Damual Travesty

3 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Well not anymore. Once Trump gave the signal, lots of republican politicians were going to be unwilling to oppose him. The real issue is in what other country is there serious political opposition to the wearing of masks?  Keep in mind that there's a rule in the White House itself about mask-wearing. That government epidemiologists support it. What good reason is there not to strongly endorse the wearing of masks and to do it yourself?

John were you not paying attention during the beginning months of this when the CDC/Surgeon general of USA. UK, and WHO were all saying NOT to wear masks? Then they changed their mind. Personally I favour wearing a mask but I firmly believe that I do not have the Right to order anyone else to do so. Or to threaten them with TAKING their money, livelihood, freedom, etc if they choose not to wear one. I do not come from such a society John. My country has a tradition against such overbearing Government. In fact it was founded on principles against such Government power. I currently live in Thailand John a fairly compliant society far less individualistic and prone to group behaviour and group think. In many ways more cohesive. They are less inclined to argue against a government which uses power differently. But John you can't order people to wear a mask, you can barely order them to stay home. And John how long? Until the eradication of COVID-19? And you can fault people all day - they are what they are. They are not put on this world to be so ordered in their lives.

22 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Yes there has been a problem with Fisa for a long time predating the Trump administration. If rules were bent, it's nothing that hasn't occurred before. There have already been 2 investigations and no criminal activity was found. Barr just wont' give up. I think you'll find that given Barr's conduct (today he tried to fire the US Attorney for the Southern District of NY) I don't think whatever emerges from Durham's inquiry is going to be much believed. And as emotional as you may get about this, America's concerns have moved on.

No John, America's concerns have not moved on. You are correct Barr will not give up. Criminal activity was found John, recommendations were even made for the Attorney General to charge McCabe he chose not do do so at the time probably as he is waiting for Durham. Lots of broken laws John and indictments coming down John plenty of them. The FISA's we are talking about here are specific John, to this case - specific about attempting to alter the facts in the case John. To spy John - to take people down - to ruin their lives man. Think about that - this is not about a side John. This is about the perversion of Justice for power. Hating this President or not is irrelevant.

26 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Oh please. Your attempt to blame Donald Trump for you not even being able to get your liberal friends around such a mandate is laughable at best. As for other countries? I don't know. Is it an issue in other countries? So let's see how rational you are on the subject of masks. Is Trump the only person to politicize masks?

 

Now... regarding public approval. I couldn't care less. If I end up being the last and sole American who supports freedom and the Constitution, I will be fine with that.

You won't be the last!

21 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

How do governments go about fining people for antisocial behavior up to now? 

Well John , they write them citations that result in fines or jail time, or potentially community service that then results in fines or jail if not performed. You did not really even need to ask such a question did you? You live in the same world with the rest of us. What are you suggesting for people who have already suffered financially, and emotionally, for not wearing a mask in public John? A fine? Jail? Community service to be performed under threat of fine or jail? Of course all of that really means under threat of Government force. Are you suggesting the same Government force for those who are rioting? Or no? Only for mask refusers?

2 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

There are plenty of states where mask wearing has been made mandatory. Polls show that most people are fine with that. It's just a noisy minority of selfish people who object.

As for Trump being the only person to politicize masks? That's not a sensible question. The sensible question is the United States the only country where the wearing of masks has been politicised thanks in large part to its chief executive?  .

John it was the WHO and the CDC of the USA and the surgeon general of the USA who began this whole thing suggesting against wearing masks even warning against it. I think its important to bring that up. Right or wrong I think that all that is being said here is that its rather difficult to force people to wear a mask in the USA. And obviously they don't like being locked down either John.

9 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

The answer is we don't know. As Mueller pointed out in his report, he wasn't able to absolve Trump of committing acts of obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice means that you have thwarted legal processes. So who knows if Trump is an agent or not. We know he made references to pardoning various persons under investigation.

 

John, you now know that the FBI was found to 17 times committed serious crimes regarding fisa. You now know that FBI attorneys altered Documents. You now know that Rosenstein has said if hew knew the truth he would have never authorized fisa. You know that the minimal thread of predication has already been torn based on the withholding of esculpatory material on Popodopolous. you know that the whole thing began with nothing. We know that Flynn was railroaded JOHN do you feel for this man? For his family? For a 3 star general called a traitor? The logan act John? Seriously? Do you feel anything for Carter page? A Naval officer who has never been charged with anything? Do you think John that the Mueller report saw any evidence that Trump was a agent working for the Russians? Come on John.  Who knows if Trump was an agent or not? They found no evidence of such a thing John - and John now they know they never even had evidence to begin such an investigation John. John this is not about Trump. It stopped being about Trump a long time ago man. Its about the attempt to take down a President of the USA any President, by a bureaucracy in collusion with a political party and a sympathetic press. John - wise up man. Trump is gone in four years max. Maybe he loses the election. But this John? This cannot happen in the USA John people need to go to jail for a long long time. A party that does such things needs to end John for this has never ever happened in the history of the USA - never!

