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Before you pay any fee, I’d ask for an explanation of how it’s calculated, and obviously get an official receipt for any payment. I’ll add that: regulations do change; language problems do exist even between native Thais, never mind naturalised Thais, regarding land regulations, which can be quite obscure; naturalised Thais are not frequent visitors to the land office, and the average official is not likely to be aware of any specific variations in the regulations for naturalized Thais – if indeed there are any; and no two cases are necessarily the same. Regarding usufruct, there’s no reason why a native or naturalised Thai shouldn’t use it – it’s standard in many countries – if it actually provides the level of security you are looking for. And last but not least, having conferred with my other half, I’m advised that adding a name to an existing chanote (ie not transferring ownership, but extending it) should not require any fee other than the nominal administration fee – the 2.75% which I referred to earlier was for a different situation. If that’s the case then I can’t explain either of the charges you referred to. If you and your wife are not fully up to speed with all of this, I’d really recommend taking someone with you who is - getting refunds from government departments can be excruciatingly slow!

As of a few years ago adding a name to a chanote incurred 2 costs: 1. a fee of (I think) 2.75 %, as it is actually a change of ownership rights, even if no money is changing hands 2. A nominal administration fee. This would seem to explain the 2 charges you mention. Having your name on the chanote gives you the protection you are looking for, as GarryP suggests. Usufruct is not relevant to your situation, so I can't explain why the เก็บกิน was raised. An update as you proceed would be interesting, thanks.

So, it’s been about 16 months since I planted my first mj seed, and in terms of growing it’s been pretty successful and very simple, despite the usual new outdoor organic grower mistakes. But in terms of the bigger picture, as I mentioned in one of my first posts on this forum, the window in the weed laws was likely to be short-lived, and this wasn’t based on hearsay or wishful thinking among foreigners, but on the opinions of Thais in the Dept of Health. And now it’s as certain as anything can be here that the window on weed will be closed this year. Personally, I’ve enjoyed the trip down memory lane to the high days of my youth, but it comes at a price of course – in my case, as someone who prefers the controllability of smoking, that would be lung pollution. Pretty soon the forum will be full of angst about the air quality in the hot/burning season, but I’m pretty sure it’s insignificant compared to dosing your lungs up daily for “recreation”. As I haven’t smoked anything for decades, it’s a price I no longer want to pay. Talking about those high youthful days, back then mj was part of countercultural lifestyles for most people that I knew, and I've been pretty stunned over the last year at how attitudes have changed since then, as I have not had any contact with stoners during that time. Now weed seems to be rife with petty capitalists growing in tents in their spare room. This seems completely at odds with the philosophy of alternative lifestyles or expanding consciousness (always a dubious reason for taking drugs anyway). Dedicating a bedroom to intensive factory farming? not for me thanks. But more seriously, these new growing methods have a huge carbon footprint, and on the large north American scale have been environmentally damaging on a vast scale – what makes it worse is that the massive oversupply there has resulted in mj crops being destroyed – all that environmental damage for nothing. This is all in the public domain and easily found on google. On the other hand, I have learnt over the last year that industrial hemp is one of the most highly efficient methods of carbon sequestration, and can easily be processed into thermal housebricks among other things. This kind of project interests me a lot, actually far more than creating further environmental damage just to get stoned. Having been stoned thousands of times, it’s not something I need to dabble in any more, and please let’s not kid ourselves that recreational is medicinal. So my evergrowing stash is now on the compost heap. Anyway, each to their own, happy trails….

100g Jack Hammer 1,000 baht Not a very common strain Tested and feels like 19% THC Said to be a sativa dominant hybrid, feels like it Nice bushy buds Local outdoor grown That's definitey going in my organic weedpatch when the outdoor growing starts in a few weeks up north.

Coming from big a cities background I've never tried growing anything before, so I was pleasanly unsurprised at how easy it is to grow native sativas outdoors here in Thailand. There are about 30 plants in the pic, including some green crack, all second generation grown from seeds I bred myself in the last year, the tallest is about 6 feet, most in pots and others straight into the ground, plus another 30 seedlings, and some in cure. Earlier this year some of the plants grew to over 3 metres. Here in the north the cold season nights really slow down the growth, so it's not a good time to plant seeds, but well-established plants do well in the cold season. Have a cool yule y'all, and assuming growing is still legal next year, I'd be happy to seed pool with other outdoor organic growers here.

