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1 hour ago, spermwhale said:

Totally agree. It's a moronic argument. The other one is that the flu kills more people every year than COVID-19 has. Yeah! In sheer numbers but if we let down our guard we'll have a situation like New York City. ...

 

And actually, if you look at just the statistics so far this year from Jan 1., Covid is killing many more people than the flu in the US.

@Peter DenisWhat do you think about my post #232? Thanks.

Yes I think you should start another thread to try to debate and parse the meaning of the decree. It is not helping to clarify anything for me and gives me more posts to scroll through while trying to understand what is happening.

Just found out that MTT is now closed. People in BKK should return to CW.

2 hours ago, renz said:

@uberfarang, when you went back with the "under consideration" stamp" what documents did you have to bring and did you have to pay anything for extending till april 29th ? how many days was given for your first extension using embassy letter ? which building did you go - was chaengwattana or impact muang thong ?

He will reply I am sure, but from having followed it I believe all he needed was his passport. He didn't have to pay since he already paid when he submitted his emergency covid application. He went to CW counter J because his was from a TV(SE?). Am i correct uber? I think I will need to go to MTT since I got mine from visa exempt stamp.

25 minutes ago, ANDREW999 said:

Due to my own experience (already came back to IMM office after under consideration stamp), I can only answer you the last part: you only need to bring your passport that day you go back there. Nothing else. No photocopy, no photo.

 

I also brought the receipt of payment (those 1900 you paid when they stamped you under consideration) but i wasnt ask for it. So, up to you.

 

I recommend you to go. We are starting to have a common understanding here that "under consideration" people needs to attend to imm office. If we are wrong, you will discover it by yourself, and I hope it's empty enough so you can get things solved fast. And dont forget to ask them if now you are eligible for the "automatic thing". And please let us know! (my covid extension ends on April 25).

 

 

Is there a special queue for the under consideration people. Or do we go to the same one as other people in our visa category?

13 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

That's exactly correct. For first day I posted that folk with "under consideration stamp" did not need attend immigration. 

I WAS WRONG.

That in my opinion what is great about Thaivisa. Folk posting front line experiences. As a group we eventually work out what's required to assist. 

Heck I'm doing retirement extension November. Very easy for me.

However hurting for some folk now not in easy situation.

Ok one last question. Since my original entrance was visa exempt will I need to go to temporary immigration at MTT or do I go back to CW?

3 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

That's not what @DrJack54 is saying.  An under consideration stamp is NOT a permission to stay, so you need to return there April 23rd to get the permission to stay stamp.  Once you have that permission to stay stamp the amnesty announcement will be applicable for you.

He did say do nothing actually so I am a little confused tbh.

53 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Ha. Yes your one of the "overlap guys".

Fact is you obtained normal 30 day permission of stay. Think for sure your current permission of stay ends ~April 26.

Do nothing. 

So the fact that my emergency covid extension says under consideration to return on April 23rd, you believe I won't need and they will sort out their thinking on this since I was already good to March 29 with my first visa exempt extension. Yes, I am super stressing out, but not just from this, and thanks for your thoughts.

18 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Case 1. Your permission of stay expired after March 26. Do nothing.

Case 2. You obtained a "covid extension" meaning second 30 day extension and were given stamp "under consideration". Then return back to imm on required date as indicated in pp to obtain your permission of stay stamp. Even if very late April.

Case 3. You obtained your first extension (normal extension) and it's expiring after march 26. Do nothing.

After that do nothing. 

My first normal extension expired on March 29, but I went on March 26 to get emergency covid extension to avoid overstay so case 2 and 3, but I assume case 2 preempts case 3.

47 minutes ago, uberfarang said:

That's actually what I asked the officer, if I was now covered by the "after March 26 amnesty", she said no and that if want to stay in Thailand after April 29, I have to come again and apply *with another letter from my embassy*. So even if the "under consideration" is converted to a "permitted to stay", it does not "upgrade" you to the automatically exempt group. The March 26 seems to be a hardcoded date related to your original visa expiry date, not extensions of permit of stay.

Your original expiry date? You mean the first one without a normal extension? And then continuous emergency extensions necessary without being automatically exempt and constantly needing new embassy letters even though many embassies are stopping giving them due to the amnesty? Will the US embassy continue to give them?

14 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Your present status is 'under consideration' which is not an approved permission to stay.

Even though you were eligible for the automatic extension (your original permission to stay being after March 29) you applied for the emergency extension (which was wise to do so in the absence of info) and so you according to your present status you must report back on April 23. 

You would then receive your permission to stay stamp, and would be at least legit till April 30 (which by then will probably have been prolonged).

I would advise you not to take any chances, having to explain to an immigration officer why you did not report back.  

So then after I get a legitimate stamp, I should have rolling extensions? Do I need additional embassy letters? Do I report to MTT of CW as it was off of visa exempt status?

22 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Your under consideration stamp is not a permission to stay.  You therefore will need to visit IO on 26th April, and - when approved - you will get your permission to stay stamp.