17 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Roughly 50 percent of the American electorate voted for hillary clinton in the last election. In the midterms democrats outpolled republicans by about 8%. That's a lot of people to jail and crush like a bug. 

I think that when Durham brings the indictments and they finally lay out the case of what happened before the American public the party will be dead. The leadership decapitated. A sad chapter ends. It does not matter how many voted for Hillary. it's become obvious what these horrible people have done to the Nation. Horrible people John. Horrible  unforgivable things. John they invented from Thin air a story that the President of the USA paid Russian Prostitutes to urinate on a bed used by the former POTUS and first lady. Then they used the FBI - CIA to funnel that story to the press. For our Children and Military to read, for our grand parents to read. A story that was bought and paid for by a political party that is proved false - to be nothing . Just all made up. They then colluded with each other to accuse the President of being a foreign agent working for the Russians. John what kind of people do such a thing? Seriously John. Are you one of those people? Do you give such behaviour a pass because it is your side? Or because you find Trump a detestable personality? Therefore such behaviour is OK? Think about this John? Should I accept that as OK?

10 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

What I'm talking about that your right to behave in a certain way needs to be curtailed when it threatens the lives of others. The USA is in the midst of a pandemic. You shouldn't be allowed to be in public without wearing a mask. The evidence is very strong that the best way to control this pandemic until a vaccine or better medication comes along is by wearing masks.

So you are advocating a law that prevents people ("You shouldn't be allowed...") from going without a ask in public, and what will be your enforcement mechanism John? And what do you suggest as the punishment for non-compliance?

Just now, Phoenix Rising said:

You're right about one thing, and one thing only; It certainly isn't funny. Luckily, in a couple of decades when Trump is dust and the GOP has been eradicated this will all just be bad memories.

In the mean time I would ask you to refrain from calling yourself an American. You don't deserve that badge of honor.

It won't take decades for Trump to be gone. Even if he wins it's only 4 more years. And I am a Retired USN Veteran and don't really give a damn what you think. And yeah it isn't funny. People are already dying. Police officers shot dead. Retired police officers shot dead. Innocent people maimed by mobs, a party that tried to overthrow a President using the bureaucracy and people like you who support it. Yeah, its all gonna end soon alright. Take that to the bank.

I would by a new WIFI card for the laptop. Problem solved. Cheap.

16 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

It's like attempting to shame people into not shooting guns at random on a crowded street. That you might kill other people isn't important. What's important is your freedom to fire those guns and not to be made ashamed of doing so. Very sensitive dispositions those non mask-wearing individuals have.

You think you are being smug talking about guns like this? You think you are funny? People have already threatened to enter homes. There are people living in mixed race poor neighbourhoods who are scared to death. Let me tell you those people are locked and loaded, and don't think any of this is funny - Now I don't know if you are American John Peterson but further violence in the USA is not good for anyone. NOT ANYONE. But rest assured no one is taking away anyone's right to own one not in the USA. And masks and guns are two very different topics, and despite your rather strange attempt at somehow deciding that masks and guns are a same topic they are not John.  And yes John when someone fires at a crowd of people throwing rocks through his home while is family cries, he will not feel ashamed for pulling the trigger. So be careful what you are taking about here. All of this is real and not just people talking on boards. Innocent people WILL be killed if this violence continues. Yeah people are sensitive to being told what to do by Governments.

12 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Mandatory mask wearing would be a good place to start. But Donald Trump has managed to politicize it. Are there any other countries where this is even an issue? There wouldn't even be a conversation about it now if Trump had pushed for it. And his polling numbers would certainly look a lot better. Those leaders who somehow managed to align themselves with the advice of the medical community have experienced increased public approval.

Mandatory mask wearing in the USA, under penalty of what? Jail? A citation?

5 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

It appears to me that was projection, as the left often engages in. Case in point: "woke" actress Alyssa Milano. Spotted wearing a mask. The only problem? It's CROCHETED and full of holes. 