In reply to Pinot's question about how long it takes to grow Thais sativas outdoors here. I asked 2 outdoor organic farmers, and they advise that seed to harvest is up to 9 months, with 4-6 months of veg during which time the plants will show gender, and 2-3 months of flowering. A long time compared to indoor grows, but you're only limited by the size of your garden and the permission that your Thai partner has for growing. And they grow all year round of course. There might be variations on this because Thailand is about 1,750 km north to south and has several different microclimates, and corresponding landraces, though I'm sure all Thai landraces will grow anywhere in Thailand. If you’re looking for seeds relevant to your region, Zomia offer a range of landrace seeds. I believe they have a seedbank in Bkk and offer discounts to Thai residents. They specialize in SE Asian and Asian landraces and their website is really informative (I’m not affiliated in any way). https://www.zomiacannabisco.com/ Another way to buy seeds for Thai landrace strains is to buy seedy bud via twitter or FB. I’ve found half a dozen of the Thai landraces that way, but Zomia has the full set, or did when I last checked. Anyway folks, my vacation starts tomorrow, so I’ll wish you a cool Yule etc and see you next year. Cheers.

It depends on the strain. Thai sativas are traditionally dried in barns with open eaves, thus combining natural airflow with protection from sunlight. But growing and drying indica heavy hybrids outside is most likely going to be difficult.

4 Questions 1 Answer Question 1. Why is Thai sativa so lanky? Question 2. Why are Thai sativa buds so airy? Question 3. Why are Thai sativa leaves so narrow? Question 4. Why is Thai sativa intermodal spacing so big (the distance been nodes/branch pairs). Answer: Humidity. Thai sativa has evolved and adapted over 10s or 100s of thousands of years for this hot humid climate. The overall airiness of the plant is a natural defence against humidity. This is useful for drying as well as growing (see clip below). In addition, the native landraces often have a piney fragrance that is said to repel pests. Kroeng Krawia has the airiest buds of all the Thai landrace sativas, as can be seen in the clip. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02eAy1wMBGkNJzomVMWZa4hZEzLXNM11BnPwgBybVM2fEBXPVEmtQnHFL7smsVbjr8l&id=100083200937492&eav=AfYIya1AUZmeZ_4bZUGMeD7Tkt4iyzYeysSfdMhu1ghqkEPA99h5IEYeHBC3UyLec7w&m_entstream_source=feed_mobile&paipv=0 PS For any outdoor growers (of Thai sativas or any other strains) I’d recommend neem oil mixed with water - it protects agains pests and fungus/rot. All the organic farmers in my area use neem for all sorts of crops. The neem tree is native to Thailand and the oil is widely available on lazada.

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Nice one Britman. I'm always impressed with your many different approaches to growing and your sharing of information. None of us here can claim to be an expert outdoor grower in Thailand (assuming we started in June 2022), so experimentation and information sharing is the key. By the way, I talked to a couple of dealers and marketeers about this question last night, but I'd say their replies were optimistic marketing blurb rather than personal experience. I'm meeting an outdoor organic farmer on Monday (social not business), and I'll pop the question then. cheers

Some interesting answers here. As far as I can remember I was some years into smoking before I felt any paranoia, and I think that was with what was said to be "pure THC" liquid. This must have been about 1975, and I put "pure THC" in quotes because it obviously wasn't pure THC, but we didn't know any better back in those days because it was all on the hush hush, no internet, no liberalisation, no information. We painted (for want of a better word) this "THC" onto cigarettes. Whatever it was it wasn't an enjoyable high. At that time hash was much more widely available in my part of the world - Afghani, Pakistani, Lebanese, and I don't think I ever any paranoia on that. But grass (as we called marijuana back then) was a different story, a different kind of high that seemed to take the top of your head off, not necessarily paranoically, frequently giggly actually. Great for music which was the field I worked in back then. Hit and miss for sex.

A good question! The large outdoor grow that I know very well is unusual in that it was a sponsored research grow, and the research objectives were to assess different growing methods for different levels of CBD/THC, and they weren't just interested in flowers, so it's probably not a good guide for normal growers. Also, a lot depends on the weather conditions, which fluctuate every year, and the soil, and the amount of light etc. I started growing several Thai sativa strains outdoor from seed some time after the June liberalisation, so your plants are well ahead of mine. I'll ask around, but it might take a day or two. Do you know which strain they are? That might help to get a more accurate answer.

Google says this plant is already well established in Thailand, though I don't know anything about it myself. All farmland here is served by a network of klongs/irrigation channels/rivers. Some regions have more plentiful supplies of water than others. I have no idea for the set up costs for growing this plant, sorry.

It's pretty clear from looking at this that this batch is from the end of an outdoor (or large greenhouse) grow - hint, its full of seeds. And as I'm sure most here would know, seeds do not contain THC, so it's a bit of a mystery why anyone would buy it to test for THC. But as I've mentioned half a dozen times before, seedy Thai sativa bud is perfect for outdoor growers who want fresh seeds. By the way, Kroeng Krawia is known for having the airiest buds of all the natural Thai sativa landraces - it's nature's way of protecting against humidity and bud rot, the result of 10s or 100s of thousands of years of evolution and natural selection - no air-conditioning or tent or carbon filter or LED or electricity bills or "nute" regimes etc etc needed. Cheers all.

