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I made a mistake not looking on the backside of my parking ticket. They don't display prices at the entry hut. got a big surprice when i came back from BKK after 5 days.

Anyone has bad experience leaving the car on the Road?

The gas station in Rawai with the green leaf is the Lemon Green. I don't recall now, and I couldn't find the thread here in TV, but either PTT or Lemon Green on one of the Chao Fas filled one of their underground tanks with petrol instead of diesel or vice verse. They had to pay to fix a bunch of engines. TIT. Stick with Shell.

I don't like Shell in Chalong since they don't have 91 anymore, and my bike runs best on 91. Plus I have always found them very unfriendly there. Am not too fond of Lemon Green, but it is closest to my home since they moved the Rawai Esso?, and I have never been ripped of there. PTT Kata has friendly attendents, so I prefer to go there if possible.

Why don't you ask Don directly instead of publicly posting a gripe here and hoping he stumbles across it?

HE is not posting a gripe but asking a question, that's what the forum is for among other things. I noticed the shop had very little stock the last time i was there and when i asked the assistant when they would be getting new stock she did not know, why should anyone have to go and ask don personally.

This might be the one where there are more shootings, knifings and robberies.

This could be applied to any big city or town anywhere in the world. It's all just a matter of common sense. Don't get drunk in an area you don't know, don't get into an arguement (especially with strangers), and steer clear of dubious neighbourhoods.

I think the question is: where are those dubious neighbourhoods?

IMO: none in Patong (or on Phuket), it is not like in some big cities where there are areas where I would not like to come because of safety reasons.

Coming from Kata: in the corner to rawai, just before Icon, go straight. First road to the left, after about 300 meters on your right hand side.

They have yellow lightboards on the main road and where to turn left.

cdmtdm, I totally agree with you, which is why I mentioned them already some pages back in this thread.

I have been visiting them since 2001, and always had good experiences.

Is the 7/11 closed permanently then? It looks to me like they are just making some changes.

@ the op: there is a sign on the building saying it will become a Lotus Express. A quick look would have settled your curiosity.

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I live "around" that area and dont have a problem, could it be you

Yes, Julapan is very well stocked, affordable and also good for e.g. xerox.

I live in Rawai. Close to a nice beach, close to Kata where I work, nice community, relaxed area, I live away from any bars so quiet, close to Kata where I work, and more affordable than Kata (at least when I moved in).

And at this point in yet another pointless thread relating to the racism engendered and encouraged by the those who have vested interests in keeping the local populace ignorant of the world and it's more enlightened practices toward those from countries other than their own, I would like to sincerely thank the poster on another thread who reminded me of the 'ignore' button. La gon HooWoo. No point in attempting to educate pork

Why the need to abuse others who don't agree with you?

Don't do what the poster above said, but simply drive around on your bike. The prices will be much lower then, and you will see there are quite a few (basic) bungalows for rent in that price range.

So does any one know whether it will be a full size like near the one near Phuket town, middle size like Rawaii and Chao Fa east, or Express like new one in Kata?

No I don't but I wish they would stop, a cartoon by Matt about a year ago makes the point well:

Excuse me officer but how do I get to the bus station? Easy Madam, walk along the high street and turn left at the Tesco, keep walking until you see the Tesco and turn right, go past the Tesco on the left , over the bridge and the station is in front of you, opposite Tesco's.

Excuse me officer but how do I get to the bus station? Easy Madam, walk along the high street and turn left at the 3rd 7/11, keep walking until you see the 2nd 7/11 and turn right, go past the 7/11o on the left , over the bridge and the station is in front of you, opposite the 3rd 7/11.

You can go by ferry, it will be running.

He got a good deal for that piece of land.

It all depends how you look at things. If you want to find racist things, you will find them anywhere in the world.

It is not the concept that is difficult to grab, it is the attitude of some people (living) here that I find difficult to grab. I try to enjoy life, other people seem to have a different view and look for the worst in everything they meet/see.

I have seen with my own eyes that some people are charged more than others at Penny Lane. And The Dam is not a local market, Albert Cuijp would be more like it. A friend of mine has a market stall in Delft at the market, also quite a tourist center, and yes, there can be a price difference.

