vermin on arrival

4 minutes ago, Caldera said:

That's horrible and will only get worse once more people will need to commute to work again.

 

Yes it is. Some better way needs to be found to get things going, but we can't all live in caves for the next 2 years.

2 minutes ago, dastardlyDan said:

thanks but am interested in vietnam

You could probably check online to see if tickets are on sale for next month, but of course that doesn't mean the flights will happen. Try an airline other than Thai.

4 minutes ago, dastardlyDan said:

you got a link with info for that?

Seems unlikely yet. Maybe next month or July. No tickets to Taiwan this month, but are on sale starting June 1st. However both EVA and China Airlines BKK offices have said uncertain if it will be allowed and ban may continue.

4 hours ago, Selatan said:

Maybe you have missed this:

French coronavirus strain may be local and may not have come from China

That's really interesting.

Interesting quote from the article "Khmer Times spoke with an Emirates representative because the carrier plans to resume flight in June has introduced on-site rapid finger <deleted> tests for the virus at its Dubai Airport Terminal which can produce results in under 10 minute. In addition, the carrier requires passengers to wear their own masks when at the airport and on board the aircraft, and follow social distancing guidelines." This is the kind of test that will help air travel to resume.

1 minute ago, dabhand said:

This is in the Cambodia News section............

Yes, but Thai cannot fly there if international travel is still shuttered. Same for EVA; it seems unlikely they will fly outbound to cambo without having inbound returns as well especially with transit still banned in Taiwan.

4 minutes ago, HHTel said:

But this has nothing to do with Thailand.  The headline implies that flights are running from Thailand.  In fact all international commercial flights are banned for the whole of May.

The OP is saying they are scheduled for June and July. Of course, being scheduled and actually happening is a different story. The ban may very well be continued here and elsewhere. I purchased a June 1 China Airlines ticket to Taipei in my desperation to leave here and get there (I bungled my attempt to exit in March 18 when Taiwan shut down). The BKK office said they don't know if the flights will take place and were advising people to wait until the end of this month to purchase (like 4 days before). I asked her is it 50/50 and she said yes, but I think she just wanted to say something positive and not say probably not.

On 5/3/2020 at 4:56 PM, Krataiboy said:

Far from arguing against myself, I'm arguing (as I consistently have) against the fallacy that wearing a mask will protect against becoming infected by the COVID virus.

 

The tiny gaps in mask materials are large enough for any virus to easily penetrate. Also, wearing a mask for long periods - particularly one of the cheaper varieties or a scarf -is downright unhealthy, as loose fibres can be inhaled and cause respiratory problems.

 

A mask IS useful is when used by an infected person, or a surgeon in an operating theatre, as it stops saliva and other potentially germ-laden fluid from being sneezed or coughed into the air.

Not scientific but Taiwan Health Ministry credits their low number of infections and deaths to mask usage by the population.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3927810

1 minute ago, chessman said:

I think the early models that suggested the huge shortfall in ICU beds were based on the data from Italy (and China) but nowhere else had such acute pressure on the healthcare service.

And really the ventilators were bad treatment. Putting people on them was almost a death sentence with covid.

3 minutes ago, bartender100 said:

They are keeping it in case there is a second wave, good job they built it in my view, it could have easily been needed

agreed.

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, if we think about how many lives has been ruined, how many businesses destroyed, perhaps we can say that the cure was worse than the disease.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/?fbclid=IwAR1AA44Dpk9DpBgAz9i9dx8wemfxJSmS92kVtXxoGpvPni1zehowWFe5Dqg

Maybe. I have been crushed by it.

8 minutes ago, bartender100 said:

The much hyped Nightingale hospital in London has been mothballed only ever treating 56 patients

Yeah it's kind of shocking they set up a special facility with 4,000 beds and it has been shut down.

1 minute ago, ParkerN said:

40 positive out of 311 tests is not 30%. Or did I read it wrongly?

 

 

No it's not. Nice catch. It's around 13%. Maybe this is the confusion of 13 and 30 in non native speakers.

From the Nation "Regarding reports that 40 people were found to be infected in Yala, Taweesin said the cases were found during Yala’s proactive testing. He said 311 people were tested of whom 271 were negative and 40 were positive. However, the provincial health officers doubted the positive result because of the high rate of 30 per cent when the average rate is 4-5 per cent. “The cluster finding was good news. However, more data needs to be analysed and all will be retested,” said the spokesman. "After the process, this piece of information will be reported as soon as possible," he added."

