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Studies show that the Fox “News” audience are consistently the most ill informed viewers of all major media, dwelling in an alternate reality of fake news and conspiracy.
The gaslighting has weaponized ignorance & convinced viewers that fake news is real and real news is fake.
They are very effective at what they do.
I have long suspected they are broadcasting subliminal messaging. “Subliminal messages are visual or auditory stimuli that the conscious mind cannot perceive, often inserted into other media such as TV commercials or songs.”All one really needs to do is listen in on a conversation of Fox viewers or read their comments on social media to determine SOMETHINGS WRONG.
After the civil war, historians will trace the seeds of the discontent to the day Fox News was launched.
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I suspect the primo stuff will be grown under lights indoors to control the day/night light ratio that triggers flowering.
At least that’s what a friend told me…????
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Go check the comments on the Fox YouTube channel to see the serious damage Rupert Murdoch has done to the United States.
Are Americans really that stupid or is the Fox comment section full of Russian GRU instigators?Probably both.
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2 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:
Yes, they did. And unless there is a plea agreement that eliminates the need for a trial, the government is going to lose these cases.
I believe the most likely reason these charges have been brought............. is because of all the grief they've been getting because there HAVEN'T BEEN any "serious" charges-----charges concerning insurrections and coups!
So they came up with this really serious sounding, bogus charge!
"No, no, no! It's not just Conspiracy............ it's Seditious Conspiracy! (This essentially means they TALKED ABOUT the principles and rights described in the Declaration of Independence!)
If I were their attorney, how would I approach it?
Well, sometimes, religions gets put on trial by the government. When that happens, one of the most effective tactics is to put the judge in a position where if he wants to rule in favor of the government........ he effectively has to declare that there is no God!
Since judges won't do this, the religion almost always wins!
Were I the Proud Boys attorney, I'd be trying to do essentially the same thing.
I'd try to put the judge in a position where he has to declare the principles and rights described in the Declaration of Independence........... are invalid!
And if the judge didn't want to do that and instead attempted to assert the principles and rights still apply, but don't apply to THIS CASE............. he effectively has to say, "As part of 'the governed,' you have these rights. You're just not allowed to talk to each other about them!" And no judge is going to do that!
The DOJ needs to look like they're doing something......... so they're doing this. But this approach is a loser from the git-go!
They are undoubtedly hoping, hoping, hoping-beyond-hope they can finagle a plea deal out of them!
Cheers!
Mitch McConnell called January 6 "a failed insurrection."
You should get a job teaching constitutional law somewhere. All these lawmakers, prosecutors and FBI agents could sign up for your class.
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22 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:
Defending democracy depends on ACCURATELY assessing the facts and actions, and ACCURATELY charging and punishing those involved, according to those facts.
Overstating the facts for feel-good rah-rah reasons............ is NOT how one defends democracy!
"Seditious Conspiracy" only means a group of people TALKED ABOUT IT. It is a bogus charge.
The bogus nature of the charge of "sedition" is why Congress repealed one law, and why the Supreme Court threw out another. There is very little room for a valid charge of "sedition" ........ in a country that has a First Amendment!
And there's virtually no justification for a charge of "Seditious Conspiracy".............. in a country whose very existence effectively began with the Declaration of Independence!
Either the Declaration of Independence proves that a charge of "Seditious Conspiracy" is blatantly hypocritical............... or............ the charge of "Seditious Conspiracy" proves that what's declared in the Declaration of Independence........... is pure bull-poop!
It can't be both!
Cheers!
Quick! Call the FBI and Attorney General and explain things and tell them they are doing it all wrong…..because they indicted the Proud Boys for seditious conspiracy.
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4 hours ago, oliverX said:Democracy depends on people who understand the worth and ways of democracy. Trump supporters - like their hero Trump - obviously do not.
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4 hours ago, oliverX said:Factual reporting is much more interesting than that tripe you are being fed.
FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WEBSITE January 13 2022:
Leader of Oath Keepers and 10 Other Individuals Indicted in Federal Court for Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
Eight Others Facing Charges in Two Related Cases.
June 6, 2022;
A grand jury has accused Enrique Tarrio and four associates of seditious conspiracy in connection with the riot at the U.S. Capitol on January 6.