 

https://pagesix.com/2020/05/24/alyssa-milano-trolled-on-twitter-for-wearing-crochet-face-mask/

 

 

As far as I am concerned they should throw all caution to the wind at this point. Live normal. If you have issues stay at home. Tell your family about your issues then isolate yourself until sad life is over. As for everyone else build up immunity through infection as chances are you will barely notice you had it. I am over 60 and under 70, strong and healthy and sick to death of hearing about corona virus. What about if it comes back harder, mutates, etc? It's time to put all money into vaccines and we need a raging economy globally. Enough is enough. Some people here think this is a fantasy world that can survive perpetual shutdown, likewise they think that human nature does not want to wear a mask and you cannot force it upon people to do so in cultures that do not normally comply with group behaviour. To attempt to shame the world into wearing a mask is a bit dumb, likewise is to arrest people for non-compliance. Countries that have already given up freedoms to authority to so much better then others. My Mom is 80, she wears a mask when she goes bowling, but half her bowling team of other 80 year old's don't. So go figure. Fat chance of forcing them to wear one. 

7 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

here's what  you wrote before andI replied to:

"We'll have to wait and see. If there is no significant spite in Covid19, it shows that stay at home was not necessary."

Looks like you're changing your tune. By your previous criterion, it would be necessary. Now you're saying it doesn't matter.

 

And how does an increase in hospitalizations mean that it's "just people becoming immune and stronger." ?

Here is exactly what I quoted EVERY WORD FOR WORD:

22 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

So you at the rally without mask or just virtue signaling virtually. 

Are you making a point? Are you raising a point? are you objecting to something specific I said? No I was not at the Trump rally. I don't consider wearing or not wearing a mask a sign of virtue.

10 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

I have to say I agree with most of what he said....Its a matter of respect. Some one lives with you their mother is attached to you, I take it he treats her well , plus pays the child's  school fees, gives her an allowance, and she wont even speak to him !  I wouldn't allow that sort of disrespect from my own 3 Australian daughters. They treat my Thai wife with upmost respect when we visit there---and she gives them nothing.

To be honest, I was only speaking direct to the comment in question and did not Tie the post to previous posts as being same, so yeah, I also agree with you 100 percent.

12 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

You were not specific that she was living with you. Is she is there is little choice about not contributing.

My situation is different as it is my wife's daughter. She has lived with us for 5 years but will not speak to me. She does enjoy school but I never get to see the results. As well as paying the fees she gets a weekly allowance but contributes very little to the house work and spends most of the time in her room alone.

It is a difficult situation but in the end it is only money, of which I have wasted and lost plenty. In this case it may help the grand daughter so i would say yes.

This was interesting for me to read; I also have a step daughter. I am married I treat her as my daughter. she is 17 and has been living with us for 3 years. She also gets an allowance, (which she must weekly come and ASK me for), treats me with total honour and respect, does housework, cooks me breakfast, offers to wash my dish etc. She talks and laughs with me, I teach her English, she does show me the results, and gets rewarded for them,  and I do make (kind) demands upon her regarding school work. I also tell her I love her and that she is my daughter.  She is also in the Thai version of the ROTC for the reserve force. My daughter does spend a considerable amount of time in her room, but I do force her to watch a movie with me from time to time. My wife gives her far more grief then I do.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I insist on a friendly home environment where everyone in it shows appropriate responses for my providing them with a home and financial support. If anyone doesn't like living with me, they are welcome to leave at any time.

spoken like a true king of the Castle! As it should be!

You can do whatever you want with your money, but it all depends on if you consider your girlfriend family or not. I would never feel the need to ask such a question in this forum, because at its heart you are asking people here what we think about the trust level you have for the people involved here. I know my Thai family quite well - Mother, Father, sister-in-law, nephew, local friends in village. The question is do you know the people involved in your question. If you are asking here maybe you don't.

Wow man, that's some straight up old skool gangsta!

19 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Where have you been?

Texas coronavirus hospitalizations spike 11 percent in single day

Texas hospitalizations reportedly jumped 11 percent from Tuesday to Wednesday.

Multiple states are seeing increases in coronavirus cases and hospitalizations.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/503348-texas-coronavirus-hospitalization-up-11-percent

so what? What are you advocating? Staying at home for another 6 months? I don't care how many cases there are. That is just people becoming immune, and stronger. I hope I get it and I'm over 60. I will survive. And if I didn't I am dead. A mosquito could give me dengue fever too. Or a car could hit me.

5 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Doesnt mean you have to run to the front of the queue to meet the grim reaper.

Are you making the claim that going to a rally or not wearing a mask is going to result in ones death? Therefore one should sit at home, until when? Exactly? and how often should this be repeated? I would rather be at the front of the queue, as I said before, I would kick this virus to the curb. I would rather live life. You can sit at home if you like and wait for round two, or three.

Nip it at the bud or you lose control of the Country. Then its all over.