24 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If the borders are not open by August then they might extend the current "amnesty" IMO the will open before August unless Laos and Cambodia have a high infection rate then.

If they open, won't we be required to have covid free certificates and 100,000USD insurance? Of course, who knows...

7 hours ago, Tounge Thaied said:

The numbers are fairly equal now across the flu-covid spectrum. So are we now going to expect that every year we are going to shut down the world because the numbers are the same as the flu? And why have we never shut down the world for the flu deaths? This covid shut down is all bs. Take a look at how Taiwan handled this. They are neighbors with China and did no lockdown at all only 400 deaths. 

only 400 case....5 or 6 deaths

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

So study after study confirms that Vitamin D levels make a difference to treatment of Covid 19, now it looks as if it may influence who gets the virus:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8277775/People-low-levels-Vitamin-D-likely-die-COVID-19-infection.html

 

Of course if that is the case, if sunshine and Vitamin D play an important role, then keeping people cooped up inside and out of the sun was the worst possible idea.

Been taking 10k IU of liquid vitamin d every day since this started.

34 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Australia and nz are proof it has worked. They are starting to open up and have declared the virus beaten.

 

US And UK were reluctant and are still on the rise.

Hong Kong, Taiwan, and South Korea seem to have beaten it without lockdowns so there may be other factors at work, and lockdowns may not be a necessary component and other factors such as masks, testing, tracking, travel restrictions and quarantines etc. may be a better way to go. But certainly Aus and NZ did a great job. US and UK seemed to be reluctant to do anything useful.

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its just common sense lockdowns work. Isolate people in their homes so they cannot go out = less spread = less deaths. Thats just logic pure and simple, you don't need proof to make that claim.

 

The bigger question is how well they work compared to other models. Lockdowns have severe collateral damage in every sense, to people, economy just about everything and are probably false economy if you had followed a better approach.

 

With hindsight then I would say South Korea is a model that all countries should have adopted, high testing, high contact tracing, rinse and repeat. Not a magic cure but worked so far. I'm sure although that was expensive to initiate, in the long run it is cheaper than a broken economy and all the excess deaths.

interesting article on lockdowns which @sucit posted, but his post seems down. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/04/62572/

28 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

So you can’t back up your claim. Quelle surprise 

 

This the claim you made by the way

 

“There is absolutely no evidence lockdowns or social distancing works.“

This article he posted gives a good argument against the efficacy of lockdowns if you read it. It was interesting. It does speak to the effectiveness of quarantines, mask wearing and school closures, travel restrictions, etc. Or are you just saying that since you presented evidence that there is evidence? or he has to prove that there is no evidence?  https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/04/62572/

2 minutes ago, chessman said:

Sorry, I quoted you in that initial post but I didn’t mean to be confrontational. I agree with you completely about their potential financial motivations, just for some issues (like people being worried to get testing done) their financial advancement does coincide with what would seem to be for the general benefit of all.

No worries. Agreed.

6 minutes ago, chessman said:

Even if you disagree with their figures and their comparisons to the flu, what they are saying about people missing tests, hospitals having to cancel tests and people avoiding hospitals for other medical treatments does seem to be true. Lots of reports about this from other countries too.
 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/29/extra-18000-cancer-patients-in-england-could-die-in-next-year-study

 

this should be something that health care systems should be looking at and trying to address immediately

I agree. I am just trying to decide the reasoning behind this critique "As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health"

I think both my parents 85 year old mother with non hodgkins splenetic cancer and other issues, and my 93 year old father with multiple conditions who are in seclusion in their home in NJ now could become people in that situation. Hiding from deadly a potentially deadly case of covid, and then dying while in seclusion from a different illness because no one is there to help and afraid to go to a hospital.

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It may have been taken down from Youtube because of this which gives a very different view on those doctors:

 

ACEP-AAEM Joint Statement on Physician Misinformation

Joint Statement issued on April 27, 2020:

The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) jointly and emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19. As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.

COVID-19 misinformation is widespread and dangerous. Members of ACEP and AAEM are first-hand witnesses to the human toll that COVID-19 is taking on our communities. ACEP and AAEM strongly advise against using any statements of Drs. Erickson and Massihi as a basis for policy and decision making. 

 

https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/

 

 

And the financial interest would be to get people to not be afraid to come to their clinics for tests and health care?