oldscool

There is one other thing I’d add to Mike Ritter’s eye-witness testimony. His experience seems to have been focused on Issan, to the exclusion of Nth Thailand, Central Thailand and the islands. But later research, eg by Zomia who I referenced in an earlier post, shows that different Thai landraces also have a history in those other regions of Thailand. I’ve tracked half a dozen of them mainly through twitter using Thai script searches which I've posted a couple of times in other threads, and I've reviewed their effects in other threads too. All the strains I've tried have the same excellent quality as the Thai stick that I enjoyed through the 70s. Contrary to some opinion, the strains have not been lost. How could they have been - they've been grown continuously in the same regions, despite numerous crackdowns over the years. Have a good weekend all.

By the way, I'm not suggesting that Ph and nutrients are not important, but it must surely be obvious even to non-growers that if you grow an indigenous species in its native soil then the condirions MUST be in the correct range. And this applies to all species of plants, not just marijuana. The hydroponics boom is probably largely responsible for the obsession with nutrient regimes, for obvious reasons. But clearly this does not apply to native species grown in native conditions. Try growing Thai sativa landracees outdoors in Afghanistan - it will be suboptimal. Try growing Afghani indica landraces outdoors in Thailand - it will be suboptimal. Try growing any landrace in Europe (apart from ruderalis) or Nth America - it will be suboptimal. Try growing Thai sativa outdoors in Thailand - the conditions are optimal.

Thai stick No discussion about Thai sativa is complete without talking about Thai stick, so I thought I’d post this fascinating archival interview with two of the key names from the early days of Thai stick, Mike Ritter & Peter Maguire, who recently published the book “Thai Stick: Surfers, Scammers, and the Untold Story of the Marijuana Trade” This youtube interview was streamed live on 18 Oct 2020. Youtube links may be blocked, if so just copy the URL and paste it into you browser. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOa20IYE5Nw I’m sure all of us oldtimers have Thai stick tales, but I don’t really want to derail the thread with lots of personal reminiscences, so suffice to say that Mike and Peter confirm that (1) Thai stick was a packaging method used all over SEAsia at the time, it was not a specific strain, though of course all the strains in SEAsia at that time were native outdoor tropical sativa landraces (which are still available as per my Zomia post earlier), and (2) it wasn’t dipped into anything. I’ll add that although I’m from a different part of the world from them, my experience of the mj industry morphing from hippy/surfer enthusiasts to organized crime (and now into big corporate business) is the same as theirs. It’s a long interview, I hope you enjoy it, cheers.

I'm not "slagging off" anybody's method nor advertising my own outdoor growing method, which I've already stated is still evolving. I was merely replying to the OP's topic about outdoor growing tips before others tried to hijack the thread. All, and I mean ALL hybrids were bred from natural landraces, and Thai sativa was foremost among these landraces. I understand than many people have invested money and time into tents and electronics and electricity bills, and for a variety of reasons, not least of all concealment in prior times. But the simple truth is that Thailand is home to the most influential native landrace marijuana species in the cannabis industry. (I'll be posting archive interviews about this on another thread next week). These landraces are plentiful here and perfectly adapted to the climate; they were and still are grown without any of the paraphernalia that the European and Nth American cannabis industries market to people who live in less fortunate climates which have no landraces of their own. Have a good evening.