I don't see BTW why it would not be a valid comparative. In both cases it concerns a foreigner, the only difference being that in Thailand a foreigner is recognised by his looks, in the UK etc. that is not possible.

But the principle is the same: in a lot of instances foreigners pay more than natives, whether it be US, UK, Europe or Thailand.

"the only difference being that in Thailand a foreigner is recognised by his looks, in the UK etc. that is not possible"

Yes, yes, "in the UK etc. that is not possible" and for that very reason it is not valid. I'm sorry if that's a difficult concept to grasp.

Substituting "will pay" for "can be" in the two posts still doesn't help the hot air either.

Passed Viset Road, as usual, and noticed that the part one lane seems to have disappeared? Was past it before I realised it, but that is perfect, finally. Now only the bad road surface 100 meters further direction Rawai, where with every drop of rain the road floods, and we're all clear there.

I have seen with my own eyes that some people are charged more than others at Penny Lane. And The Dam is not a local market, Albert Cuijp would be more like it. A friend of mine has a market stall in Delft at the market, also quite a tourist center, and yes, there can be a price difference.

I don't see BTW why it would not be a valid comparative. In both cases it concerns a foreigner, the only difference being that in Thailand a foreigner is recognised by his looks, in the UK etc. that is not possible.

But the principle is the same: in a lot of instances foreigners pay more than natives, whether it be US, UK, Europe or Thailand.

Most posters seem to be completely missing the point. We're not talking about flashing your stupid Thai driver's licence at a bloody litter stewn waterfall most non Thais living here will probably visit once or twice in ten years, neither are we talking about some 'lestalaunt' showing 'Thai and 'falang' food' options with the Thai menu being cheaper than that which is poorly translated into English.

We're talking about the fact that there you are, standing on a bloody market stall/mom and pop shop, for chrissakes, and getting charged more than the Thai standing next to you, purely by virtue of the fact that YOU ARE WHITE. Geddit? Some of my Thai friends do, and are embarrassed by it. Jeez ...

It is clear to me, and I think most posters, that is what you are saying.

What I'm saying is: true to a certain extend, but not as much as a lot of posters here are saying.

On the other hand, I am saying that the same thing happens all over the world, where shop owners are trying to make many of people perceived as tourists. Somebody arriving at Kennedy Airport gets a different treatment if he speaks English with an accent and will pay more for a transfer into town, somebody who does not speak Englishi will pay more for something for sale at Penny Lane, somebody trying to buy Stroopwafels at the local market in Amsterdam will pay more if he does not speak Dutch.

These things happen, not all the time, but sometimes, yes. Just as sometimes people looking like tourists here on Phuket will pay more at whatever store.

Yes, but what sort of intelligent argument is that if one tries to back it up with clearly spurious claims?

"somebody who does not speak Englishi will pay more for something for sale at Penny Lane" ...Is neither true nor a valid comparative.

"somebody trying to buy Stroopwafels at the local market in Amsterdam will pay more if he does not speak Dutch."..Dear oh dear, if I may point out the ridiculous tenet of this statement. I visit the Dam at least once a year and have never observed this practice you claim. The prices for such items are displayed in Euro's and therefore your wallet and intelligence are unlikely to be insulted.

This is not todays news by the way, but was discussed already about 2 weeks ago, maybe even longer.

Most posters seem to be completely missing the point. We're not talking about flashing your stupid Thai driver's licence at a bloody litter stewn waterfall most non Thais living here will probably visit once or twice in ten years, neither are we talking about some 'lestalaunt' showing 'Thai and 'falang' food' options with the Thai menu being cheaper than that which is poorly translated into English.

We're talking about the fact that there you are, standing on a bloody market stall/mom and pop shop, for chrissakes, and getting charged more than the Thai standing next to you, purely by virtue of the fact that YOU ARE WHITE. Geddit? Some of my Thai friends do, and are embarrassed by it. Jeez ...

It is clear to me, and I think most posters, that is what you are saying.

What I'm saying is: true to a certain extend, but not as much as a lot of posters here are saying.

