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19 hours ago, partington said:

Every single statement you make here is absolutely incorrect, a notable achievment.

 

1. Many scientists do not say it is 'impossible' to make a vaccine for coronavirus because of its mutation. They understand this and point out that a strategy to design a successful vaccine should take account of possible mutations in the virus, and may be more difficult.

 

2. The 'more a virus mutates, the less dangerous it is" is absolute nonsense. Many viruses mutate to become more virulent, and more contagious. This is probably how Covid-19 crossed the species barrier in the first place.

 

3. Moderna do have a vaccine, and never said they did not have a vaccine. The market is a popularity contest and fools buy early in the hope of getting rich. More prudent analysis of the Moderna statement about the vaccine reveals that the results were too preliminary to say whether the vaccine would actually prevent infection, and produce a lasting protection. Every biological scientist in the world knew that from the start, but they are smarter than market analysts.

 

Definetely your 1. Answer is not correct. Everybody can make vaccine will it be effective? Thats another question 

Thats part of Telegraphs interview:

But the Government has cautioned that an effective coronavirus vaccine may never be found.

In a foreword to the Government’s strategy to ease lockdown, the Prime Minister said that the “only feasible long-term solution” to end the coronavirus pandemic is the creation of an effective vaccine or treatment, but warned this was not an inevitability.

The Government's chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, said the development of an effective vaccine could never be guaranteed.

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-news-us-uk-trials/

So yes zhey are making tens of millions of doses, are you willing to take a risk of something that will have side effects but it is not sire it will serve a purpose? Go on, be my guest lets see what happens after 1 year with vaccine. They cannot catch even which flu will go out every year so this season flu vaccine was only 29% effective, so yes suddenly in on year they will make Vaccine effective for Covid but they couldnt make effective vaccine for seasonal flus for years. 

About your second claim is also false, how you think people get herd immunity, because virus mutates and gets weaker the more people are infected is losing his strength i really dont want troll more post here but if you would took some time and read about it you would know it. Good luck. 

I understand people want back to Thailand but if someone ask me... Right now people who are in Europe or USA why you dont enjoy this time when is warm weather until september or beggining of october in there?Anyway now is rainy season and mostly the weather is not so good plus musqito season is out already. As far as i am concerned i will spend summer in Europe try to make booking for around sept, oct when things calm down... Just my 5 cents. 

There will be no vaccine... Many scientists say that is impossible to make a vaccine for Coronavirus because of its mutation, but luckily the more virus mutates the less dangerous is... So until "vaccine" will be produced the virus will be not more than just seasonal flu... Is obvious whay they are claiming this look what happened in USA, stocks of Moderna rose up to 20% when they said they have vaccine, while later they said they were wrong no vaccine yet, stocks slashed for 10% also other major stocks in Wall Street went down, i dont have to think twice what is happening on Thai stock market when they put out claims same this... 

3 minutes ago, tso310 said:

I saw a report on Sky News at the end of March showing a Thai 90 min response test. I assume that this fell into the not accurate category. Judging by the number of people tested in Thailand it looks lie it was quietly dropped.

There is no 90% test kit availible, maybe CCP have it, but as i dont see Chinese as inovators more like copy paste but with cheap materials, i really dont see they developed a 90% reliable test kits, why they are stealing researches from Vaccines and many other...they were playing themselve with lab and look what happened with the world.. CCP is nothing like cheap material copy paste... 

Even if i would be in risk group, there is no way i m taking Flu Vaccine. 130.000 people over 65 years old were vaccinated in Lombardy and look what happened, disaster, yes Thailand have small cases because pneumonia outbreaks yet to come out and after when people start dying from pneumonia the Covid-19 cases will skyrocket. 

If China have stopped outbreak why they will test 10 million people in 10 days? For can manipulate woth numbers again and say we dont have any case? If they test 10 milion people i am sure there will be a lot positive false or real but there will be alot... Unless China doesnt manipulate woth numbers again, Thailand should wait until China put official numbers from that tests before they do any steps but i guess CDC Thailand wasnt aware of that news... And yes Korea had 35  new cases after they opened nightclubs so where is that number in last 2 weeks less than 20...

On 5/14/2020 at 1:05 PM, unamazedloso said:

Who cares what Thaksin thinks? Isn't he a criminal like his sister? Typical greedy nature.

Which politician is honest in LOS? 

Lockdown again or Wear a mask like Dark vader is more safely. Until the tests will be at least 90% reliable not 50% i dont believe any of that bull sh**t second wave, third wave... If they would want to do right way they would put more effort to make more reliable test so people no need to test 3 or 4 time before they are "positive" 

It should happened, open everything star the economy unless you dont want more younger people will die because of unemployment and hunger than so called Covid-19...what a waste of time...what will happened when so called 2nd wave arrives will they close all again? I dont think so... Can they afford again to ruin Tourism and Economy for they can payout trillions of baht? No country cannot afford it anymore to quarantine whole cities and shutting down borders. 

