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7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:I suppose you include me in that "veiled" attack, but I've never supported war from any side, and am attempting ( and obviously failing ) to bring some balance to the thread amidst the posts with nothing more to say than "Putin bad man" over and over and over, and those that detail the horrible things that happen in any war, but have little to contribute to the debate.
IMO there is more to this conflict than is apparent, and if any that try to see both sides are shouted down and cancelled those doing the shouting and cancelling do the debate a dis service.
Closed minded attitudes never solved anything.
Let's remember that all we can do is give our opinions, as I'm pretty sure that no one on here is part of those that actually make the decisions in the halls of power, and attacking those that disagree with you does nothing for the conversation, but it does say something about those that resort to personal attacks.
6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:Its the way of the internet these days .
Unless you think that Putin is an evil psychopathic Nazi wanting to take over the whole World and kill us all (Much like Saddam and Gadhafi did ) and he needs to be hunted down and killed, then you are a White supremacist, Trump supporting far right Putin supporting Nazi , who needs to be silenced
Your posts come across as an anti Ukraine, NATO and the west. They have little to say of substance to justify the invasion, the actions taken by the invaders, and what a better response by the west should be. I said as much directly to Mac Mickmanus a few pages back but no response.
Mac Mickmanus is dismissive of those showing significant concern about a leader who is in control of nuclear weapons, is threating to use them, and who is personally responsible for the devastation and deaths in Ukraine.
ThaiBeachLovers says there needs to be balance about Putin being good or bad and suggesting crimes happen in any war.
You both appear to tell us above what Putin is not in your eyes. It would be good to hear what he is, and a justification for the actions of Putin and or Russia, if you think it is appropriate.
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9 hours ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:
You see, this is precisely why I spend little time on these forums, people like you, attitudes like this. TVF is full of bitter old men. People marry into Thailand without understanding the people they are marrying. That's their fault. When my money ran out, I was thrown a lifeline by Thai family and I'm not going to be the farang that ran out when things go bad. . . Everyone's experience of life is different of course.
9 hours ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:I think you kind of understand what I'm saying. To me, all taxation is fraudulent, and none more fraudulent than making tax payers pay for the elderly of others.
Not sure if you believe in this specific concept or just in being good to people who are good to you.
The concept seems to be based on obedience and devotion, possibly without question, almost a religious thing. Would you support it if they had not been nice. Or do you think by supporting the concept, and living in a certain way, it made your family nice respectful and good people.
Isn't taxation itself a broader form of devotion and support of our fellow people. Or are those without a family to be discarded with no support for health, housing and basics such as food.
It is noted too that as we get older the concept of helping and respecting the elderly can seem a more desirable concept.
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3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:Oh I see, it was actually Donald Trump was the pathologic liar .
Right, so what about Boris johnson, is he a honest guy who doesn't tell lies ?
So what your doing there is what autocratic politicians, or wannabe autocratic politicians do, and that's to say they are all bad, everything's bad, so no one can judge anyone.
I wish you and other posters, instead of posting hypotheticals or comparisons, would just straight out say what they think of Russia and if they care to justify Russians action than spell it out. Justify the pressing need for the invasion. Then justify their actions during the invasion. Justify why the world should watch on and let it happen. Speak your mind.
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36 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:
Meanwhile, back in the real world.
"We've given Ukraine nearly €1 billion. That might seem like a lot but €1 billion is what we're paying [Vladimir] Putin every day for the energy he provides us with. Since the start of the war, we've given him €35 billion, compared to the €1 billion we've given Ukraine to arm itself."
Sanctions are hurting the Russian economy much more than the changes in $ value of oil and gas sales.
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54 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:
If you are concerned about atrocities, why didnt European Countries step in when there was genocide happening recently in Myanmar , with about 1 million people being chased off their land and murdered , raped and killed or the continuing atrocities occurring in Yemen , in both Countries, far worse things happened than are now happening in Ukraine .
Is it because Ukrainians are Caucasian that you feel the need to help them ?
The Myanmar treatment of Rohingya was of course abysmal. The west took action but it was inadequate. The situation in Yemen and the background battles between Saudi Arabia and Iran is having terrible impacts on the country.
One answer may be that as a westerner we do relate more to suffering of people who are a bit more like us. Who we can relate to. The other is that it is happening on the boundary of the western world of which we are familiar and there is a clear fight between western democratic and authoritarian values. The other is the affect on our lives such as higher petrol prices and grain prices. The other is the fact of a focal point on an evil individual being Putin who many of us have thought was evil and corrupt long before this. The other is the fact that Russia is a nuclear power and for the first time in a long time there use has been threatened.
You may be able to find some inconsistencies and contradictions in the moral outrage and general concern. Hopefully though we can all concur that the specifics of this case should involve moral outrage and general concern.