I’m reluctant to take this thread further off topic, but in answer to the previous questioner and for the correction of some of the numerous misunderstandings about growing outdoor landraces in their natural environment – ie Thai landraces in Thailand : 1. I can grow Thai sativas outdoors year round in Thailand: they are natural 12/12 species perfectly adapted to Thailand’s year round 12/12. 2. The claim that outdoor grown buds are mediocre is strange. When I and many others here started smoking, there was only outdoor grown natural landrace marijuana, and all indoor hybrids and runts since then have been bred from those original outdoor landraces for the European and Nth American markets, mainly because Europe and Nth America have the wrong climates for natural marijuana, but also for the tent growers who are space-constrained (plus ruderalis for the real indoor runts). 3. Thai stick is unsurpassed. And the very same original Thai stick landraces are still grown in Thailand, as I have described in some detail in another thread. 4. Artifical nutrients are completely unnecessary today for natural strains, just as they have been for thousands of years. I can’t comment on whether they’re necessary for tent-growers growing artificial strains. But my guess is that the European and North American indoor cannabis industries has a vested interest in controlling seeds, nutrients, lighting, cooling, tents, fanning, and all the other things that are unnecessary for natural landraces grown in their natural enviroment. After all, there are no naturally occurring European or Nth American strains of marijuana other than the non-psychotropic ruderalis runts used to breed indoor strains. 5. Ph-ing the water or soil is another time consuming activity that artificial indoor growers seem to spend time and money on. But the evidence of thousands of years says this is not necessary for landraces grown in their native environment – eg Thai sativas in Thailand. Clearly some soils are better than others, but finding good soil here is not difficult. In rural Thailand, the water irrigation system is extensive, as you'd expect in a country where 35-40% of people work in agriculture. (No, I don't use tap water.) My soil and water are regulary tested by the Thai Ministry of Agriculture, as are all organic farms. Anyone can apply for such tests. 6. There are numerous organic methods of pest control and fertilization, and they’re in use by the many organic farms here in Thailand, not just cannabis farms. As for yield: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0sT7au8zQAdzLC7dPyULf1BkKkCvSK91TwDm1yPBv1HFRo7dDwKUDF56PmJ8yBZDbl&id=100083200937492&eav=AfZlLa6j6tR94ufFqos2E4FprqJ8g0t8GjcJuVdBNtBqcoUmT7ztri3W_ezV9X4N5tI&m_entstream_source=feed_mobile&paipv=0 (hope the link works for you, some people seem to be having difficulty with the FB links). In summary, I have 10s or 100s of thousands of years of nature on my side of the debate, and you have 3 or 4 decades of capitalism and big business on yours. Have a nice day.

It’s a fair question. Best to take it in 2 halves: 1. what is the current law; 2. what you try get away with. Re 1, the current law, it’s a moving goalpost; just yesterday [24/11] it was reported in that “The announcement was made in the Royal Gazette yesterday [23 Nov] and is effective immediately. The announcement states that the Ministry of Public Health has declared the THC-rich cannabis flower as a “controlled herb” with restrictions. Two big changes come as big blows to the industry… 1. Advertising the sale of cannabis flowers is prohibited 2. Cannabis consumption inside shops/cafes [eg dispensaries] is banned unless sold by a medical practitioner”. How the previously mj-friendly hostels and hotels would respond to this new edict is anyone’s guess. Re 2, what you try to get away with. Well that’s a personal choice, but all it takes is someone to complain to the hotel front desk that your smoke is disturbing them (currently an offence in law), and the management would have little choice but to respond, possibly by involving the police. I haven’t seen any news stories about this actually happening, so I have no idea what the real-world consequences would be, and I’m not interested in speculating. If I was a tourist, I’d play it by ear, maybe take a stroll along a reasonably quiet beach, or a busy beach if it was noticeably weed-friendly, maybe smoke on the balcony, but that would depend on what type of hotel I was in. cheers, good luck

The key to outdoor growing in Thailand is to choose the most suitable strains – naturally these are Thai sativas. Other tropical sativas would be more successful here than indicas or hybrids, but only Thai sativas are uniquely adapted to the Thai climate. Not only that, but Thai sativa seeds are very easy to come by. At the moment I’ve got about 50 marijuana plants in my garden, 45 are Thai sativas (5 different strains) and the other 5 are autos and hybrids. Needless to say the autos aren’t thriving on 12/12 light, but the green crack (sativa/indica hybrid) is doing very well at the moment, though I suspect that bud rot could become a factor later. About methods of growing. One of my favourite outdoor master growers on youtube has some excellent advice about increasing yield per plant – in his US state he is limited to 6 plants - and his results for hybrids are phenomenal. However, I’m not sure his techniques would be necessary or applicable to Thailand because (1) we’re not limited to 6 plants and (2) Thais sativa is perfectly adapted to growing outdoors here anyway. His techniques are also extremely labour-intensive and I just don’t have the time for that for 50 plants. Out of my 45 Thai sativas about half will turn out to be male, but this will still give me a far greater yield than would be possible in a tent in a condo or spare room over the same period of time. And zero electricity bills, no expensive or time-consuming nutrient regime, and generally far less hassle than tents. And as 1 or 2 of the very experienced users here have mentioned, male plants can easily be brewed into an effective tea. My method, which is still evolving, is simple: 1. germinate the seeds in soil in a very small plastic cup (from Tesco by the dozen). 2. transplant the seedlings to a larger plastic cup (Amazon coffee cups are the perfect size). I perforate both types of cup with a hot metal skewer so that the water can drain easily. Clear plastic cups are good at this stage because you can monitor the root growth easily. I water from the top, using the flood method that I borrowed from the master grower above: flood the soil with water , then let the soil dry completely - takes 1 or 2 days in this climate depending on the root size – apparently this is optimal for root development. 3. transplant the plants either to large final pots or directly into the garden. I also have a simple shade mechanism for the seedlings – for the rain, not the sun – which I can put up in less than a minute. Have a good day all.

