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Dear Bam, oils and tinctures are very different extraction processes with very different results, but rather than me explaining it I'd suggest google, as it's been a long day and I'm about to go home. This particular research programme closed some time ago and it involved two of the universities, several hospitals, and farming collectives. It was centred on CBD, and THC <2%, and It was managed by a close family friend who's a senior consulting research doctor here. There have been many such research programmes in the last few years. I've been working here professionally for over 12 years, so while I am a foreigner (as I mentioned earlier today on another thread) I'm very much part of certain initiatives here. No I didn't have to sign any NDA, but neither am I going to go into further details on this forum, for reasons that I'm sure you can understand. Anyway, I'm off home to a cold beer, have a good evening.

Some fair questions and points there Bamnutsak, and thanks for raising them. As I've posted on another thread, it's not uncommon for large outdoor grows in Thailand (and Laos) to contain over 20,000 plants. And clearly this kind of growing requires different techniques than manicuring a couple of plants in a tent. The sheer scale plus the poor conditions of many farmers in Laos are the 2 main reasons that I can think of for such a low price, and to be honest it pains me because I have travelled extensively in Laos and have many happy memories of it. Yes, sativa/indica 65/35 is what the breeder pages say. These 2 batches that I have bought are very heavy on the indica physical bomb, which I personally don't enjoy so much, which is why I mix it with Baox. You have posted on numerous occasions about your personal knowledge of illegal imports from the US, so I'm surprised at your surprise that there may be such imports from a bordering nation like Laos. My main supplier, whose details you have requested from me at least once on this same thread (but which I have declined for obvious reasons) is Thai and well integrated with the farming community. He is also an enthusiast, and knows his offerings well. If you lived close to me I'd be happy to share some of this GC with you free of charge for your personal opinion, but as we live very far apart that's not going to work. As for photos, I'm at work right now and I don't smoke at work. But I've seen how silly some of the conversations here about bud-porn become, so I have no plans to post photos when I get home. Have a good day.

Stoner you clearly can not have the results of all the tests performed in Thailand, as there are numerous labs here and they don't share results. Moreover some of them are part of the Ministry of Health, some in universities, and some are private. The pursuit of higher levels of THC in flowers is futile anyway, as it's a simple chemical process to isolate THC. Such isolates have been available for decades, and there numerous research papers linking their use to psychosis, as I'm msure a man of your expertise is well aware. You also seem to have missed my point about being pleasantly surprised - if you wish to pleasantly surprise me just post a scan of your work permit.

Not sure if it's still relevant for the OP, but there is a difference between oil and tincture. I tried both as part of a university research programme here a couple of years ago: the oil was very similar to the gunk that first hit the unregulated market in Europe about 45 years ago, it gave me an unpleasant dizzy feeling. The tincture provided at least some of the benefits that are associated with CBD regarding pain management - at that time I had strained my lower back and it did help, but not as much as ibuprofen ???? I believe regulated versions of both are now easily available here (THC max 0.2%). Previously a Dr's prescription was required, but either that restriction has been lifted or simply bypassed.

As for the OP, he started this thread asking for advice, yet seems shocked when he gets it. Enough.

Frankly I'll go with an acknowledged leader in the field like Snoop Dogg and his recommendation of Green Crack potency than random members of an anonymous forum, many of whom have obsure but clear axes to grind or vested interests. It must surely be obvious to anyone with a smidgeon of common sense that Green Crack, which is the most widely available hybrid here in Thailand, largely because it seems to thrive in outdoor grows here, will vary from supplier to supplier and grower to grower. As for "access to the highest tested flower in thailand", I haven't followed the background to this claim, but I assume it's satirical because no-one would have access to that information as there are numerous testing agencies, and they don't share results. I've also never heard of any foreigner getting a work permit for such work here; and I'm fairly sure anyone who had done so would be trumpeting it to the rooftops. I'm always open to be pleasantly surprised mind you. Marijuana, the land of peace and love (satire chaps).

