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  1. Will be interesting to see just how far it goes. As well as Leavers, I think a great many others never, ever, want to see another referendum as long as they live.
     
     


    At a guess they will announce it will be debated which will be done in Westminster Hall rather that the main chamber headed up by some junior minister with little or no publicity or press attention.

    The deadline on it isn’t until 1st Feb so unlikely to see anything scheduled for while.

    Another Brexit petition which has gone over 100k ends 18th Nov and they announced yesterday it will be debated on 19th Nov which will probably go unnoticed as well.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/219905





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  2. I have to disagree with you completely there.
     
    The UK and France declared war on Germany because they invaded Poland and the 2 powers had signed a pact to do so. Finland OTOH actually fought on the side of Germany against Russia before finally changing sides in 1944 to join with the Russians.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Finland_during_World_War_II#Lapland_War
     
    If you had listened to Nigel Farage he was certainly not abusing heroism by grandfathers but pointing out the realities of what happened then. I doubt that Nigel Farage is a coward even though you do.
     
    I also served the UK for 25 years from 1960 until 1984. By the time Nigel Farage was eligible for military service at the earliest in 1984 the UK forces had drastically slimmed down and required far less people so he chose a different career.
     
    How many of your EU heroes such as Juncker, Tusk et al have ever served in the military?



    Can’t stand Juncker myself but you are being a tad unfair questioning Tusk not doing military service since it was hardly a viable option for him in Poland given his opposition to communism, involvement with Solidarity and being imprisoned under General Jaruzelski.


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  3. If thats the case then all the remoaners will sign it as well


    Can’t see it making a lot of difference along with the 200k petition to rescind Art.50 if Vote Leave broke Electoral Law, 145k asking for a referendum on the final deal, 141k to leave EU immediately or 113k to ensure a leave option is included in a parliamentary vote.

    Get the feeling these petitions don’t really have much effect.


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    Stop possible second referendum on E.U. membership

    There is a growing band of people that want to reverse the result of the democratic vote of this country to leave the European Union and are calling for a second referendum. This is mainly by the people that lost the vote two years ago and cannot accept the democratic vote of the majority decision.

     

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226071

     



    You are actually calling for a debate in Parliament about their being a second referendum - has this been thought through?


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  5. Why does the Thai Immigration office not verify the applicants income themselves???
    Sounds crazy, I know, but they would be doing the same thing as an embassy, and they have exactly the same powers that the embassy have to confirm the income. (ie. none)
    Oh thats right they're too stupid, too lazy, and expect other people to do their jobs for them. 



    They don’t verify anything themselves but require verification from another authority. I am on a marriage extension and as well as the letter from my bank verifying my bank book balance is correct they require a form from the amphur to verify my marriage certificate is valid and photos of me and wife in house to verify my address is correct.


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  6. One wonders over what period of time the Baht 65,000 deposits per month need to be shown. In the past they seemed to be only interested in seeing banking history for the three months prior to applying for an extension. 



    Would assume long enough to show it made up at least 800k a year ie. 12 months, or ppl would not bother going the deposit route if they just needed 195k of transfers over three months


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  7. The EU’s project for ever-closer union trundles on – now with its aims for imposing taxation law on sovereign countries. Fiscal union is considered to be one of the late stages of unification. Maybe now is a good time to get out after all.
     
    “The European Union is drawing up plans to control Britain’s tax policies ­after Brexit, leaked documents seen by The Daily Telegraph disclose.
     

    According to draft documents, the EU wants to ensure the UK pledges to keep its tax rules aligned with those of the bloc as part of any future Brexit agreement.

    Such a move would prevent the UK from becoming a low-tax economy by cutting its corporation tax rate to attract business. And – depending on the wording of any agreement – it could mean that any future changes to the EU’s tax rules would need to be followed by the UK, even years after Brexit.

     

    The document was written by the European Parliament’s TAX3 secretariat following a meeting with the Brexit Task Force, the EU negotiating team led by Michel Barnier, last week.”

     
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/19/revealed-eus-attempt-control-britains-tax-policies-brexit/



    The irony being that they would not have been unable to do this had we remained part of the EU without the U.K. agreeing to it through a referendum.


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  8. Timetables were not mentioned on the referendum. The only mandate given by the majority was to leave.
     
    You ignore my point, at the same time apparently absolving Cameron of responsibility, which I'm sure he was happy to release himself from. However, he pledged a referendum in the 2015 GE if negotiations with the EU on reforms turned out badly (which they did); that pledge gave him a GE win and majority without the Lib Dems. He also pledged to honour the result of the referendum and the only way he could do that was to stay on and see it through. Cameron got away with all this far too easily.  
     



    My point was also that the referendum set no timetable - that was entirely down to TM and should not be put on Cameron’s head.

    If you think I am trying to absolve Cameron you have misunderstood me as I think he must carry a fair proportion of the blame for the mess things are at the moment but, equally, TM must also take responsibility for what has gone on since she took on the leadership.

    I have never been a fan of Cameron and voted for David Davies to be leader over DC when I had the opportunity though, in hindsight, not sure if he would have been any better.


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  9. No. He is at fault for having no exit plan in the event that leave won and that he actually kept his word to deliver Brexit. He never said in advance that he would quit as PM if the vote was out, did he? 