Thaii Herb Centres is running its 64th training session this Sunday 27th. The courses used to be in Nonthaburi and cost 1,000 baht, I assume that's still the case. But anyone who's interested can check facebook themselves for the current details. The courses are in Thai and cover both growing and licensing, though given the current political reconsideration regarding licensing for recreational use I can't guarantee that the licensing part is still up to date. Have a good day y'all. https://m.facebook.com/thccenters/?__cft__[0]=AZVvj9qzZl26bPGQCCimRtMSii1K0cHFQ2k3-ep3NglVp6jh6Qyp1DR9F1ElQawznhbVYvuhk6Vtfur8-ChuUuGn6u-7FX9tMjOFApV2CVFtuyseNQHqrO9MUXDmOVGUVQYPWu2TAczsiZBrF9h_RLmRRexKDaKXPk_kh7ZGn_RKmLMvrN7cAzV8Y5f_Jk3zug0&__tn__=%2Cd-UC%2CP-R

Anyone interested in this 2 day event should click on the link provided, where they will find the location and description. Anyone who knows Chiang Mai will of course know Citylife, the co-host, and I'm sure Citylife could help if the link isn't working for any user here.

This Saturday the 26th The OT & Thai High Convention join forces to bring you a day of Music, Beers & Buds to celebrate the community vibes we love @ the annual "Citylife Garden Fair" https://m.facebook.com/events/838159634183760?acontext=%7B%22source%22%3A%223%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D&aref=3&eav=AfbAYs8FLk-CyIi09dxZQ--LyJSNcln74H5XtmrLi5Sl0aviIwYCnQPyUAKwmorAtUk&paipv=0

About paranoia, it’s always been part of marijuana culture for 2 very simple reasons: 1. In the bad old days smokers were busted, raided, stopped in the streets, incarcerated, fined, criminalised – hardly conducive to peace of mind; 2. High levels of THC affect the amygdala which plays a critical role in regulating fear-related responses, such as anxiety, stress, and paranoia. Experienced users who claim never to have encountered it in themselves or their friends in decades of use must have been smoking the wrong stuff.

If you're looking for green crack or organic marijuana, simply search on twitter กัญชาออแกนิค organic ganja กรีนแครก green crack I reviewed greencrack in more detail in one of the other threads. Very potent, outdoor organic, Price: 50g 670 baht - 13 baht per g

Large outdoor grows and seeds Today I’d like to say something about large outdoor grows and seeds. Large outdoor crops of native Thai sativa in Thailand can contain many thousands of plants, perhaps 20,000 or even more, covering entire fields or hills. These grows are from regular seeds, not clones or feminized seeds. Pollination is inevitable in grows of this size – that’s the way nature works - it’s essential to maintain the species by the creation of seeds. In practice however not all female plants will be pollinated, and some will be pollinated earlier or later than others, resulting in more or less seeds in their buds. So, when it’s time for harvest, some of the female plants will be seedless*, some will have a small amount of seeds, and some will be rich in seeds**. Male plants are another story of course***. Usually Thai suppliers will sell the seedless buds first, and the most richly seeded last. All of my purchases of marijuana in Thailand are from outdoor growers, I usually ask my suppliers for buds with seeds, and even if their current bud is seedless they are happy to include a pack of seeds from the crop for free. The beauty of this for me is that (1) I can be sure these seeds are fresh (2) the seeds germinate/pop immediately (3) I know the seeds will be perfect for this climate (4) I know exactly the effect of the mj that I grow from the seeds and (5) incidentally, the seeds are free, though this isn’t my main concern or reason for doing so. * I have not used the common term ‘sensimilla’ (Spanish for “seedless”) because there are numerous interpretations of what sensimilla actually means. I am using the original meaning of seedless-flowers-from-a-normal crop, rather than a strain that has been artificially engineered to not produce seeds. ** back in the day it was common to find seeds in mj (marijuana), they spit and pop loudly when smoked, so called “hot rats”, so common in fact that Frank Zappa is believed to have borrowed the term for his 1969 album “Hot Rats”, the link to Frank’s youtube video seems to be blocked, but interested readers can easily google it. *** as one or two of the more experienced users on this forum have confirmed from their extensive personal experience, male plants do have benefits other than their role in propagating the species: they can be easily brewed into a tea which has medicinal and/or “recreational” effects. I followed their advice and it works! Wishing everyone a good weekend.