-But what we don't know is how close the DOJ might be to that next level, indicting the funders and organizers of the political rallies in late December and early January 2021.
We do know the FBI has been investigating. We're really waiting to see what happens next.
Remember; Attorney General Merrick Garland has vowed to go after anyone accountable for January 6 at, quote, "every level."
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Interesting, numerous Republican lawmakers that played a role in the insurrection approached Trump & sought pre emptive pardons.
No doubt many Trump associates, including his kids, attorneys and lawmakers are walking around with a pardon in their back pocket.
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14 minutes ago, Berkshire said:
Absolutely not. When Trump first became POTUS, he at least "tried" to govern. He put competent people in key positions. But most of them wouldn't do what he wanted because his orders were either illegal or against the national interest. Trump won't make that mistake again. He won't care if they're competent or qualified, only that they will follow orders. Sort of like what a dictator would do. Just look at Putin. We see Russia through the illegal war in Ukraine. But the corruption there has permeated through that entire society. That's what I worry about for the USA. It's not just a dem/rep thing. When there's corruption at the top, they'll be corruption all the way down the chain-of-command.
The people with integrity fled the scene pretty quickly.
One of the early ones to go was Rex Tillerson who called Trump <deleted> Moron.
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25 minutes ago, Berkshire said:
There are times I wish Trump was still on Twitter. If he was, knowing how impulsive he is, he'd probably attack his own daughter. But after these hearings, Trump will have a long list of new enemies....all people inside his own administration.
If Trump does get back into office, he will stack his cabinet, FBI, CIA, with Q Anon, MAGA whack jobs, crackpot lawyers and he will go berserk with revenge.
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3 minutes ago, heybruce said:"Ivanka Trump, the daughter of former President Donald Trump and a senior adviser in his administration, told the Jan. 6 select committee that she “accepted” former Attorney General William Barr’s assessment that there was no evidence of sufficient fraud in the 2020 election that could have overturned the results." https://www.yahoo.com/news/ivanka-trump-told-jan-6-committee-that-she-accepted-her-father-lost-election-011357007.html
Oh....Daddy won't be happy with his little girl. I wonder if he will stop wanting to have sex with her.
Everyone knows Trump lost...except for the morons.
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30 minutes in… case closed.
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8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:I'll never understand the obsession the left have with Jan 6th
All in all, I couldn't care less about the Jan 6th protest. The committee is illegitimate because there are no proper republicans on it to offer reality and counterargument just RINOs Kinzinger and Cheney. An absolute travesty of justice.
OK here's the reality. McCarthy committed to hold Trump accountable with an investigative commission.
Mcarthy the coward then flip flopped and decided he didn't want to see an investigation when he learned the West Wing staff and Trump himself will likely be indicted when the facts emerge so pulled his Republican picks from the committee. (Republicans Kinzinger and Cheney have some integrity and joined the investigation on their own.)
It's a legitimate fact finding commission.
We know you're favorite channel won't be showing the hearings and you don't want to watch the public hearings because you might learn something.
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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:Can you accept that Biden and Hillary both saying Trump is illegitimate, and a 4 year soft insurrection trying to overthrow his Presidency by ridiculous impeachments, media harassment and violence countrywide even going as far as creating autonomous zones like Seattles CHAZ, that for you to now say we must respect elections and democracy is a bit rich.
Substantiation for Biden claiming falsely that Trump was an illegitimate President.
https://www.insider.com/joe-biden-says-he-agrees-trump-is-illegitimate-president-2019-5
Ditto for Hillary
None of what you posted is true.
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Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3 million but he claimed he won the popular vote. “It is as rigged!”
(He also claimed the primary state elections he lost were rigged!)
The pathetic crybaby President even set up an election fraud commission to prove he won.
The commission came up with zilch and quietly disbanded.
In 2020 he lost by 8 million but he’d rather see the country burn than admit he lost.
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1 minute ago, heybruce said:None! That's how we know it didn't happen.
Seriously, do you believe the nonsense of a stolen 2020 election and that the CIA killed JFK?
Hey. We have moon landing deniers in this forum. Hopeless fools. You’ll never convince them of anything.