Green Crack – 750 baht 100 gm and 100 seeds – outdoor grown in Laos in buds not compressed. Anyway, in the interest of getting the thread back on track - not always an easy task in a smoker’s forum ???? – I finally cracked open my new delivery of Green Crack, from the same supplier and grower that I reviewed a few weeks ago. Happy to inform that the buds are delightfully dank. My only concern with this Green Crack is that the indica hits like a bomb, while I personally tend to prefer the cerebral high of native Thai landrace sativas. Easily rectified (more or less) by mixing with Baox (CBD) 3:1 Baox:GC. Incidentally, as I found myself without RAW papers I improvised by chasing the dragon with a tea-strainer, a straw and a lighter: simply place the bud in the tea-strainer and apply the lighter-flame, breathe in the smoke with the straw. This may sound strange, but I guess it also has the benefit of breathing in cool smoke rather than hot smoke, thus reducing the risks of the latter. Happy to be advised on that by any bona fide medical practitioners here. 7.5 baht for 1 gm bud and 1 seed together. Happy trails fellow travellers. PS As one of the previous commenters correctly mentioned, outdoor bud here is often very fresh - ie it's not always 100% cured. To me this is an advantage as it proves it's very fresh and allows me to finalise the cure myself, which I do without the help of the dehumidifying bags that many here employ. I simply transfer to a recycled large coffee jar and leave the jar open from time to time. I believe this is called "burping" in the new jargon that I prefer to avoid. Cheers.

Actually I have never tried "sh*t tasting weed", so I'll have to bow to your experience of that. But you missed my point, which is that getting high takes a few tokes not an hour of puffing, assuming one knows how to buy good stuff. As for humidity - Thailand has always been humid, and it's precisely these humid conditions that give rise to tropical sativas. I'm sure if I lived in Afghanistan I'd favour natural outdoor-grown Afghani indicas, but as I live in Thailand I favour natural outdoor-grown Thai sativas and the occasional outdoor hybrid like Green Crack. I think the main reason that some people seem to have difficulty in finding good marijuana here is possibly because of their lack of ability with the Thai language, perhaps coupled with fear of doing business with Thais who don't speak English well. But the evidence of this forum is that many people have found excellent mj. Tourists of course tend to be limited to dispensaries. I only use dispensaries for RAW papers, and while the assistant is well-presented, very personable and speaks good English, she is not a user, and has very little knowledge of what she's selling. By the way, that's not a general criticism of dispensary staff in general, I'm sure many are very well informed and have personal experience of their offerings, even if the prices are extremely inflated. I do sympathise with your lack of success in finding a good smoke, but there's mountains of excellent marijuana here. What most of us foreigners see is just a drop in the ocean of what's happening, and that's true about Thailand in general, not just marijuana sales. Anyway, have a good evening, cheers.

Re the previous post. Just to correct a common misunderstanding. Brick weed is a packaging method. Green crack is a strain. A strain that was given its moniker by Snoop Dogg because of its potency. And the Green Crack that I have purchased is fully up to Snoop's recommendation. As for "taste, flavour, and smell" - if you're smoking good stuff you only need 2-4 tokes, "taste, flavour, and smell" are more relevant to a cigar forum or a wine forum, where you might linger puffing a Havana or savouring a Chablis for an hour or two. Personally I love wine, especially with a good home-cooked meal, but I don't drink wine to get high; nor do I use marijuana for the "taste, flavour, and smell"; I use it to get high. As I have since 1970.

Hi Britman, you misread my post, perhaps enjoying the fruits of your cheeselicious ???? I paid 750 baht for 100 gm of Green Crack which contains around 100 seeds,, including shipment. That's 7.5 baht for 1 seed and 1 gm together. For outdoor growers there is absolutely no need to buy seeds - just buy local outdoor grown marijuana and use the seeds therein. You can be sure that the seeds of any local outdoor purchase of flower/bud will do well in your garden, though of course Thai sativas will do best and require less attention. The Green Crack seeds from my previous purchase are doing well in my garden - in their early stages they are as robust as the 5 Thai sativa strains I'm growing, however the Thai sativas will likely be more resistant to budrot and other hazards for reasons which I'll post on the Thai sativa thread. Cheers.

An interesting question Simon, I’ll break my response up into some key elements. 1. There is some limited evidence for the efficacy of using cannabis extracts for treating cancers in lab mice. AFAIK this relates to CBD (non-psychotropic) rather than THC (psychotropic) cannabinoids. There is no evidence for such treatment of prostate cancer in humans, though you may or may not find anecdotal accounts on the net. 2. Regulated CBD tincture/oil extracts are easily available here if you wish to make your own suppositories. THC content must be less than 0.2 %. 3. If you are determined to grow your own, then the easiest route is to buy local outdoor grown flowers/buds as these will almost always contain seeds: the 1st batch of the crop is usually seedless (sensimilla), the later batches are increasingly seedy. There is absolutely no need to buy seeds from seed breeders. 4. You could just buy flowers/buds and make your own extracts in the short-term, but the cost would be prohibitive in the long term. 5. Growing marijuana outdoors is extremely easy here if you grow native strains of Thai sativa, which are readily available on twitter at good prices. After all, marijuana grows wild here. Having said that any outdoor locally grown marijuana flower/buds will do well in your garden, but native Thai sativas will be easiest. May I add that in my opinion growing your own in order to make an unproven experiment is a lengthy and roundabout approach. I am certain that marijuana can and does have medical benefits for some ailments, though any perusal of this and similar forums indicates that the overwhelming interest is recreational rather than medicinal, but personally I would not take this approach for something as serious as cancer. Good luck