How to grow Thai sativa outdoors in Thailand Thailand has the perfect climate for growing Thai sativa. This shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone, as Thai sativa has adapted over tens or hundreds of thousands of years for this climate, and grows wild here. So, what do you need to grow Thai sativa outdoors? Answer: Seed, Soil and Sun, add water, and apply patience. A machete and pickup are optional. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02nvuDd1tfEmtNVHwWkUGNcp9w1Z97cwkeB8zJxLbJexGXEmAVe3KqyJrQtSauQke1l&id=100083200937492&eav=AfaGLbMvmNkafFvrJd267Si4mo7vyyKTLMB3pJmVbON-yeD8mtsCW8-FBwDouQwd5vs&m_entstream_source=feed_mobile&paipv=0 I’ll add to some thoughts about growing Thai sativa outdoors in future posts. Have a good day.

Today I’d like to say something about Thai sativa yield. The yield of Thai sativa is often misunderstood by tent growers and even master outdoor growers in Europe and North America where conditions are not good for tropical species like Thai sativa. This video says it all. The strain is Kroeng Krawia, one of the landraces in my earlier Zomia reference. It floated into my feed this morning. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0sT7au8zQAdzLC7dPyULf1BkKkCvSK91TwDm1yPBv1HFRo7dDwKUDF56PmJ8yBZDbl&id=100083200937492&eav=AfZlLa6j6tR94ufFqos2E4FprqJ8g0t8GjcJuVdBNtBqcoUmT7ztri3W_ezV9X4N5tI&m_entstream_source=feed_mobile&paipv=0 Have a good weekend all.

Another good question Marcus. And I've been curious about it for a long time too. But I'm not sure anyone has the definitive answer to it, certainly I've never seen a definitive answer. My guess is that it's mainly the time factor for Thai sativa grown outdoor in Thailand, as there is no significant difference to the hours of daylight throughout the year. Maybe it's also something to do with the amount of direct sunlight, because in a natural outdoor grow some plants will be in more or less shade. Ruderalis landraces are from Eastern Europe and Russia so they must be affected by light change I guess, to a much greater extent than sativas or indicas. They are much smaller with no significant THC and I believe they were cross-bred with sativas (and indicas) to (1) allow sativa and indica to be grown outdoor in the northern latitudes of Europe and North America and (2) to make smaller breeds for indoor grows. Indica landraces are from slightly further north than sativas - Afghanistan and Pakistan for example - so they are naturally adapted to some limited extent a seasonal light change. I'm happy to be corrected on the above if someone has a definitive explanation.

Good question. Sativa grows naturally in 12/12, after all sativas are tropical landraces and they evolved for tropical climates with 12/12 light. The "flip" to 12/12 from 18/6 (or 20/4 etc) is merely for tent growers growing hybrids to mimic the seasonal change in the more northerly latitudes of Europe and North America. It's not necessary for sativas. Tent growers usually chose not to grow pure sativas because some can grow to 5 metres! Thai sativa grows year round here. Many growers like to harvest before the rainy season simply to avoid heavy rain damage, but it's not necessary. So the answer to your question really depends on how dominant is the sativa in the breed you're growing. But I wouldn't worry about it too much. Non sativas and autos will grow in 12/12, it's just not optimal for them.

Ok first off, let’s look at the native Thai species (landraces). Zomia https://www.zomiacannabisco.com/ have identified 11 Thai landraces, and it’s really worth checking out the photos on Zomia to see what an outdoor grow can look like and to see the different forms of the different Thai strains: Petnaree North Thailand Tiger Tail North Thailand Erawan North Thailand Meun Sri Southern Thailand Kroeng Krawia Kanchanaburi Thai Mango Issan Tanaosiri Petchaburi Daideng Issan Foytong Issan Squirrel Tail Issan Ko Chang Ko Chang I’ve managed to find and sample about 5 of these via twitter. It’s hard to be precise because local suppliers on twitter obviously write in the Thai language, and often use names that are not exactly the same as those identified by Zomia - it’s not just a case of making a simple translation. But the photos of buds and grows posted by suppliers clearly show different strains. Then there are some other strains, notably KDKT (KD Koh Tao native to Koh Tao island) which do not appear on the Zomia list, but which are well known within the Thai community and available on twitter. All of the strains I’ve located and sampled are of the same excellent quality that I enjoyed in the 70s. By the way, I’m not involved in any way with sales or distribution, so please don’t PM for sales Thanks.