    The mandate from the referendum set no timetable for leaving the EU but left it with the govt to come up with a plan for leaving so it was reasonable for Cameron to step down at the point and let the Tories pick another leader to come up with this plan - unfortunately they picked TM by default without members getting a vote because Leadsom, a leaver, stepped aside. There was nothing to stop TM coming up with a plan and getting her ducks in a row before triggering Art50 but instead she rushed in and set the clock running without that plan in place and the called a GE wasting more of that valuable time and failing to get a solid mandate for her exit plan at the ballot box.

    Personally I am appalled at what the Conservative Party has become with one shocking decision after another all due to party being put before the good of the country. Having being a member for many years previously which I let lapse when I moved to Thailand It will take a lot to get me to vote for them again.


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  10. Here the missing link for the photo it was a march in  Manchester 2015 Before Brexit
    The security for a 2015 EDL demo in the city which attracted 400 of their supporters cost about £250,000.
    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/there-been-more-members-sugarbabes-15306865


    It was yesterday in Manchester.


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  11. 2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

    Most UK companies tried to influence in what direction their workers voted prior to the referendum the issue for many workers is when these companies were asked to provide a commitment that they would remain in the UK for a long term period the same answer always came back "We currently have no plans to relocate our operations" which means nothing as next week or 1 year later that statement might change.

    Would Ford relocated its Transit  production back to the UK if remain won. Unlikely

     

    Not sure the Ford money was that influential on the transit move - they were already making them in Turkey, it was a low interest loan from the EIB rather than a direct handout which they paid back for 180m and they also received 450m for UK around the same time. 

  12. 55 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

    Parking in a no parking zone is also against the law too. That doesn't mean they should report in the news when someone gets a parking fine. News stories over such trivial matters like this makes important stories seem less important, and wrongly creates an impression that foreigners are dangerous criminals.  

     

    The original story lacks quite a few details. The Pattaya News story I linked to gives more details and this guy was only one of 20 that were picked up on that night in spot checks mainly on Walking St on tourists/foreigners who were held at Soi9 until someone brought their passport for them - three overstsyers caught.

  13. I am not sure we are anymore enlightened on either the risks of staying in or leaving it appears the establishment didn't like the vote so have tried to frustrate the process of leaving. The government before voting day issued a booklet of properganda to aid the remain cause (12 million pounds of pro remain dribble) it clearly stated we would have what remainers term as hard Brexit, but is infact simply Brexit. The Government clearly told us the risks and that we would leave all institutions of the EU, so we voted for a hard Brexit in fact. Now just because the EU wouldn't compromise on their principals (I don't blame them) we should simply leave on WTO rules sign our own trade deals save what will be 15 billion pounds in contributions and receive due to EU imports a profit of 7-9 billion pounds on the tariffs the EU would have to pay us. Therefore we would profit by 20-25 billion a year. When we leave we also avoid the liabilities the EU builds up on our behalf such as the suposed 28 billion divorce bill. And the fact the EU budget is now set vastly above its income.
     
    As to what I think your point is, the Brexit referendum was the largest democratic exercise in British history, if we had anouther referendum, (I don't mind if we do as think it will be very close again either way as don't see much option change in the real world) supose remain won, would we then in two years more time have anouther so we go best of three? MPs pretty much all voted for the referendum, and subsequenly for article 50 and there is likely to be serious unrest if we don't leave.
     
    Additionally, the EU are funding (and we're before Brexit) in Slovakia over 125 million euros to build a Jaguar factory, that's not very fair to encourage a British manufacturer to shift production from the UK. They did the same with Ford who moved transit production from the UK to a EU funded factory in Turkey.
     
    I do respect your remainers view, but there are serious risks in continuing with the EU project, which doesn't get a fair hearing.



    You seem to have a basic mis understanding of tariffs - they are not paid by the originating countries but by the importer into the UK and effectively a tax on the consumer ie. prices would need to rise here to cover it.


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  14. LOL biggest crock post i've read yet. EU can't do anything to secure any of their borders in Europe in regard's to smuggling, Immigration and anything else that affects so called EU border's. That is what is not difficult to understand. Too many people have opinions about hings that do not directly affect them.
     
    Maybe they should get their own border's sorted without bothering about other borders.
     
    No matter what happens with Brexit it will never be an acceptable agreement on any side.
     
    Britain has gone it alone before and im sure it can do again. Blow up the channel tunnel will be the 1st good start. Then EU wont need to worry about that border. Put a hard border back in Ireland that's problem solved there. Not as if these borders were not in place before and not as if they cannot be put back in place.



    Steadily moving from Canada+++ to No Deal to the new North Korea Brexit option I see.


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  15. 11 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

    The usual wild optimism that still pervades Brexiteer thinking. 

     

    Also, any expats on this forum are likely not to live in Australia.

     

    Not sure where you are coming from with that comment - I am hardly a brexiteer and the item is from a report to a committee of the Australian Parliament. Their thinking is that this would bring an extra 1b$ a year into Australia which would clearly be an additional annual  cost to U.K. if they can push it through as part of an FTA.

     

    Though not directly effecting expats in Thailand it does have the potential to put more impetus behind the campaign to get this looked at on a worldwide basis particularly it other nations also request this in negotiations.

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