Green crack 7.5 baht per g Last night my favourite supplier offered me an end of year special – Green Crack 100g 750 baht (7.5 baht per g) including shipping. In buds, not compressed. Outdoor grown from Laos. This is the same GC I reviewed earlier, very potent. A fraction of a g needed, so 100g in theory would keep me for the next year or two, even if I smoked every day. In fact it’s so strong I’ve started mixing it with Baox (CBD), about 3:1, Baox:GC. The really great thing for me as an outdoor grower is that I can be sure any locally grown outdoor marijuana will do well in my garden. My last purchase of 50g of this GC gave me around 50 seeds, so I expect this new purchase to give me around 100 seeds. And get this: seed sellers are selling GC seeds for around 8-10 euros/GBP/USD a seed, so that’s about 400 to 500 euros/GBP/USD of female seeds (allowing for the fact that about half will be male). All this plus 100g of high potency mj for 750 baht! My previous GC seeds/plants are doing very well in the garden, as well as the Thai sativas I’m growing, though I expect budrot could be a bigger problem with the GC. Green Crack is usually rated 17-20% THC, but this is so strong I was thinking of getting it tested. But the testing service costs 2,000 baht, so it seems rather pointless as I’m not reselling. Have a good weekend y’all.

I agree with you bamnutsak, though I thought that online sales were prohibited as of the draft bill in June; either way, the prohibition of online sales was clear in the Royal Gazette announcement in the last week. Another issue is that many of the online sellers are unlicensed anyway, which is why I have resisted requests on this forum to post line and twitter accounts of my favourite suppliers. Have a good day.

Exactly right Redwood1. That's one of the several reasons I have declined to post the twitter/line accounts of my favourite suppliers. It's hard to know whether the people "obsessed with reporting all value weed sellers" as you correctly put it are abolitionist cranks or forum sellers trying to nobble the competition (and I'm not talking about the sponsors). I'm sure we all look forward to the day when the weed bill will be ratified so that all ambiguity about recreational use and sales will be removed.

A gem of an OP, how did I miss it! The strangest justification I’ve seen on this forum for smoking these new hybrids is that the smoke tastes nice. Perhaps the poster who made this claim (I can’t remember the name, and no disrespect intended) thinks that this is the cigar forum, where one might enjoy a leisurely Havana over an hour or so? 2-4 tokes of good organic outdoor grown Thai sativa is all it takes me; an hour of puffing is unnecessary. But I don’t think it’s fair to blame Americanisation, after all the Dutch were experts at seed breeding before the Americas were even colonized.

Of course, one of the defining symptoms of low-level paranoia is the need to make ad hominem personal attacks on forums. There is a very well-established scientifically validated objective link between high levels of THC and a range of psychological problems, from a reduction of up to 10 IQ points in adolescents, through anxiety and depression, to more serious levels of paranoia, to even psychosis. Not to mention general motor function impairment that would render normal activities like car-driving inadvisable. Apart from the reduction in IQ, none of these is permanent. Anyone with an open mind can confirm this on google. Contrary to some beliefs THC is also drug that creates tolerance through repeated use. That's to say the more you use it, the more you need to get high. This by definition places THC in the addictive drug category - though as many here have correctly commented it's not physically addictive like opiates or alcohol. Does one always get paranoid when smoking? Of course not. Does one never get paranoid when smoking? Only if you're smoking the wrong stuff or you've damaged your receptors through habitual heavy use. Have a nice day y'all.