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As a non gay observer I take your point on these issues. It is a concern and seems mostly just political frippery. It could do harm to gay kids who could do with role models and a helping hand and an acknowledgement that they are normal.
I don't though like comparisons with Putin and Russia. A teacher having to be careful about what they say about their personal life, or about expressing how they consider the world is, may not be ideal but of course it's not comparable to the limitations in Russia. You may think it's a slippery slope but it ain't that slippery because even the proponents are being very careful about how they are expressing themselves. It is 2022, and in the United States the gay freedom genie is out of the bottle, and isn't going back in.
The other thing is, there is an element of truth in the concept that teachers in general need to keep personal values and ideals and preferences out of the classroom, as much as is possible. Especially as it relates to transgender stuff which is controversial and needs special care. Before kids are at least teenagers I can see that parents don't want to give teachers the ability to take the conversation down their own personal rabbit hole . You can still teach that it's good to let people follow their own path without getting into specifics.
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I have a ticket booked for May 3. I can change it and assumed I would close to the date. But if this is introduced from May 1 it is probably enough for me to give it a go. I can take a RAT test the day before or that morning which makes it fairly safe that I'll get through.
Here's hoping.
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18 minutes ago, Tony125 said:
Probably the way you were brought up kinda a prude who probably believes old guys 70+ don't or shouldn't be having sex. My wifes gran-pa died 2 weeks ago at 92, he was still messing with women when he was 91. My father died at 95 was still having sex at 93 living in his own aprartment till he had a stroke and had to be put in a nursing home. If you workout to stay strong/verile and possibly use viagra and/or Testosterone therapy/suppliments many guys can still function in later years especially if they have a younger, attractive GF/wife and not one that looks and feels/acts like a gran ma.
It's not what he's doing but the way. I think if he was wearing decent clothes and doing something with a bit of dignity instead of trying so hard on camera to say look at me I've still got it and I can keep up with the young ones it might be OK. Not saying older people shouldn't have sex.. with young or old.. whomever is willing to go there.
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9 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:So you would have a Parent/Child kind of relationship , you would be acting like Parent to a Child , teaching them about correct ways to behave .
I gave up trying to teach/inform Thai ladies about anything , like not leaving wet towels on the bed and things like that .
I had to tell her every single time and the next time, Wet Towel on the bed again and I would explain that the bed would get wet and the towel would smell .
After about a year of trying to get her to hang wet towels up for them to dry , I just gave up and lived with wet towels on the bed
I think your partner has issues. I wouldn't give up till she stopped.
For me it wasn't so much about wanting to be parent to a child wife, or control her, but the contrast of having someone who doesn't think too much, or thinks in a different way, is a good thing. Thai ladies tend to let you be you and if she's young she tends to be a bit more flexible. The western partners I had in the past were lovely, and all that, but I never felt more relaxed than with a thai woman, as compared to a western woman, who maybe thinks too much and second guesses stuff like I do. Sometimes simple is good. I had no desire to turn her into some copy of a western woman or myself.
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5 minutes ago, zyphodb said:
A Lou Reed song lyric puts it perfectly, can't remember the name of the song, but it's on the Transformer album...
you still do the things that I gave up years ago"...
Such a good album. To be honest I'm still doing the things I was doing back then too. Creature of habit. One day I'll retire and move to Thailand instead of just holidays.
Talked to her and her new partner for an hour tonight. She's pregnant. Interesting times.
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I was 39 she was 21. It was a good and bad 6 year marriage. The good things are obvious of being with a young lovely Thai girl. The negatives are that you have to of course, to some degree, take on the role as older guy. Tell her she is beautiful. Go shopping etc. Fun at first but not after a while. After we broke up I had a short relationship with a not so pretty girl. It was actually refreshing to feel like an equal. I have had friendships with women my own age and culture and it can be nice too to discuss things happening now, and in the past, without feeling a bit old and boring. On the other side it was good not to talk with the ex about news or the past as it's all just talk and who cares.
My ex wife and I are good friends. She is now 37 and has many of the habits I had at 39. It's nice to be with a young and pretty but a bit tedious over the years being in the older guy role.
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Most people agree that blacks had it bad for a long time and the only debate is whether in 2022 there is an ongoing need for positive discrimination.
On the CRT thing most agree that teaching America's failings, along with the many triumphs and successes, is appropriate. Some of the interpretations of CRT were a bit over the top, in terms of racism in 2022, but the idea of teaching kids balanced history is not that controversial.
On gender issues, most agree with letting people be who they want to be, but might draw the line at coming to conclusions on gender as fact e.g. teaching young kids about what is known, or what is not known, when aspects of gender fluidity are scientifically controversial.