On the other hand, I am saying that the same thing happens all over the world, where shop owners are trying to make many of people perceived as tourists. Somebody arriving at Kennedy Airport gets a different treatment if he speaks English with an accent and will pay more for a transfer into town, somebody who does not speak Englishi will pay more for something for sale at Penny Lane, somebody trying to buy Stroopwafels at the local market in Amsterdam will pay more if he does not speak Dutch.

These things happen, not all the time, but sometimes, yes. Just as sometimes people looking like tourists here on Phuket will pay more at whatever store.

Doesn't a shoot out require shots fired from both sides?

I addressed your statement and explained why it was, in my opinion, "laughable". Didn't you read the rest of the paragraph? The gist of my reply is that the Thais will, when useful or convenient, adhere to a more strict enforcement of rules than Western standards would dictate. The preoccupation with unrelated details, copies of documents, etc all create an illusion of accuracy and completeness (that in reality does not exist), but demonstrates their ability to adhere to a strict enforcement of protcol when they wish to...

Again, the following is my rationale why I disagree with your statement:

The Thais can be very "anal" about enforcement of the most petty, insignificant laws when it serves someone's agenda, is convenient and/or especially when applied to a non-Thai. Selective law enforcement is a whole other subject. I suggest you research the matter prior to making comments on this subject and/or live in Thailand for another 10 or 15-years.

Ok, let me expand my claim: Thailand is not ready for our 'western strict enforcement of traffic rules. After all, that is what we are talking about here, or not?

Feel free to "expand" your claim or "change" your claim anyway that makes you happy but my response was relevant in either case.

My statement and other comments regarding Thai law enforcement apply to all laws, including traffic laws. What I've described is a "mindset" that prevails throughout the entire Thai legal system.

We disagree.

I addressed your statement and explained why it was, in my opinion, "laughable". Didn't you read the rest of the paragraph? The gist of my reply is that the Thais will, when useful or convenient, adhere to a more strict enforcement of rules than Western standards would dictate. The preoccupation with unrelated details, copies of documents, etc all create an illusion of accuracy and completeness (that in reality does not exist), but demonstrates their ability to adhere to a strict enforcement of protcol when they wish to...

Again, the following is my rationale why I disagree with your statement:

The Thais can be very "anal" about enforcement of the most petty, insignificant laws when it serves someone's agenda, is convenient and/or especially when applied to a non-Thai. Selective law enforcement is a whole other subject. I suggest you research the matter prior to making comments on this subject and/or live in Thailand for another 10 or 15-years.

Ok, let me expand my claim: Thailand is not ready for our 'western strict enforcement of traffic rules. After all, that is what we are talking about here, or not?

This replaces my previous post which in error noted that vehicles exiting Soi Sai Yuan turning left onto Wiset Road are going south (actually it is north) and vice versa:

I don't think you understood what I wrote. I wrote "drivers exiting Soi Sai Yuan". Drivers exiting Soi Sai Yuan, either turning right (south) or left (north) many times do not yield to traffic on Wiset Road. Your reply seems to indicate that I was referring to drivers southbound and northbound on Wiset Road.

I am aware that Thai drivers have different "standards", which is why I made reference to Thai drivers. The overwhealming majority of bad drivers in Phuket are Thai, not falang. I maintain that Thai drivers are typically very aggressive and not extremely polite as you suggested. The sad reality is that most Thais do not know the "rules of the road" and have very little "kreng jai" once they're behind the wheel.

I don't expect the Police to start enforcing traffic laws in Phuket during my lifetime, nor do I expect the OrBorTor to replace those stop signs. I have lived in Thailand long enough to know that changes come very, very slowly.

Bad/good dirvers: depends on your definition of bad/good. I tend to agree in general with you, but a lot of foreign drivers don't adapt to the Thai system, which makes them dangerous. But IMO Thai drivers, at least away from Bangkok, are not aggressive.

I am NOT saying fines would not work as a deterrent, if you read what I wrote I am saying that I think that in Thai society higher fines would not be accepted. I also wrote: 'The island (and country) are not ready for our western strict enforcement of rules. That is one of the reasons I am living here BTW.'

Thailand is not ready for our "western strict enforcement of rules".... That's laughable.

Let's juts say we have a different view of Thai society?

As requested I have transfered the old posts from the other topic. If some as missing, sorry. That's the best I can do ...