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On 4/26/2020 at 12:45 PM, Peter Denis said:

That statement is notably incorrect.

The video from those 2 doctors (who talk a lot of sense i.m.o.) is available on YouTube, as well as hundreds of other other videos that challenge the main-stream views and opinions.

In fact, videos that are not 'approved' and are taken of YouTube (or never make it there), use the label 'Censored by YouTube' as a badge of honor to boost their number of viewers on other channels.

Let me be 100% clear > I am allergic to the Dark Conspiracy Theories. 

And so I have some mixed feelings after watching this Video.  In the first 45 minutes of the video those 2 doctors talked a lot of sense and it is more than worthwhile listening to their arguments based on their experience in the field.  But in the last 10 minutes when they didn't stick to their practical medical expertise anymore, the creepy conspiracy beliefs raised its ugly head again.  I also looked at part-2 of that interview.  It's only 12 minutes and yes sir the dark agenda of the Deep State was there again...

For sure I will find myself between a rock and a hard place with this opinion.

The 'regular' science guys will dismiss me embracing the common sense medical approach those 2 doctors advocated, and the conspiracy guys will challenge my naivety for not buying the dark conspiracy narrative.

So be it.

 

interestingly enough the video is gone now...so something not good is going on

8 minutes ago, rickudon said:

And all the 'flu is just as bad' believers NEVER mention that they are comparing one years deaths to 2 months for Covid-19. The final death toll will be over 100,000 for the USA, and that is WITH all the quarantine and isolation efforts. Without? A lot higher. Hard to tell yet, because so many deaths/infections not known, but expect that in 2021 death statistics will rank this as worse than any flu year since the Spanish flu.

If everyone wore masks in public in and outdoors, used hand sanitizer and had temp checks regularly as a general policy maybe we wouldn't need as much quarantine and isolation? Of course, the mask issue is also up to debate. I think the success of the Asian countries is partly the cause of ubiquitous use of masks in public. Good tracking and testing is also necessary.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But but but the flu.

 

Unless you can find a parallel world in which there was no lockdown and social distancing response to the Coronavirus your line of argument is meaningless.

 

Coronavirus is a different disease to the flu, spreading under entirely different circumstances.

No it's not but but but the flu. I was just wondering how many more people that people think will be dying. Of course, you are right we can't find that parallel world and study it. I'm not arguing a point per se. I know it's a different disease.

2 hours ago, GalaxyMan said:

It would seem that COVID-19 is 2-4X as lethal as the 'regular' flu. This is only through the first four months of the year and it's just getting started in India, Russia, and Africa.

 

The race is on to find a drug that is both effective and safe for treating COVID-19, which has spread to 3.1 million infections and caused 220,000 deaths worldwide.

Correction on the numbers in my prior post since I could not reedit it.  Globally, 1 billion cases of the flu per year 3 to 5 million severe cases and up to 250 to 650k deaths. I was quite surprised by the number of severe cases and total cases, but was aware of the deaths. Will be interesting to see how much higher covid will be. Are you thinking death tolls in the millions?. : https://www.who.int/influenza/Global_Influenza_Strategy_2019_2030_Summary_English.pdf?ua=1

1 hour ago, GalaxyMan said:

It would seem that COVID-19 is 2-4X as lethal as the 'regular' flu. This is only through the first four months of the year and it's just getting started in India, Russia, and Africa.

 

The race is on to find a drug that is both effective and safe for treating COVID-19, which has spread to 3.1 million infections and caused 220,000 deaths worldwide.

Yes it seems well worse although some bad flu seasons infect 5mill and can kill up to 650k globally. Will be interesting to see how much worse. I see valid points on both sides. Some say there is over reporting and some under reporting of deaths. Some sources say it mutates a lot, some say it doesn't. It's hard to know what to think. However bad it is, this global lockdown needs to gradually end by end of June (areas with severe epidemics left out of the mix) with some smart preventive measures or other really crazy things will start happening in addition to this.

Yes, interesting article.

5 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Not so scary if Sweden has reach herd immunity then it's a lot more difficult for the virus to spread.It's the countries that do the lockdowns that delay herd immunity that will have problems for longer than Sweden.Also Sweden hasn't devastated it's economy and will be in much better shape than those that chose the lockdown route like the U.S. and Thailand. 

I think he meant scary for the countries that haven't reached herd immunity and interact with the Swedes.