10 hours ago, Tounge Thaied said:

I suspect the thai "authorities" have figured out that people are not dying in the massive numbers that was touted by the media and was attempted to be predicted by computer models. The "experts" got it all wrong. And, I suspect that Thai doctors were not "incentivized" financially or pressured/advised to diagnosis Covid19 based upon signs/symptoms alone. Countries like Italy and America are diagnosing Covid19 erroneously, based on symptoms alone. I'll let you come to your own conclusion why that is. I see that Thailand has handled this whole "pandemic" very well. They did not over react in the beginning, made reasonable lock down rules, based upon the fear models by the WHO and are now realizing this is not the emergency we were all led to believe it is or was going to be. IMO, other countries have high numbers because they are creating those numbers. We now know that Covid19 is not as deadly as even the Flu. And I see it as a good thing that everyone doesn't get tested. Those tests do no test for the specific SARSCoV2 virus. There are too many false positives and negatives on that test. The test is nearly completely unreliable. Just read the fine print in the image... way too many caveats for this test to provide any fundamental basis of diagnostic efficacy. 

Ofcourse is unreliable, you cant have good reliability of tests with a PCR-RT... I went 2 times even i had mild symptoms both of the times negative. I know some people got tested 3 to 4 times the 4 th test was positive. Is really a mess and i think before a vaccine they should try to find reliable tests thats what i am repeating all the time. Anyway many countries now they are starting to make reseach how many people got infected with virus for example in my country Slovenia they estimated 66.000 people got infected 1400 positive tests was confirmed from 64.000 made tests and from that 100 died so what is percentage is it even 0.1%? Even if my country is bordering with Italy and areas such Lombardy, Veneto is not far, daily migrants come and go to work to Slovenia. Many countries will realise that is not such a big problem and normality in life will return soon. 

10 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

I would suggest that Europeans post a greater risk. 

 

 

The last batch of of 6,000 tourists from Wuhan didn't do much damage to Thailand.

And where it came from? Did it came from Europe or from CCP... 

And after all you believe that in China died 3000 people, after all they hidden and lied to the world... Chinese should be locked for good they can carry bats and CCP viruses in their own country definetely will not seen them in Europe...and i hope Schengen keeps closed tight at least until end of this year. I can go to holiday to Greece, Spain, France and if Croatia reopens have also beautiful beaches so...i think more wisely to spend money this summer than pay 2000+ euros for return ticket. 

Before all they should close illegal crossing of border... Everybody thinking this guy came to Suvarnabhumi, what if he came through illegal channel from Cambodia, Laos... And second thing i would never open a door in midnight to a crazy guy yelling and screaming if i wouldnt have proper tools myself to defend my family otherwise i would call for Police, probably these two guys have recent history otherwise i dont see reason why he let him in. 

Is obvious that Anutin should resign, so many things he did wrong and yet he remain in that position... Normally in normal countries when people realise that they make so many bad statements, decisions resign by themselve but this is LOS

I understand they give this money... But look at everything got even more expensive... So what actually can do someone with 5k is maybe easier for those outside Bangkok... But in BKK, Pattaya is very hard to live on that budget the Government should reopen all business already. 

They will have to find medium price to attract more customers than just rich...because if they want to survive they will have to fly with at least 70% capacity otherwise it doesnt make sense. I domt see anything wrong with a negative test not older than 2to3 days and prove that you havent been in contact to people who were sick in last 7 days that would be possible with phone app otherwise i dont see airlines could start fly again. 

WHO is kicking in the dark since the start of Covid-19 they changing statements every month, while they couldnt provide accurate tests for Covid-19  Tedros was repeating TEST, TEST, TEST now they want to provide Vaccine for a Virus that mutates a lot while they provided unreliable Vaccine even for seasonal flu. I really think WHO is eating money from countries without results, Trump was right the countries itself will find the way out and many of billions of dollars is invested in that Organisation which proved out to be totally unprepared for an outbreak. 

The second thing, Sweden is right the only way and the best way is to do that way, you dont ruin economy fully, you allow people freedom. Yes Sweden have high deaths per 1m but they are opened while whole world or most of it keeps people locked in what you think will happen when countries reopen? The second wave will arrive and what they will do? Lock up people again? 

38 minutes ago, Chazar said:

They have a lot of  old  people.......is  what it  tells  me

Or... That they dont test younger population enough. 

22 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

More people in Italy died because more people have it, most unknowingly or unable to get tested

 

Look at the number of professional footballers there that have had it and what percentage of the population these footballers make up of the country 

I think in Italy was the football match between Atalanta and Valencia on 19.02.2019, more than 60.000 people including many of Valencia fans which they tested positive later also the return match of this game was behind close doors but,

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8097139/amp/Valencia-fans-rock-thousands-outside-Mestalla-despite-told-stay-away.html

the people didnt listened to government to stay away. Now the epicentre is going from Italy to Spain. Is logical pattern, also if you look for example Atletico Madrid - Liverpool the first match at Madrid at full stadium even is known already than that few cases were in Europe, so thats how is spreaded so deadly and rapidly in europe, is because of mass people on one spot, if we add also the lack of government response for close borders, and underestimating the virus by the people "is same as normal seasonal flu" we have this outcome in Europe. 

You see wrong in those people but you should blame government first as they sell legally cigarettes, they didnt do anything for assist people to stop smoke and second thing more people "innocent" die because of alcohol in car accidents than passive people who pass outside frok someone who smoke, they didnt stop selling alcohol, and guess what they wont stop sell cigarettes either but than they need to decide which way they want to go because is obvious you cant sit on two chairs. And situation like now is you cant smoke on balcony, cant smoke infront shopping malls etc... Cant smoke now at all so did you see the things you can buy legally but you cant use? Inthink they should stop selling cigarettes but they cant give up on tax money, so now they starting to making stuoid excuses and using Covid-19 for this... Is it because at thebparty 11 people got infected cause they shared 1 cigarette ????????