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3 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Nobody in Thailand not die in this virus! Only country in the whole planet which not report almost any deaths in this virus! Amazing Thailand!

But they are busy opening ICU equipped field hospitals with hundreds of beds for people who have "mild symptoms or none at all".  

I suppose it's so they can all have quick lie down before they go home to self isolate.

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30401116?utm_source=bottom_relate&utm_medium=internal_referral

That should keep the 2500 staff members busy I'm sure.

Looking after people who aren't really feeling ill or who don't know they have COVID as they are Asymptomatic.

What other possible reason could they be opening for?

There's no serious COVID problem in Thailand, is there. Not according to these government issued figures. 

31 minutes ago, webfact said:

The field hospital has 308 beds and over 2,500 personnel to serve patients

Why is this needed when no one in Thailand has COVID?

If half of the people hospitalized die as is seen in other countries, then during the last 10 months, only 134 people have needed hospital treatment. That's about 1 person admitted to hospital every 2 days in the whole of Thailand.

Why do you need 356 hospital beds with for this? I thought people stayed at home and self isolated if the were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms?

The staffing ratio here means that even if it was full to capacity, there are still almost 6 staff for each bed for people who are not seriously ill.

There is a distinctly fishy smell here and it's not coming from a prawn buffet or a bar girls love socket.

18 minutes ago, champers said:

All Brits should get the AZ/Oxford Uni vaccine FOC; we all paid taxes to help fund its development. It is the UK's gift to the world.

All Brits resident in the UK will. As for the ones who left the UK, well they made their own beds and there they will sleep. You can't have your cake and eat it.

6 minutes ago, Yorkshire Tea said:

Some guy this morning on his way to work coming over Sarasin bridge got stopped and the police made him download the app or else he ain't getting to work

Time to leave Thailand I think.

Who knows what else this app will be listening to, watching, monitoring, downloading and tracking. 

So now everyone is tracked. You have no choice and you have no idea what else the app does. Listening in on calls, collecting personal data. monitoring texts and emails, accessing the microphone to listen to external conversations, etc. The press and social media can only report what the government dictates is the truth hidden in COVID regulations. It's 100% 1984.

Be warned. Big Brother is watching you now.

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2 hours ago, JeffersLos said:

I'm not a criminal mastermind, but wouldn't it be better to overnight bus it to a province far far away with a bag of difference clothes etc and use small local buses to travel around to the machines. Then get a few different buses home avoiding big stations if possible. 

Sounds like you have this all mapped out.

All you need is printer and a bag of fake beards and you're away. 

2 minutes ago, jlwilliamsjr18 said:

Anyone ever question the hygiene of the delivery people and better yet, how often are they tested?

You can test their hygiene yourself, just smell their armpits

As for COVID tests, you can't even get one if you have COVID

20 minutes ago, Dmaxdan said:

The dreaded alcohol ban

That will come I'm sure.

47 minutes ago, Cobra666 said:

My mum had it, and she is 73 yrs old with a serious underlying condition. She described it as a mild flu with a little bit fever, and just stayed home for a few days. She is still alive.

I also have 3 colleagues who had it and one did not even notice it (tested after being in contact with someone with the virus) and the other two very mild symptoms with a little fatigue. 

It's an unknown how it will affect different people. The one of biggest issue is the bodies reaction to the virus. Sometimes, the immune system overreacts to viral invaders resulting in T cells killing normal, healthy uninfected cells and causing tissue damage. However, there is a ‘brake mechanism’ that should kick in, causing T cells to reduce their activity and calming inflammation  once the virus is under control.

For some of those that develop severe symptoms it appears that the 'brake' never cuts in to calm the over reaction, This then leads to the continued destruction of healthy cells in the lungs leading to pneumonia and death.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/206173/severe-covid-19-infection-linked-overactive-immune/

It has something to do with the protein  ‘Foxp3’ that should apply this brake not being produced by some people so the brakes don't come on.

it is therefore pot luck whether you are someone with this flaw and hit a critical point where you go down instead of up. I would assume that older you are the less able your body is able to repair the damage quickly so that would contribute too.

There is still so much we do not know now so best keep yourself safe as you have said until the information becomes clearer.

38 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

A silent pandemic then!  Well, Thailand does have an incredible ability to keep things hidden.  But we would surely expect to see the same sad sight of crowded hospital wards with sick patients fighting for breath. 

 

We might explain the increased mortality as being caused by the effects of social distancing, poverty, etc.  So, people stop going to hospitals for their chronic conditions for example.

I agree. There are a number of other factors at here that could affect this caused by the effect of the virus. The lack of tourists forcing businesses to close, causing lost employment, poverty and leading to people not being able to afford to go to hospital or buy proper medicines.

It's hard to tell the reality as the social media and press restriction for COVID-19 reporting in Thailand are pretty tough.

https://rsf.org/en/news/thailand-uses-covid-19-restrict-freedom-inform

I think it's highly unlikely that we would see any negative press due to the strict censorship in place since March to prevent anything but the governments message being heard. So you should simply draw your own conclusions here.