Just in case any of the new growers here are a bit confused about the role of nutrients I thought it would be a good idea to clarify. Many/most tent growers seem to use completely inert growing mediums like coco coir or hydroponics, or almost completely inert growing mediums like peat moss. Another word for “inert” is sterile – ie zero nutrient content. That’s why tent growers use commercial chemical nutrients. Such nutrients are very easy to use – you just follow the manufacturer’s regime that’s supplied with the bottles/powders that they sell. But most outdoor growers use living soil which is rich in nutrients to begin with. So there is no necessity to add chemical nutrients. Of course if outdoor growers wish to add organic nutrients they can, but it’s not essential. One common and very simple recommendation for organic outdoor growers is to bury a fish under their plant site – a Thai tilapia for example, available everywhere in Thailand. The benefit of this is that it provides a very slow release of nutrients as the fish rots. I’ve read that this can be a bit stinky if you’re growing in a pot rather than directly in your garden soil. I haven’t tried this method yet myself, but I’m planning to give it a go in my next run, so that I can compare the results with a zero-fish grow. I’ll probably chop the fish up first to assist or speed up decomposition. There are some excellent youtube outdoor master growers, but they’re growing hybrids in Europe or Nth America, which is very different from growing Thai native landraces in Thailand. So almost all of their recommendations I have found to be of limited value here in LOS - the Land of Sativa. Happy growing all.

Nasty looking bug (thanks for the id Britman). The best preventive measure is neem oil, for bugs and fungus of all sorts. It’s abundantly available here, for example on Lazada and even pharmacies (though the pharmacy versions may be for human skin problems rather than plants!). You can dilute it yourself or buy it ready mixed. The neem tree is one of those magic plants that grow wild here, just like marijuana ???? and there’s a fine specimen in grandma’s garden that’s even older than me. The organic farmers in my area use it extensively, spraying it from large containers strapped to their backs.

You're right about uncertainty re buying seeds Britman. My approach is to buy outdoor grown buds and use the seeds from the buds - large outdoor grows using regular seeds inevitablly pollinate and create more seeds. This way I'm sure the seeds are fresh and I know in advabce the exact teffect of each strain I grow - and they definitely are different strains as can be seen in the bud formations. I often ask my supplier for the end-of-the crop seedy run for that very reason.

There is one other thing I’d add to Mike Ritter’s eye-witness testimony. His experience seems to have been focused on Issan, to the exclusion of Nth Thailand, Central Thailand and the islands. But later research, eg by Zomia who I referenced in an earlier post, shows that different Thai landraces also have a history in those other regions of Thailand. I’ve tracked half a dozen of them mainly through twitter using Thai script searches which I've posted a couple of times in other threads, and I've reviewed their effects in other threads too. All the strains I've tried have the same excellent quality as the Thai stick that I enjoyed through the 70s. Contrary to some opinion, the strains have not been lost. How could they have been - they've been grown continuously in the same regions, despite numerous crackdowns over the years. Have a good weekend all.

By the way, I'm not suggesting that Ph and nutrients are not important, but it must surely be obvious even to non-growers that if you grow an indigenous species in its native soil then the condirions MUST be in the correct range. And this applies to all species of plants, not just marijuana. The hydroponics boom is probably largely responsible for the obsession with nutrient regimes, for obvious reasons. But clearly this does not apply to native species grown in native conditions. Try growing Thai sativa landracees outdoors in Afghanistan - it will be suboptimal. Try growing Afghani indica landraces outdoors in Thailand - it will be suboptimal. Try growing any landrace in Europe (apart from ruderalis) or Nth America - it will be suboptimal. Try growing Thai sativa outdoors in Thailand - the conditions are optimal.

Thai stick No discussion about Thai sativa is complete without talking about Thai stick, so I thought I’d post this fascinating archival interview with two of the key names from the early days of Thai stick, Mike Ritter & Peter Maguire, who recently published the book “Thai Stick: Surfers, Scammers, and the Untold Story of the Marijuana Trade” This youtube interview was streamed live on 18 Oct 2020. Youtube links may be blocked, if so just copy the URL and paste it into you browser. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOa20IYE5Nw I’m sure all of us oldtimers have Thai stick tales, but I don’t really want to derail the thread with lots of personal reminiscences, so suffice to say that Mike and Peter confirm that (1) Thai stick was a packaging method used all over SEAsia at the time, it was not a specific strain, though of course all the strains in SEAsia at that time were native outdoor tropical sativa landraces (which are still available as per my Zomia post earlier), and (2) it wasn’t dipped into anything. I’ll add that although I’m from a different part of the world from them, my experience of the mj industry morphing from hippy/surfer enthusiasts to organized crime (and now into big corporate business) is the same as theirs. It’s a long interview, I hope you enjoy it, cheers.