The point being that the difference between opinions on such topics is not that large, but those differences are often exploited, and exaggerated by politicians and the media, for personal gain.
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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:
I'm well aware of all that, but it takes more than I have to be happy living here these days. My biggest and most frightening problem is finding a DECENT place to live, which is an impossibility for thousands in NZ now. The prices have become ludicrous and the government does nothing but make noises about it.
When the only alternative option is living in a car it's hard to be happy with life. I was happy in LOS when I could live in a decent hotel for a lot less than the unsatisfactory situation I find myself in now, with no light on the horizon for hope.
You should look into public housing. I am sure in New Zealand there is a waiting list but you might get lucky now if you are happy to live a bit out of town. If not now maybe a year or two. Then you can save your money and have a holiday in Thailand.
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25 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:
Fear mongering, can you expand on this for at least me....I mean it is known that most sausages/hot dogs etc...are known carcinogens and cancer causing. Not scaremongering but at least one knows what's possible.
https://www.bannerhealth.com/healthcareblog/teach-me/who-hot-dogs-and-sausages-cause-cancer-now-what
The World Health Organization (WHO) has classified processed meat as carcinogenic, or cancer-causing, to humans. It’s in the same category as cigarettes and alcohol. Think about that for a second. Cigarettes, alcohol, processed meat. All bad for you.
I think though there's a big difference between fresh premium sausages I buy in Australia which, I hope, use pretty good meat and not much preservative and they go bad like normal meat. You can tell when you cook them not much fat and not salty. A step down are normal cheap sausages, and a step down from that is hot dogs, and worse still is processed meats such as salami and cabana.
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13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:
He mentioned PCR test in his opening post, then mentioned Saliva test in a follow up post, so, the info is not clear.
This is not a money making scam as implied by you. If they are positive they need o isolate somewhere. Anyone else can isolate at home.
Tourists don’t have a home to isolate in and thus need to isolate in a location where the staff are fully vaccinated, have full PPE and isolation protocols in place ( Hospitel ). This may seem extreme for a mildly symptomatic omicron and perhaps could be reduced to simple isolation in an SHA Plus + hotel… the costs are likely to be similar.
Ralf001 - what would you do with tourists who have tested positive?
they are unable to travel so have to stay somewhere ?
a hotel of their choice ? Putting other guests and staff at risk ?
what is the solution ?I concur. But as I have said before for asymptomatic cases they just need to spell it out in detail and give options so tourists know what happens and what is the worst case.
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There was a super cheap ticket and I booked it for May. I'll likely change it now.
I now see that there is no clear guidelines on what happens if you test positive on arrival. I have seen the green, yellow, red light guide. If you are asymptomatic though it is bizarre to me that a government seems to be saying 'Just turn up. We'll work out what to do with you then'.
Do I have to stay at the hotel I am at and do 10 days quarantine, on a special accommodation and food expensive package? Can I go to a different SHA hotel and just self quarantine and buy food myself? Doubt it.
As an aside, I just spoke to Medibank insurance in Australia and they said they do cover that situation, i.e. cover for the cost of quarantine if you are not sick, but it is not clear in the Product Disclosure Statement. I think it may not be correct.
As long as they keep the PCR test on arrival it is a huge risk. Tempted to go but I'll probably stay at home and wait till there is no testing.
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Bored by soccer. Maybe because it wasn't on as a kid in Australia so not hard wired. Though stopped watching sport altogether. A game like this with nothing at stake is just for the die hard fans.
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2 hours ago, sirineou said:Yes indeed. The western expansion of NATO.
I know about that. Most who take an active interest know about that. You may feel it is a culmination of actions over time by the west. You are talking about things in 1997 and 2008. I don't buy it because, though I concur joining NATO may not have been sensible for pragmatic reasons, there was no specific current actions by Ukraine or the west to do so. At some point too you have to accept and defend a country's write to decide it's own future, even if the autocratic leader next door doesn't like it, like Poland, Romania, and the Baltic States. Doesn't have to mean supporting NATO membership.
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58 minutes ago, sirineou said:Spot on on your last paragraph. Though there were also some other goals that were also accomplished and I will not get into them as not to go off topic, The real goals are not always apparent to the general public,
But it is not plausible that his goal is the destruction of the Ukraine. The goals are to stop the eastward expansion of NATO , and maintain Russia's dominance in the gas and Oil market for that region.
This is really another petro war.
If it achieves this two goals Russia will have accomplished the goals it set out to achieve . The destruction of Ukraine is a by product of the failure to achieve these goals trough diplomatic negotiation.
And the west has it's fair share of the blame in this. IMO the west is just as much to blame for the war in the Ukraine as Russia is. It is not like this came as a surprise to anyone who has followed the development of these events in the past 30 years or so. Experts have warned about it, and Russia had said it would.