Hi again Bamnutsak, your question regarding “indentured labour” has prompted further musings and a bit of maths: at 7.5 baht per g retail for 20,000 plants at a notional yield per plant of 225 gm (from Leafly), the gross retail value would be THB 33,750,000 if they were all female, or THB 16,875,000 discounting the c 50% that would be male. The male plants do have economic value of course, but not as bud, so I’ve ignored that value for illustrative purposes. Also, Thai sativas (and Green Crack it seems) can be grown year round outdoors in this climate. Whichever way you cut this and whatever numbers you plug into the basic equation this is substantially more than the gross retail value for rice or other foodstuffs for the same amount of land, so the income for the farmer must also be greater. In my travels in Laos I did meet several farming families but that was before China arrived en masse, but I can’t believe all those farmers have suddenly become indentured labour. Let’s put it this way, I’d be far happier with the ethics of buying outdoor grown Laos Green Crack for 7.5 baht per g than buying Apple products produced in what have been reported to be slave factories in China. PS the 7.5 baht/g price was a special offer, the original price was 13.5 baht/g if memory serves, which would more or less double the income.

Morning Bamnutsak, in my followup to your question yesterday about costs in large outdoor grows in Laos I could only speculate as I have not visited that farm. But in the very large outdoor grows that I do know personally in Thailand I can say that the overheads are minimal: the irrigation water is free, the electricity for the irrigation pump is minimal or solar powered (solar powered pumps are commonly available as a package nowadays), the organic fertilisers and pesticides (which I’ve already mentioned in a different thread) are often home made, the labour costs are standard farm labour rates or higher. Drying and curing by traditional methods are also minimal cost – just labour actually. This assumes that the farmer owns the land of course, which is usually the case. The harvesting is staggered as you’d expect in such large grows, which is why you get the sensimilla in the first batch, and later batches are increasingly seedy. I often ask for bud from the later batches for that very reason. Of course, not all large grows here are 100% outdoor, some are large greenhouse grows, and some of these greenhouses have required substantial upfront investment. A key point to bear in mind is that Thailand is largely an agricultural country once one gets out of the tourist areas and cities, and the cultivation of native Thai sativas has been continuous for decades at least, though now enjoying a resurgence of course. One of the mistakes that we foreigners frequently make is to try to understand Thailand through the lens of our home country experience, and this inevitably leads to misunderstanding. Have a good day.

Stoner your track record here speaks for itself: you have rubbished the forum sponsor, numerous suppliers and fellow members whose growing methods disagree with yours. Thanks for the offer of a PM rendezvous, but once again I'll decline. Have a good evening.

Dear Bam, oils and tinctures are very different extraction processes with very different results, but rather than me explaining it I'd suggest google, as it's been a long day and I'm about to go home. This particular research programme closed some time ago and it involved two of the universities, several hospitals, and farming collectives. It was centred on CBD, and THC <2%, and It was managed by a close family friend who's a senior consulting research doctor here. There have been many such research programmes in the last few years. I've been working here professionally for over 12 years, so while I am a foreigner (as I mentioned earlier today on another thread) I'm very much part of certain initiatives here. No I didn't have to sign any NDA, but neither am I going to go into further details on this forum, for reasons that I'm sure you can understand. Anyway, I'm off home to a cold beer, have a good evening.

Some fair questions and points there Bamnutsak, and thanks for raising them. As I've posted on another thread, it's not uncommon for large outdoor grows in Thailand (and Laos) to contain over 20,000 plants. And clearly this kind of growing requires different techniques than manicuring a couple of plants in a tent. The sheer scale plus the poor conditions of many farmers in Laos are the 2 main reasons that I can think of for such a low price, and to be honest it pains me because I have travelled extensively in Laos and have many happy memories of it. Yes, sativa/indica 65/35 is what the breeder pages say. These 2 batches that I have bought are very heavy on the indica physical bomb, which I personally don't enjoy so much, which is why I mix it with Baox. You have posted on numerous occasions about your personal knowledge of illegal imports from the US, so I'm surprised at your surprise that there may be such imports from a bordering nation like Laos. My main supplier, whose details you have requested from me at least once on this same thread (but which I have declined for obvious reasons) is Thai and well integrated with the farming community. He is also an enthusiast, and knows his offerings well. If you lived close to me I'd be happy to share some of this GC with you free of charge for your personal opinion, but as we live very far apart that's not going to work. As for photos, I'm at work right now and I don't smoke at work. But I've seen how silly some of the conversations here about bud-porn become, so I have no plans to post photos when I get home. Have a good day.