Once you have that stamp you are exempt from visiting IO till 30th April (which will probably be prolonged to a later date, as the situation requires).

 

 

I had a valid permission to stay until March 29 (which would get an automatic extension). I went to MTT on March 26 to get an emergency extension so as not to be on Overstay. I am under consideration emergency covid extension and must report on April 23 (which would not). Do I have an automatic extension or not?

13 minutes ago, William Osborne said:

Some guy who helps outs in CM IO just posted on FB, amnesty covers all visas including under consideration....he did point out this was for CM only....but should be same for everyone.

But he also stated that that was only for CM IO and could not be inferred as policy elsewhere when the discussion included this thread,

On 4/4/2020 at 2:10 PM, BritManToo said:

Disagree, where I live in Thailand, outside Chiang Mai, the rice will still grow and the chickens will still lay eggs.

I'll be missing out with my trips to Vietnam and Cambodia, but my home life will be much the same.

Maybe a few problems with VISA extensions.

 

But Bangkok may not be that great a place to be living.

I was 11 days away from being out of here for good....sigh...I blew it

1 minute ago, uberfarang said:

Could be but I doubt that me (on the other poster) are the only one who experienced "miscommunication". The office wasn't totally empty, the people before and after me at counter J weren't turned away either, I didn't check their stamps so I can't speak for them, but it seemed to me pretty much business as usual. I am afraid there won't be a lot of other feedbacks to confirm or infirm this because very few people showed up today at the office.

Sure. Makes sense. Why would people come? They thought the extensions were automatic, especially after checking the dates on their stamps, and they want to avoid possible infection.

@ubonjoe So my original date to exit was March 29 using extension of visa exempt. I went on March 26th to get an emergency covid extension so as not to overstay at MTT. I got an under consideration stamp until April 23rd. Do I need to go again or do I have until April 30th? I would think I have automatic extension, but these two reports are worrying, and I am wondering if CW IO has the discretion to interpret it differently.

So my original date to exit was March 29. I went on March 26th to get an emergency covid extension so as not to overstay at MTT. I got an under consideration stamp until April 23rd. Do I need to go again or do I have until April 30th?

1 hour ago, rabas said:

So you blame Xi? If not then WHO?

Oh Xi deserves the primary blame. He dropped the ball/covered it up first. We can only really guess at what the true progress of the disease was in China, and the real numbers are. I am baffled about what the WHO's real role is. It doesn't seem to have done a good job and is so political in its appraisal of things. Then when it comes to how another nation reacts to the situation, the main fault or praise would go to the head of state because no matter what the advisors say, that person makes the final decision. At a certain point, when one saw the progress of the disease elsewhere (South Korea, Iran, Italy none of whom seemed to take it seriously at the beginning), it was obvious that the statistics coming out of China were not true and that we all were in for a rough ride.

Doesn't it depend on the date of the last stamp of legal stay. I have an under consideration of emergency covid extension report April 23rd, but my extension before that was valid until March 29. Or will it be up to the IOs discretion? Mine is CW.

11 hours ago, rabas said:

Nice graphic. But you ruin it all by not putting it into perspective before you go all political.

 

Six core European countries have equal population to the US. They are UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, and Switzerland.  Some with low fatality rates. Lets see how they are doing today:

 

Deaths= 7,988+2,349+10,869+15,238+18,279+2,523 = 57,246

US = 15826   WOW!

 

So your math is worse than Trumps.

Nice crunching of the numbers. I suspect the China ban helped delay the explosion of the disease in the US. It seems premature to give the US a wow for it's covid case fatalities.

I don't think it was too political to put the lion share of the responsibility on the person in charge. It really seems like there was good deal of preparation time wasted in the US, which really could have have made one say wow (as in Taiwan, Vietnam, Hong Kong, and Singapore type of wows-these are the real wows in my estimation). Maybe you can verify if they are all as good as I think they are.

In any case, we shall see were it ends up in the end. I don't think the end result of the epidemic in the US will merit much praise although I hope otherwise. Have a good one.

  Having 3,000 people go door to door moving from potentially infected households to healthy ones will more likely spread the virus than contain it, What will be the safety protocols of the workers checking temperatures? Will they all have been tested for covid? Testing is the key. Checking temperatures is not really testing, especially with all the asymptomatic carriers. While checking temperatures at public places can be helpful, it doesn't make sense to go door to door to do this when you are trying to get people to stay at home and practice social distancing.

  When will Thailand find the funds to have an inexpensive testing program which minimizes contacts between people getting tested and the rest of society?

Interesting Graphic on current daily fatalities in America when people try to deflect from the grave threat that covid/wuhan flu is. We shall see how it turns out in the end.

Yes, plenty of buffoonery going around, but the buck stops with the man in charge. He made a good decision in the beginning, banning the entrance of Chinese tourists, which he was unfairly criticized for, but he thought that solved it and didn't use the time to prepare. Afterwards, he made many blunders. Unfortunately, the extreme partisanship many display makes a dispassionate discussion of the situation in the US difficult.

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