8 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

I think we will tread a careful line of opening up the lockdowns whilst observing social distancing to get the economies moving again but for sure I cannot see a return to a new normal until we get the vaccine. Herd immunity may not be proven but it is pretty scientifically accepted that once you have it and your body recovers you generate anti bodies from the virus, for how long we don't know. Some vaccines you have once in your life others once a year, this is a new virus so we don't know for sure yet. This is what I think sounds likely, but of course we will all know over time. Stay safe.

 

Well the new "normal" might be people out and about working with masks on, using hand sanitizer, having temperature checks, Having less physical contact, but with a society that can function in some way. And of course, much more fast and relatively inexpensive testing so we really understand what is going on. I saw Taiwan has developed one machine that can do the test in 15 minutes.

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

So-called herd immunity is just a theory, and a currently unproven theory, as it relates to the current CV... Just this week, the WHO posted that there has been no scientific or medical proof / study / research thus far showing that the public at large, once infected by the current CV, can't become infected again later.

 

Yes, I am aware of that statement which may or may not be true, but we can't stay like this forever. We need to find a way to continue to live. Staying in lockdown for 1 to 2 years waiting for a vaccine which may not come makes no sense. However, I have read of some success using one on monkeys by researchers at Oxford just today.

3 hours ago, Kerryd said:

If I was a cynic (and a pessimist) I'd say that as the headline noted 9 new cases, they probably didn't do more than 9 tests.

For everyone touting Sweden, take note that they only test people "with the most severe symptoms" despite knowing that you can carry the virus (and infect others) without showing any symptoms at all !

It has been a criticism of other countries as well (like the UK) that they only test those showing severe symptoms. One reason being is that it makes the total number of infections seem lower.
For example (again) - Sweden shows a very low number of infections but even the government's own Health Service estimates that by next month (May) 26% of Sweden's population may be infected !! (Some experts estimate if could be as high as half the population.)

And the current "buzzword of the day" is "flatten the curve". Many places are more worried about making it appear that they've "flattened the curve" (reduced the numbers of infections and/or deaths as shown by various graphs and charts) than they are with actually testing the population, which would screw up the graphs.

 

Well if those are the real infection rates in Sweden, then the fatality rate is much lower than we have been told and they are well on their way to achieving herd immunity.

I found cached data from April 26 which includes Thailand. : https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GorX7nlqFd8J:https://people.sutd.edu.sg/jianxi_luo/public_html/COVID19PredictionTable20200426.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=th&client=firefox-b-d

Page 2 number 6.

Just now, GAZZPA said:

even if the virus is gone in Thailand it is not almost everywhere else. It is good for the people of Thailand as they can get back to work but the tourism will not return any time soon. As I think everyone knows now we can't stop the coronavirus, we have to wait for an effective vaccine. 

The problem is the effective vaccine may be just as effective as the flu vaccine, which helps protect against last year's variants, but not the current mutations. Some places I have read say covid doesn't mutate much. Other places say it mutates a lot. The reality is we will need to find a way to live with this while protecting ourselves and developing herd immunity. Vaccine may work out well, but may not. Eventually we need to get back to some normality. Shutting the world for 1 to 2 years cannot work, a few months sure ok. Certainly the reintegration can start with the places that have it currently under control.

15 hours ago, lopburi3 said:

EVA to London 3 times a week until May 4 and appears once a week after that.

Source US Embassy today.

That has been being canceled. Transits in Taiwan are canceled indefinitely.

So it appears I should probably got to MTT tomorrow to make sure my under consideration stamp is changed to valid to. I will be taking a taxi. Where exactly should I be telling him to take me? Its Thanon Popula in Nonthaburi, Muang Thong Thani. What is the building called?

26 minutes ago, at15 said:

how will this work.... I have a flight to Thailand in May. So on a visa exempt I will also be extended automatically until july 31 without having to go to immigration  or is this only for people caught back in march ? 

 

I don't think there will be any flights coming in for visitors in May.

3 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Suspended until 30th July now.

 July 31

2 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Yes go. That looks like a yearly extension and is mandatory. 

It's a covid extension when he had date past March 26th for original length of stay. He was being a good boy not overstaying. He did it at CW

6 minutes ago, zeusbheld said:

Reuters copied it word for word... including "Reuters reports," apparently. 

seriously, go look:

https://www.rt.com/newsline/486433-thailand-visa-extension-foreigners/

It's in the government website on the cabinet meeting April 21. point 9 deals with it.

https://www.thaigov.go.th/news/contents/details/29468

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

Hmm, Thailand probably locked to foreign tourists until 31/07/2020 then, damn I need to escape from the UK ????