Thai sativa is the holy grail for many users, including me since it came my way in 1970. Ok, so I thought that as this forum is dedicated to “all things related to Cannabis, THC, CBD, hemp and medical marijuana in Thailand” it would be a great idea to dedicate a thread to Thai marijuana and the various landraces to be found here in Thailand. I’ve received some PMs about this and I know there is a lot of interest in this topic. But it’s not just a personal tale: Thai sativa has played a leading role in the marijuana world since the 60s, in Europe and North America, not only because of the imports at that time but also because of the numerous hybrids that were developed from Thai sativa in the last few decades. I’d like this thread to be accessible to new users, so I ask for a bit of tolerance from experienced users who think we’re covering well known ground. I’m sure everyone will learn something from this thread including yours truly.

It is now an offence to cause annoyance by smoking mj in public, but possession is currently decriminalised and the cops have been told so. Though I'm not aware that anyone has been charged with the minor offence of causing an annoyance. Maybe you could test the water? Laphroaig is a bit peaty, Glenmorangie now we're talking.

Chaps all you have to do is copy and paste. And a smoke report is far more valid than photos. I'm surprised no one else has posted one. Given the abuse I've seen here directed towards suppliers by posters with clearly vested interests, I wouldn't dream of subjecting my favourite suppliers to that.

If you're really having difficulty finding good locally produced mj at good prices, and you're flummoxed by the Thai language, I'll complement the fishing rod I've already provided with some bait for the fish - dig the extended metaphor chaps. I assume the mods will allow me to use a few Thai words here with translation for this purpose. Try these Thai search words on twitter. You'll be able to pickup numerous other Thai language twitter hashtags from the multitude of results that you get. Bon voyage brothers and sisters. กัญชาออแกนิค (organic ganja) กัญชาog (og ganja) กรีนแครก (greencrack)

Squirrel Tail Thai landrace. Outdoor grow in Thailand. Bud (not pressed). 65 baht per g (14g 917 baht) This is the same quality as the excellent Thai Stick I smoked in the 70s. Pure Thai sativa. 4 tokes is enough for me – a fraction of a gramme; new users proceed with caution (take a couple of tokes and wait and see). As I mentioned a couple of times already, I go fishing on twitter using Thai language search terms. There’s a huge range of reliable Thai suppliers on twitter, much more so than on FB, Shoppee and LINE. There really is no need for me to single one out. They all have photos of their offerings. My original plan was to sample and grow from seed all the Thai landraces (there are about 10), but my sample set is now enough to last me for the next year, and I’m not planning to open a dispensary lol, so I’ll have to pause for a while. I know some of you are mad keen on the indoor rock crystal hybrid stuff that’s emerged over the last decade or two or three, and that’s cool with me, but natural outdoor grown landraces have always been my thing, and there’s plenty of it in Thailand.

Yes of course this is about “politics”. Politics is what they do in the National Assembly. The bill was withdrawn overwhelmingly because (1) it had morphed from medicinal use to poorly defined recreational use and (2) concerns from the medical profession over the huge increase in hospital admissions arising from recreational use. None of the major parties is interested in recreational cannabis. And BJT had no mandate for recreational use. No one here (including me) knows what the make up of the next assembly will be, or what may be in the future draft legislation, therefore any views expressed on the outcome can only be speculative. But what we can say for certain is that the lack of clarity in the current situation will not be allowed to continue; anything else is speculation.

Strain “Wild Thailand” Thai landrace, 124 baht per gramme (5g 618 baht). Outdoor grow Thailand. Buds (not pressed). Very similar to my earlier review of Siridor Thai landrace. Possibly slightly stronger, maybe because it was the first sensimilla batch of the crop, rather than the late Siridor seeded batch. Thai sativa, on a par with the excellent Thai Stick I smoked in the 70s. 4 tokes of a joint enough, a fraction of a gramme. Say good-bye to the next 2 or 3 hours. New users should use with caution (take a couple of tokes and wait and see); heavy habitual users who flood their brain with high levels of THC every day may need to top up quicker. My supplier was happy to oblige with a free pack of seeds, and they have done well outdoor with minimal attention. Use Thai language search words on twitter for a huge range of local suppliers.