I'm not "slagging off" anybody's method nor advertising my own outdoor growing method, which I've already stated is still evolving. I was merely replying to the OP's topic about outdoor growing tips before others tried to hijack the thread. All, and I mean ALL hybrids were bred from natural landraces, and Thai sativa was foremost among these landraces. I understand than many people have invested money and time into tents and electronics and electricity bills, and for a variety of reasons, not least of all concealment in prior times. But the simple truth is that Thailand is home to the most influential native landrace marijuana species in the cannabis industry. (I'll be posting archive interviews about this on another thread next week). These landraces are plentiful here and perfectly adapted to the climate; they were and still are grown without any of the paraphernalia that the European and Nth American cannabis industries market to people who live in less fortunate climates which have no landraces of their own. Have a good evening.

I’m reluctant to take this thread further off topic, but in answer to the previous questioner and for the correction of some of the numerous misunderstandings about growing outdoor landraces in their natural environment – ie Thai landraces in Thailand : 1. I can grow Thai sativas outdoors year round in Thailand: they are natural 12/12 species perfectly adapted to Thailand’s year round 12/12. 2. The claim that outdoor grown buds are mediocre is strange. When I and many others here started smoking, there was only outdoor grown natural landrace marijuana, and all indoor hybrids and runts since then have been bred from those original outdoor landraces for the European and Nth American markets, mainly because Europe and Nth America have the wrong climates for natural marijuana, but also for the tent growers who are space-constrained (plus ruderalis for the real indoor runts). 3. Thai stick is unsurpassed. And the very same original Thai stick landraces are still grown in Thailand, as I have described in some detail in another thread. 4. Artifical nutrients are completely unnecessary today for natural strains, just as they have been for thousands of years. I can’t comment on whether they’re necessary for tent-growers growing artificial strains. But my guess is that the European and North American indoor cannabis industries has a vested interest in controlling seeds, nutrients, lighting, cooling, tents, fanning, and all the other things that are unnecessary for natural landraces grown in their natural enviroment. After all, there are no naturally occurring European or Nth American strains of marijuana other than the non-psychotropic ruderalis runts used to breed indoor strains. 5. Ph-ing the water or soil is another time consuming activity that artificial indoor growers seem to spend time and money on. But the evidence of thousands of years says this is not necessary for landraces grown in their native environment – eg Thai sativas in Thailand. Clearly some soils are better than others, but finding good soil here is not difficult. In rural Thailand, the water irrigation system is extensive, as you'd expect in a country where 35-40% of people work in agriculture. (No, I don't use tap water.) My soil and water are regulary tested by the Thai Ministry of Agriculture, as are all organic farms. Anyone can apply for such tests. 6. There are numerous organic methods of pest control and fertilization, and they’re in use by the many organic farms here in Thailand, not just cannabis farms. As for yield: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0sT7au8zQAdzLC7dPyULf1BkKkCvSK91TwDm1yPBv1HFRo7dDwKUDF56PmJ8yBZDbl&id=100083200937492&eav=AfZlLa6j6tR94ufFqos2E4FprqJ8g0t8GjcJuVdBNtBqcoUmT7ztri3W_ezV9X4N5tI&m_entstream_source=feed_mobile&paipv=0 (hope the link works for you, some people seem to be having difficulty with the FB links). In summary, I have 10s or 100s of thousands of years of nature on my side of the debate, and you have 3 or 4 decades of capitalism and big business on yours. Have a nice day.

It’s a fair question. Best to take it in 2 halves: 1. what is the current law; 2. what you try get away with. Re 1, the current law, it’s a moving goalpost; just yesterday [24/11] it was reported in that “The announcement was made in the Royal Gazette yesterday [23 Nov] and is effective immediately. The announcement states that the Ministry of Public Health has declared the THC-rich cannabis flower as a “controlled herb” with restrictions. Two big changes come as big blows to the industry… 1. Advertising the sale of cannabis flowers is prohibited 2. Cannabis consumption inside shops/cafes [eg dispensaries] is banned unless sold by a medical practitioner”. How the previously mj-friendly hostels and hotels would respond to this new edict is anyone’s guess. Re 2, what you try to get away with. Well that’s a personal choice, but all it takes is someone to complain to the hotel front desk that your smoke is disturbing them (currently an offence in law), and the management would have little choice but to respond, possibly by involving the police. I haven’t seen any news stories about this actually happening, so I have no idea what the real-world consequences would be, and I’m not interested in speculating. If I was a tourist, I’d play it by ear, maybe take a stroll along a reasonably quiet beach, or a busy beach if it was noticeably weed-friendly, maybe smoke on the balcony, but that would depend on what type of hotel I was in. cheers, good luck