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41 minutes ago, heybruce said:
No question at all. If there were evidence of an unfair election, Trump and his army of lawyers would be going nuts with it.
What evidence of an unfair election is there?
The evidence?
He’s referring to a list of bogus election frauds drafted by Rudy Giuliani after Trump lost.
Rudy concocted a bizarre list of fraud…. 10,000 people here voted twice, machine switched the votes there, underage voters, illegal aliens voted, suitcase stuffed with ballots, thousands of dead people voted for Biden…boatload of fake ballots from China were counted.
Then Rudy distributed the bogus list to the usual suspects in the right wing echo chamber, Fox, Hannity, Tucker etc, Breitbart, OAN, NewsMax, Ben Shapiro, Candice Owens, etc.
Rudy’s law license was suspended for making demonstrably false and misleading statements to the courts and public at large.
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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:
Yes, but the question was about whether it was a fair election , not about who won or not
You’re being silly.
Trump has severe mental problems and would not accept the fact he lost by 8 million votes. Even after the Justice Department, Homeland Security, Election Cyber Security, White House Lawyers, 60 lawsuits that were laughed out of court and the Secretary of State in all 50 States confirmed the results as legitimate.
YOU are confused because you believe Trump and right wing media.
Many Republicans are going along with the big lie as an excuse to draft new voter suppression laws and stack State election offices with unethical immoral stooges willing to throw out the results in the next election.
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Anything is possible. The Warden will have some 'high earners' under his control.
Years ago, there was a story in the Bangkok Post about a Warden releasing the convicts during the day to go to "work" ..., even ordering the guards to loan the prisoners their motorbikes for the commute.
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When Mike Pence told Trump he wasn’t going to play along and take part in his coup, Trump turned on him.
"'No, no, no!' Trump shouted, 'You don't understand, Mike. You can do this. I don't want to be your friend anymore if you don't do this.'"
I can picture Trump in his Superman pajamas throwing himself on the floor, in a temper tantrum, kicking and screaming at Pence like some spoiled 3 year old who doesn’t want to go to bed at bedtime.
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2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:Trump would get things moving, and would go places, unlike the senile ragged doll ????
ok he was a bit noisy and controversial, but at least the world was a better place with him, and would expose world leaders hypocrisies on climate change
we need more leaders like him, maybe not as loud, but as bold
Trump is a moron.
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29 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:Pretty funny you went back over a year to find anything favoring biden. For some laughs google Saudi snl biden skit
Fox knows the undereducated people are natural prey, easily manipulated targets for con men, scammers and sitting ducks their propaganda.
The viewers like to feel good about themselves when they believe they have access to information that other people don't necessarily have.
They convince themselves that everybody else is some kind of sheep. They are in possession of information that other people don't have and gives them a feeling of superiority when in fact, the world views them as massively ignorant.
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12 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:
Please post a link to anyone who thinks biden has done well on the world stage. You won't do it because it's not possible. You'll only come across stories of his blunders.
Can always spot the Fox viewer in the comments.
America’s Image Abroad Rebounds With Transition From Trump to Biden.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/10/americas-image-abroad-rebounds-with-transition-from-trump-to-biden/CEBFAA0A-E473-4094-81BE-5A2FB988143D.webp C858282B-9D51-47B2-9B19-7D2B95F69F85.webp 739308B1-E19B-448E-B30B-FC85C643878D.webp 40EBC91C-CAB4-4DC1-9693-8C551A8FB1D0.webp FE46B9D5-133F-4B3B-BC47-B5F5DCE2ECA9.webp
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Jan. 6 committee says probe shows Trump led and directed effort to overturn 2020 election
in World News
Posted · Edited by LarrySR
January 6 incident, arrest #863
Yesterday, the FBI arrested a leading Republican candidate for Governor of Michigan Ryan Kelley for his alleged role in the January 6th Capitol riots.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/09/1103925150/michigan-candidate-for-governor-ryan-kelley-arrested-by-fbi-for-jan-6-involvemen
The charges:
violence against a person & property
damaging Federal property
disorderly conduct
entering restricted grounds
Kelley was part of a crowd that tried to disrupt the certification of President Biden as the winner of the November 2020 election. The evidence includes photos and videos of the insurrection that were posted online.