Maybe. Or they are they are giving plenty of time for things to start opening up, and people be able to go somewhere without a tsunami of people all going to IOs or airports and borders at the same time.

5 minutes ago, audaciousnomad said:

Just went there. Apparently they quickly took the link down. Maybe their server was getting hammered. ????

More details: 9. Notification of the Ministry of Interior regarding the granting of permission for certain foreigners to be in the Kingdom in special cases (No. ..) The
                    Cabinet has approved in principle the notification of the Ministry of Interior regarding the permission of certain foreigners to stay in the Kingdom. The Kingdom is a special case (No. ..) as proposed by the Royal Thai Police (Royal Thai Police) and has to be submitted to the committee to examine the draft law The Cabinet examined Then proceeded. The
                   Royal Thai Police proposed that
                   After the announcement of the Ministry of Interior regarding the granting of certain class of foreigners to the Kingdom on 7 April 2020, it has come into effect. It is to alleviate the suffering of foreigners affected by the epidemic situation of the coronary artery disease 2019 or Covid 19 disease when traveling in or out of the Kingdom. Including being able to stay in the Kingdom to a certain extent Especially foreigners who are allowed to stay in the Kingdom temporarily according to the type of visa. (Including VISA on Arrival) and aliens who are allowed to stay in the Kingdom temporarily under the visa exemption rights (Asst. 30 / Asst. 14 / Asst. 30 / Asst. 90) which stipulates the period of permission to stay in the Kingdom will end Since March 26, 2020, has been extended to stay in the Kingdom for the first time From March 26, 2020 to April 30, 2020, no need to continue to apply for a temporary residence permit under Section 35 of the Immigration Act 2522, including notification of residence under Section 37 Of the Immigration Act B.E. However, due to the extension of the granting of such aliens to stay in the Kingdom, it will end on April 30, 2020, but the epidemic situation of the Coronary Infection Disease 2019 or Covid's Disease 19 in Thailand and in various countries All regions of the world However, if the extension of the period of temporary residence permit is not extended further Will cause many aliens to travel to meet the immigration authorities To process a temporary stay in the Kingdom and / or notify a residence Until it may result in congestion Squeezing closely among the aliens at the immigration office Causing a broader risk of the spread of coronary infections in 2019, or Kovid 19 Inconsistent with measures and guidelines for the prevention and control of the spread of coronary diseases in 2019 or Covid 19
                   Essence of the draft announcement
                   1. To extend the period of permission to stay in the Kingdom of foreigners who are temporarily allowed to stay in the Kingdom according to the type of visa. (Including VISA on Arrival), aliens who are allowed to stay in the Kingdom temporarily under the visa exemption privileges. (Phor. 30 / Phor. 14 / Phor. 30 / Phor. 90) under Section 35 of the Immigration Act 2522 (including under the Petroleum Act 1971 and as amended) Investment Promotion Act B.E. 2520 and amended And the Industrial Estate Authority of Thailand Act B.E. 2522 (1979) and as amended) or according to the relevant Ministry of Interior Notification under Article 2 (1) of the Notification of the Ministry of Interior, regarding special permission to allow certain classes of aliens to be dated On 7 April 2020, before 1st May 2020 until 31 July 2020
                   2. To extend the notification period for residence under Section 37 (5) of the Immigration Act 1979 or according to the relevant Ministry of Interior Notification under Article 2 (2) of the Notification of the Ministry of Interior regarding the granting of permission to certain foreigners Particulars in the Kingdom is a special case dated April 7, 2020 from May 1, 2020 to July 31, 2020.

3 minutes ago, audaciousnomad said:

Just went there. Apparently they quickly took the link down. Maybe their server was getting hammered. ????

I got to it on chrome using google translate    9. 9. Draft Notification of the Ministry of Interior Re: Permission for Certain Aliens to Stay in the Kingdom in Special Cases (No. .. )

1 minute ago, Benitostacos said:

I hope this is real! ????

Yeah it will really bring a lot of people's stress levels down, which will also help our immune systems.

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

Assuming this turns out to be fact then for once I'm happy to praise Thai gov.

Doing it this way will avoid crazy period prior to end of amnesty. With that amount of time one would expect some borders open and folk can plan next step.

Good move Thai government.

Yeah it's about time they got their heads around this.