jerrymahoney

Fine. How many federal cases have you prosecuted? Ms. Ouziel said this is not a slam-dunk case. You sure wouldn't get that notion from reading the posts on here.

Smith lets indictments speak for him Updated August 3, 2023 at 4:43 p.m. EDT Legal experts said that much of the election conspiracy case is likely to center on a question of intent — essentially, whether Trump believed his false claims while pushing to have the election results overturned. And that, they said, could pose a challenge for Smith and his team. “It’s certainly not an easy case, it’s not a slam-dunk case,” (Lauren Ouziel, a former federal prosecutor in Manhattan and Philadelphia who is now a law professor at Temple University) said, “because it really comes down to mental state, to intent.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/03/jack-smith-special-counsel-trump/ https://archive.is/LAVZf

True but I have been told by mods that even with a public non-copyrighted document I can only post 3 sentences plus heading.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23898465/protectiveorder.pdf

I only posted that 200K option to show the word "consecutively" with the notion that any future grandfathering change might contain the same provision.

From the 04AUG23 GOVERNMENT’S MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER as referenced above: The Government’s proposed order is consistent with other such orders commonly used in this District and is not overly restrictive. It allows the defendant prompt and effective use of discovery materials in connection with his defense, including by showing discovery materials to witnesses who also agree to abide by the order’s terms. All the proposed order seeks to prevent is the improper dissemination or use of discovery materials, including to the public.

Yes but also note the word "consecutively" (click on image)

Not saying it's always easy but not worrying about something happening until it happens.

Or at least say that they do.

No -- When I wrote "Friends of the agents?" I was referring to the "Thai officials who clandestinely aid them."

Friends of the agents?

So this is likely the final message I will receive on my bar-coded envelope sent to a 7162 PO Box at Wilkes-Barre and a -7162 Wilkes-Barre zip code suffix sent via registered mail -- same as last year with no 2nd mailing.

Maybe Dan Quayle was the only former Vice-President Pence knew.

Because he is the same Mike Pence as the Mike Pence in the OP. And the NY Times headline for the article on the same Indiana State Fair interview is: Pence Says Trump Pushed Him ‘Essentially to Overturn the Election’ The remarks are some of the former vice president’s most pointed about what happened in the lead up to Jan. 6, 2021.

No. In Court he would just offer his testimony under direct and cross examination. His statement is that, even with such testimony as he might offer, as an attorney, there is no certainty that the government can obtain a conviction against Trump on the current charges.

Pence may be witness #1 against the current 4 charges. If you read some of the comments on here, it is like they are deciding what brand ketchup Trump should be served in prison. Anyone who thinks these criminal charges are slam-dunk material, should care what Pence has said above.

Pence also said in the NY Times version of that Indiana State Fair interview: “I don’t know if the government can meet the standard, the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt for criminal charges,” he said.

Pleading 'Not Guilty' at an arraignment only means he /she is not going to plead 'Guilty' as charged. Nothing more.

And then, during the (1980 debate with Carter) , Reagan posed what has become one of the most important campaign questions of all time: “Are you better off today than you were four years ago?” https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/are-you-better-you-were-4-years-ago There still may be too many disillusioned and deluded persons in 2024 to scare the h. out of me.

Just remember he's a fool who once got himself elected President and, the way things stand right now, it's possible he might do so again. ... and, to me, that's the more frightening prospect than the outcome of any of his legal tangles.

Aug. 3, 2023, 4:32 p.m. ET It’s also no surprise that prosecutors did not require Trump to surrender his passport or attach any other serious condition to his release. The same thing happened in the Florida case. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/03/us/trump-arraignment-news

I like the way she backs into the Mercedes so she doesn't get her hair caught in the door.

Pence Says Trump Pushed Him ‘Essentially to Overturn the Election’ The remarks are some of the former vice president’s most pointed about what happened in the lead up to Jan. 6, 2021. By Maggie Haberman Aug. 3, 2023 “I don’t know if the government can meet the standard, the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt for criminal charges,” he said. “But the American people deserve to know that President Trump and his advisers didn’t just ask me to pause. They asked me to reject votes, return votes, essentially to overturn the election.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/03/us/politics/pence-trump-election-jan-6.html https://archive.is/d14Hg

Not long island bridge. George Washington Bridge, Ft. Lee, New Jersey to upper Manhattan. Closed some entrance ramps due to 'maintenance'.

I was just trying to the comments of Trump attorney Lauro in the NYTimes article which is mostly about debunking the free speech argument. The is a 100 year case history to that 371 statute and anybody who comes on here or elsewhere and says this is a slam dunk jury trial should think again.