And I guaranty you, without a shred of doubt, The Biden administration was not surprised at all.
Biden was the VP for 8 years, In the Senate for I think 36, chainman of the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee . He has seen the reports by the experts, he has been briefed by the CIA for the past 40 years, He very well knows what's going on.
Trust me this is part of the geopolitical chess game, and the Ukrainian people and poor Russian conscripts that are losing their lives , are the pawns,
I find your post offensive because you seem to be joining dots that aren't there, or using past crimes by the United States as an excuse, or suggest this had been inevitable or that Ukraine should have no decisions in its future.
I get sick too of 'the general public can't see the real goals' stuff.
First, let us concur that the big players compete to influence the world to their own gain, and that the United States has done lots of bad stuff .
The world has been well aware of tensions between Russia and it's neighbours. There are always tensions and threats in the world. Can you point to the actions of the west in recent times that made them as guilty as Putin and that made this invasion inevitable and necessary?
Do you deny Ukraine the right to decide its future in the longer term and not simply be a pawn? Should it be stopped or supported, in the longer term, siding with the west, if it chooses to do so given Russia is a constant threat and unattractive role model.
It may be sensible not to antagonise the beast at your door but Ukraine was not about to do anything in particular to warrant this. Nor was the United States or other western country.
If you have a deeper understanding of things please point to the threat to Putin and Russia, that made this need to happen, and that makes the west as guilty and responsible as Russia.
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6 hours ago, LaosLover said:
Liked WH best in Altered States, Ken Russel's most left-field film and surely a GobaGlob-5 star-er. It was full of the hippie science of the day: talking dolphins, Carlos Castaneda-like mind transformation, isolation tanks.
It's a big cult film in Mexico. It suits their favorite plot of being transformed into a monster -and then saved by a good woman/saint. The same storyline pops up in Thai ghost soap operas.
Tremendous market in the historic district of Mex City where no film is too obscure to bootleg for $2. Stuff like the uncut El Top or Buenel's documentaries. I got Andy Warhol's Trash the last time.
Vientiane used to have a store where if you were a repeat buyer, you could get 20 films for a $10 bill (must be in mint condition). Huge selection due to the French expat community, they had New Wave-everything. There was also a guy on the corner of Suk and Soi 11 who would get on his phone to get you any title the next day for 50 baht.
The cream of bootlegs were Chinese, often in box sets like all the Kubrick films or Film Noir vol's one, two, and three. How was that ever a profitable business for anyone? It was prob some rich Chinese guy's hobby.
Anyone else here remember buying movies at Pan Tip Plaza?
In the 2000's, seems like yesterday, I would walk up to the Hello Kitty stall full of fake stuff of course, and the guy would give a furtive look around then take you into his DVD shop behind a curtain. Those shops and big internet cafes came and went.
I recall Bali had cassette shops back in the 80's too and they would have some strange best of compilations with added obscure tracks that seemed good at the time.
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9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:
Thailand makes no money on the day 5 test.
Positive Day 5 ATK cases can isolate at home... thats if they even bother to upload a result or just keep it quiet.
It is the Day 1 PCR test which ‘could’ prove costly as Thailand over-reacts to international cases and ‘may’ place recent PCR positive arrivals in hospitel quarantine rather than letting them quarantine at home.
You seem to know your stuff. If I test positive during that first night is there something that says If you are sick.. this happens ... and if you are positive but not sick.. this happens. There is no 'home' in Thailand for tourists of course.
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2 hours ago, cmarshall said:
Morality and ethics have as small a role in this conflict as they had in the illegal American war on Iraq, which is to say none. Putin is going to achieve his goal of destroying Ukraine. He probably won't annex all of it, but Zelenskyy's successor's will think twice before they say the word "NATO" again.
It is obvious that good does not always wins against evil and that this will not have a Hollywood ending. Of course, there is no such ending for the dead, and many lives and cities are devastated. I am just saying that normal people's sense of morality is having a big impact on this battle.
It is obvious to note that the Ukrainian reaction, and outrage around the world, is resulting in huge support to Ukraine, and a prolonged war for Putin, and is dealing a huge blow to the Russian economy.
I guess I am just pointing out that your argument of the inevitability of a Russian victory, based on power and selective history, is being offset by people's moral outrage and this has lead to Putin becoming a much diminished figure and Russia seriously struggling to succeed in their war.
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The death of music
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Because we are older we may not have the same life experience as the target young audience, and don't feel as stimulated by the modern approach to love songs, and such.
But more importantly, in my opinion, there are limits to pop melodies and tunes and we have often actually heard it before - like watching a new movie where you've seen the same approach, plot moves etc, before.