context - look out for some sort of reciprocation, because by and large it is returned to the couple in some way or another that would be of help and relivant to the circumstances.
That is sinsot in its correct place.
It is not about money - its about gesture, tradition, committement and a whole set of values related to you becoming part of that family. It is a serious matter which has no value if it becomes an "exchange of goods" as outlined in my first posting on this subject.
It has no legal value in the sense that it is part of Thai marrige law.
In reply to the forum member who raised the question why sinsot as a subject had been related so much to bar-girls - well the fact of the matter is that most instances of sinsot practised between farangs and Thais takes place between guys who marry bargirls - not all cases, but the majority - and this is the same group in which most marriages between ex-pat males and Thai girls take place (again , not all but most) - and it is against that background that most sinsot takes place out of its correct and proper context and/or role.
I hope that helps to put the subject into perspective.
Tim
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Thats correct - when you check out at the airport just stump up the cash - I know someone who overstayed 9 years. His logic was that the fine he had to pay was a max of Baht 25K (is it 20K or 25K - can someone clear that up), and reackoned that actually he had saved a ton of money, versus all the 30 day stamp runs and the cost of doing those runs over 9 years.
And that is exactly what has happened - he got a bit of a lecture, paid the fine and a little bit more (which was greatfully accepted - as always), and that was the end of the subject.
No blacklist threats, no deported stamp - nothing like that - just pay up and go.
Different story though if you get nicked in the street for some or other reason - you may well find your slef at the detention centre for a few days............... and pleasent by all accounts.
Tim
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I didn't pay. My wife is lo-so..As for the remark about rich hi-so's never touching farang's. Come on. That's sounds like the type of thing Lonely Planet routinely writes in its super-out-of-date publications. You know along with warnings about the guys with razor blades that slice open you pockets..Ever seen that - in the last ten years?
Sure some thai-chinese girl in BKK from a hi-so family is not going to marry Lars the postal worker from Munich but she could very well hitch up with a professional farang with a good job in a Thai company (and maybe hi-so background himself). As for Sin Sot - I agree with those that say it varies family to family.
If we weren't on word-watch here right now, I'd remind you that some of the highest hi-so's have married farangs in the past.
As for the "Phuket hooker" remark. You ought to know by now that Thais rarely say exactly what they mean..it's always round-about. So maybe the Thai father-in-law was thinking more about the person marrying his daughter when he said that? "Think about it - I'll leave it there."
(Hey all . . speaking about word-watch ..as per the earlier warnings (the Website are responsible for offensive postings that make suggestions about bad public "morals etc").
............ and if you took the trouble to read the rest of my psotings on this subject you will see that I put my comment into a context that acknowldeges the point you make in your last comment - all be it not in the judgemental manner you like to portray it.
Tim
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Can I just throw my bit in hear please - if you have arunning perscription for expensive drugs/medication, you will find that purchasing them from a government hospital is A LOT CHEAPER than geting them from a private hospital.
I was bitten by a cobra about 10 years ago which has left me with badly messed up left leg. The inititial treatment was in a private hospital, and I started out for the first month or so buying the medicine (which I am now stuck with for ever) from a private hospital - untill I leanr't that a Baht18 000 per month bill could be reduced to Baht 3400 per month buying exactly the same medication from a government hospital.
Tim
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There is a 2nd SIN SOT thread under Genral Topics - its about 5 or 6 subjects down from this thread - if you read the very 2nd posting I submitted to a forum members question, I think it goes a long way to putting the subject into context.
Tim
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I take xception top Burnetts comment:
"The proliferation of foreign-owned or rented apartments can make child sexual abusers harder to detect, as instead of abusing children in bars or hotels, they are now able to do so in their own homes"
Just what is he saying - that abuse takes place more often in foreign - owner/rented apartments than it does in Thai apartments, or that foreigners are more lilkely to be guilty of child sexual abuse in Thailand than the Thais themsleves are behind closed Thai doors - just what is the guy saying?
Of course it happens - and yes, its behind closed doors, but statisticaly, I dont think it would impact one way or the other on its occurance whether or not the apartment is Thai or foreign owned, or occupied by a Thai or foreigner.
Sorry Mr. Burnett, unless I am missing something in what you have said, I think the parameters youhave used to catagorise the incidents of child sexual abuse are misleading.
Tim
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yes, i was very lucky to marry into a great family with a great wife .... baby due in six weeks too
i only explain what happened to me as means of information for other members to evaluate. obviously other people's circumstances will be different.
i just don't want people to think
a) sin sot has to be paid as it is a cast iron tradition
if you marry a relatively well-off girl then sin sot isn't always an issuec) just because a thai person tells you something that benefits them, it doesnt make it true!
Well said - drop me a PM, always like to get to know other ex-pats who are now "Thai". Iam not in the bright lights enviroment but very much out in the sticks in Loei where I have lived on my farm with wife and kids since the early 1990's
Tim
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Thailands biggest brandnames - difficult to say. It comes down to what each person is thinking of the sector that they are most exposed to (i.e. clothing brands, food brands, car brands ect ect) , but across the board, the most primnent brandname in Thailand is TOYOTA, followed verly closely by COKE and PEPSI COLA.
Then comes SONY and NIKE ............. and after that, well I guess we could debate that all nite.
OH - that is based in AC NIELSEN market research - I have a farng friend who works for them and have just phoned him. AC NIELSEN should know.
Tim
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Crickey - what a question!
In my case its because I have been farming for the last 20 years in Thailand - and Maize is my main crop (to feed my dairy and beef cattle) - so I called myself Maizefarmer.
It was on the spur of the moment - hadnt given it much thought - should have used "Milkman"
Tim
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LEFTCROSS
Thats understood - and I also understand why they said that.
Firstly, you are right the practise is more prevalent in the North East as it came into Thailand from Loas and Cambodia many years ago.
Secondly, if you look at the other sinsot thread (also under Genral Topics) I added some notes in reply to another forum memebrs question, which basically explained that it has its role to play in the appropriate circumstances, whereas in other siutations it has no relivance at all. In your case your parents in law were saying that it was a non-issue for them. Good for them - sounds like they are real cool bunch of folk who you will get on well with.
I wish you well
Tim
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JDINASIA - you 100% correct.
Tim
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