10 minutes ago, bermondburi said:

I remember posting the 1st link you have there in the past. Surprisingly the post was removed. 

2 minutes ago, grumbleweed said:

Viruses may become easier to spread because they have mutated. They don't mutate to become easier to spread.

With viruses, they are running through evolution at high speed.  

At birth, children typically have 70 new genetic mutations compared to their parents. With the time between parents birth and having a child being about 18 years.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190924143205.htm

A virus however has between an 8-72hr replication period. Viruses are also working in the astronomic numbers of replications depending on the number of people infected.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8181/

Most mutations are useless or  can be fatal. But the odd one brings an advantage meaning they are more likely to prosper.

The larger the number of infections the higher the chance one virus can mutate with a change to help it become more successful.

Evolution is just an inbuilt mechanism for all life based around probabilities. It's going to a be a war to keep on top of it. Until it is put back into it's box, COVID-19 will continue to randomly mutate with the possibility one of these mutations will be more successful than others at beating our immune systems. However your body is equipped to deal with these variations, it just need time to work out what it is and create a defense to it. No virus has beaten the human immune system in everyone who caught it yet.

The higher the global infection levels the more mutations will be appearing so we are in for along bumpy ride I think for awhile yet.

20 hours ago, abrahamzvi said:

That is a most cynical comment and it‘s absolute nonsense. If „most of us“ were positive , quite a few vulnerable ones would be dead by now and hospitals would be overcrowded.. 

There is currently a 8.5% increase in expect mortality in Thailand. Between April and end of July  2020 an extra 13000 people died than in the same months of the years between 2009-2019. This mortality data is taken from the Thai Bureau of Registration Administration. Whilst this does not mean COVID-19 is responsible it is hard to find another reason to account for this increase.

There is more information and links here

https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2020/08/06/lifting-the-veil-on-thailands-covid-19-success-story/

In addition random testing of all hospital staff in 52 cottage hospitals across Thailand between April and June 2020 shows that 3.7% of those tested have the SARS-CoV-2 antibodies' in their systems showing that they have had COVID-19 already.

Random testing for all patient admissions (not COVID) within the same  hospitals during the same period show 12.1% carry the same SARS-CoV-2 antibodies which indicates previous infection.

This report was created by the Department of Preventive and Social Medicine, Faculty of Medicine, at Chulalongkorn University is shown here.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.24.20139188v3.full.pdf

So no, not everybody has had it. Thailand is doing as well as can be expected. You need to make your own assumptions based on the facts but it is clear that Thailand has had higher instances of COVID than we are lead to believe.

Do your research and don't blindly trust figures supplied by people who may not want you to know the truth.

Once you have that, then draw your own conclusions 

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

Really? I am failing to see the overburden hospitals and trucks of body bags as seen in developed First World countries.

As of start of August the expect mortality rate in Thailand was 8.5% above normal as compared to the years between 2009 and 2019.

That equates to about 13000 more deaths than would be expected between March and the end of July.

Thailand’s mortality data is taken from the Thai Bureau of Registration Administration. 

Whilst this in itself does not prove those deaths are attributed to COVID, it's hard to find another reason for this large rise.

You can read more about this here

https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2020/08/06/lifting-the-veil-on-thailands-covid-19-success-story/

27 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

So if everyone was vaccinated we would still need quarantine ?

No, provided we can trust the vaccines and certificates.

However I'm sure there is a printing company somewhere in the World ready to create fake certificates. Also factories busy making fake vaccine.

Wherever there is demand and limited supply someone will exploit it to make money. 

Thailand is not in a situation to wait for this so it's highly likely they will open no matter the risk and remove quarantine as nobody will go there until this is gone..

On 12/26/2020 at 9:03 AM, Jonathan Fairfield said:

only if people fail to cooperate with the guidelines

Good luck with that.

Thai people don't follow road traffic laws.

Why would they follow a set of COVID guidelines?

I am not involved in this enterprise, but I totally agree. There are future legal arguments that need to be resolved here but as it stands it is not an illegal service.

By fighting change you just drive it underground as seen with the Record companies fight to retain DRM control  in the late 90's and early 2000's by resisting internet streaming. Now it is the biggest sales platform.

By fighting the change the BBC are just adding power to the VPN, Real Debrid and Kodi based services. Time for the BBC to step up and embrace the future rather than digging their heels in. They are missing an opportunity here.

44 minutes ago, Susco said:

Iplayer is just an app provided by BBC, nothing to do with copyrights

iPlayer provides VOD and as such is region specific.

https://rm.coe.int/legal-aspects-of-video-on-demand/1680789959

FTA streams have no regional block, provided you are not undertaking re-transmission.

If you are a viewer receiving them within the country of origin you must have a suitable license.

5 hours ago, fishtank said:

Fully legal? ????

Membership clubs fit into this. And this is membership only and run under strict rules and guidelines.

It can provide live streams but can't provide access to iPlayer etc.

Has to be Wilko Johnson. His R&B riffs defined an era.

9 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

The burning question is-will they breathalyze the Thai astronauts before they launch the moonshot?

I would have thought being drunk would be compulsory to get into a Thai built moon rocket.