Stoner you clearly can not have the results of all the tests performed in Thailand, as there are numerous labs here and they don't share results. Moreover some of them are part of the Ministry of Health, some in universities, and some are private. The pursuit of higher levels of THC in flowers is futile anyway, as it's a simple chemical process to isolate THC. Such isolates have been available for decades, and there numerous research papers linking their use to psychosis, as I'm msure a man of your expertise is well aware. You also seem to have missed my point about being pleasantly surprised - if you wish to pleasantly surprise me just post a scan of your work permit.

Not sure if it's still relevant for the OP, but there is a difference between oil and tincture. I tried both as part of a university research programme here a couple of years ago: the oil was very similar to the gunk that first hit the unregulated market in Europe about 45 years ago, it gave me an unpleasant dizzy feeling. The tincture provided at least some of the benefits that are associated with CBD regarding pain management - at that time I had strained my lower back and it did help, but not as much as ibuprofen ???? I believe regulated versions of both are now easily available here (THC max 0.2%). Previously a Dr's prescription was required, but either that restriction has been lifted or simply bypassed.

As for the OP, he started this thread asking for advice, yet seems shocked when he gets it. Enough.

Frankly I'll go with an acknowledged leader in the field like Snoop Dogg and his recommendation of Green Crack potency than random members of an anonymous forum, many of whom have obsure but clear axes to grind or vested interests. It must surely be obvious to anyone with a smidgeon of common sense that Green Crack, which is the most widely available hybrid here in Thailand, largely because it seems to thrive in outdoor grows here, will vary from supplier to supplier and grower to grower. As for "access to the highest tested flower in thailand", I haven't followed the background to this claim, but I assume it's satirical because no-one would have access to that information as there are numerous testing agencies, and they don't share results. I've also never heard of any foreigner getting a work permit for such work here; and I'm fairly sure anyone who had done so would be trumpeting it to the rooftops. I'm always open to be pleasantly surprised mind you. Marijuana, the land of peace and love (satire chaps).

Green Crack – 750 baht 100 gm and 100 seeds – outdoor grown in Laos in buds not compressed. Anyway, in the interest of getting the thread back on track - not always an easy task in a smoker’s forum ???? – I finally cracked open my new delivery of Green Crack, from the same supplier and grower that I reviewed a few weeks ago. Happy to inform that the buds are delightfully dank. My only concern with this Green Crack is that the indica hits like a bomb, while I personally tend to prefer the cerebral high of native Thai landrace sativas. Easily rectified (more or less) by mixing with Baox (CBD) 3:1 Baox:GC. Incidentally, as I found myself without RAW papers I improvised by chasing the dragon with a tea-strainer, a straw and a lighter: simply place the bud in the tea-strainer and apply the lighter-flame, breathe in the smoke with the straw. This may sound strange, but I guess it also has the benefit of breathing in cool smoke rather than hot smoke, thus reducing the risks of the latter. Happy to be advised on that by any bona fide medical practitioners here. 7.5 baht for 1 gm bud and 1 seed together. Happy trails fellow travellers. PS As one of the previous commenters correctly mentioned, outdoor bud here is often very fresh - ie it's not always 100% cured. To me this is an advantage as it proves it's very fresh and allows me to finalise the cure myself, which I do without the help of the dehumidifying bags that many here employ. I simply transfer to a recycled large coffee jar and leave the jar open from time to time. I believe this is called "burping" in the new jargon that I prefer to avoid. Cheers.

Actually I have never tried "sh*t tasting weed", so I'll have to bow to your experience of that. But you missed my point, which is that getting high takes a few tokes not an hour of puffing, assuming one knows how to buy good stuff. As for humidity - Thailand has always been humid, and it's precisely these humid conditions that give rise to tropical sativas. I'm sure if I lived in Afghanistan I'd favour natural outdoor-grown Afghani indicas, but as I live in Thailand I favour natural outdoor-grown Thai sativas and the occasional outdoor hybrid like Green Crack. I think the main reason that some people seem to have difficulty in finding good marijuana here is possibly because of their lack of ability with the Thai language, perhaps coupled with fear of doing business with Thais who don't speak English well. But the evidence of this forum is that many people have found excellent mj. Tourists of course tend to be limited to dispensaries. I only use dispensaries for RAW papers, and while the assistant is well-presented, very personable and speaks good English, she is not a user, and has very little knowledge of what she's selling. By the way, that's not a general criticism of dispensary staff in general, I'm sure many are very well informed and have personal experience of their offerings, even if the prices are extremely inflated. I do sympathise with your lack of success in finding a good smoke, but there's mountains of excellent marijuana here. What most of us foreigners see is just a drop in the ocean of what's happening, and that's true about Thailand in general, not just marijuana sales. Anyway, have a good evening, cheers.