Red Phoenix

Let me pick the 20 'anti-vaxxers' for that debate, and dr Mike would be toast...

Please enlighten me and disclose what could be my motive for spreading lies.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scitranslmed.adu2085

Source: https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/exclusive-theyve-created-something The next wave of mRNA tech is here—and AI may already be in the driver’s seat. Dr. Jessica Rose warns that the same network behind controversial COVID research—funded by the Gates Foundation and tied to Ralph Baric—is now developing “computationally engineered” nanoparticle vaccines. These new shots don’t just make spike proteins. They reprogram your cells to build synthetic nanoparticle structures inside your body—while artificial intelligence accelerates the design in ways no human could control. Dr. Jessica Rose has published an alarming article called Genetic Delivery of Computationally Designed Protein Nanoparticle Immunogens. It covers a new paper that was recently published in Science. > https://jessicar.substack.com/p/genetic-delivery-of-computationally

Not everybody has the time or inclination to read the 82-page report (containing 30 pages of references as it refers to 300 studies that have been conducted on the autism topic). So here a link to an article that provides in non-scientific medical lingo an accurate summary of the report. > https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/biggest-risk-factor-autism-multiple-vaccines-andrew-wakefield

It's not a question of what came first. The landmark-report I posted to open this thread is quite clear on that one > childhood vaccination is the dominant risk factor to develop autism spectrum disorder (ASD). But vaccines are not the only factor that can lead to children developing ASD (even before being born). The picture below illustrates this:

So you are the guy that complained to the local library that 'they had too many books, and that you are not able to keep up reading them all'.

Well said and completely agree!

And of course we also had this... Hospital Choreography - Mad World by Tears for Fears.mp4

Whistleblower Nurse Reveals What REALLY Happened During Covid in Hospitals " People say their loved ones died of Covid... People actually died in the hospital from the protocols." Source: https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/whistleblower-nurse-reveals-what = = = Excerpt from the link and vid: "So, that was March of 2020. That was before the vaccines, before anything happened. We knew that we had an effective tool for managing the inflammation of Covid And the CDC and the leadership for our health industries in the United States completely shut that down."

Shame on you Rattles for asking such 'inconvenient' question.

Sorry, I do read rebuttals and when relevant I respond to them. But I am not going to waste my precious time on a 1 hour video that opens with the title: 'Andrew Wakefield is Still a Lying Piece of Crap', as it is an obvious hit-piece. I have watched and read several of Wakefields interviews and articles, and he comes over as a very integer and knowledgeable fellow. So without having seen that 1-hour video, I will not provide further comments. That's not arrogance, but sensible use of my time... My intention of posting new threads almost daily, is as @Stiddle Mump eloquently phrased it > to keep the kettle brewing... And it's actually not easy to make a choice of what new threads to launch, as the amount of worthwhile articles/studies/opinion pieces on Vaccines and related topics is continually expanding. I also respect the time of the members reading this sub-forum and try to avoid getting caught up in one-on-one Tit-for-Tat postings, as these are of little relevance for the majority of visitors. But of course I am human - some seem to doubt that - and sometimes I need to let off some steam against those that consider the subject of this sub-forum an entertainment outlet.

Sorry but not really, but if it can console you: I am really real. You skipping the opening posts of the threads that I launch, now explains your off-topic responses in the discussions that those posts trigger. When you seek entertainment, go to the Jokes section of the Forum.

Unfortunately, the CDC decided otherwise as they added the mRNA Covid-vaccine in February 2023 to its “Child & Adolescent Immunization Schedule”. And as of October 2025, the COVID-19 vaccine is still on the child/adolescent immunization schedule. The only thing that changed was that in May 2025 the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services announced that the routine recommendation for healthy children and pregnant women was removed. So it is no longer universally recommended in all healthy children, and depends on individual discussion.

The authors of the report address that there are multiple potential reasons for ASD. But the conclusion of this 82 page landmark report is clear > "Combination and early-timed routine childhood vaccination constitutes the most significant modifiable risk factor for ASD"

The Autism Debate - New Report Reveals Vaccines as the "Dominant Risk Factor" Landmark report identifies childhood vaccination as the primary modifiable risk factor. Source: https://metatron.substack.com/p/the-autism-debate-new-report-reveals = = = In what should prove to be a watershed moment in autism research, the McCullough Foundation has released the most comprehensive analysis ever conducted on autism’s causes. After evaluating over 300 studies, the conclusion is alarming: while autism spectrum disorder (ASD) has multiple contributing factors, vaccination emerges as the most significant modifiable risk factor. You can access the full 82 page report (including 32 pages of references to other studies) here > https://zenodo.org/records/17451259 Report Conclusion: The totality of evidence supports a multifactorial model of ASD in which genetic predisposition, neuroimmune biology, environmental toxicants, perinatal stressors, and iatrogenic exposures converge to produce the phenotype of a post-encephalitic state. Combination and early-timed routine childhood vaccination constitutes the most significant modifiable risk factor for ASD, supported by convergent mechanistic, clinical, and epidemiologic findings, and characterized by intensified use, the clustering of multiple doses during critical neurodevelopmental windows, and the lack of research on the cumulative safety of the full pediatric schedule. As ASD prevalence continues to rise at an unprecedented pace, clarifying the risks associated with cumulative vaccine dosing and timing remains an urgent public health priority.

Fully agree with that well-stated observation.

When you actually read the study, you will find that the researchers did consider such bias as you suggest, and accounted for it in their analysis and conclusions.

@TallGuyJohninBKK > Why are opening this thread on the Off-the-Beaten-Track forum, instead of on 'your' COVID-19 Coronavirus sub-forum under Health & Medicine on the regular AN Forum?

In view of this Cleveland Clinic study showing - NO protective influence of influenza vaccination during the 2024-2025 respiratory viral season, and - a 27% higher risk of influenza when vaccinated I doubt that the majority of the 43920 (82.2%) Cleveland Clinic staff that got the flu-shot, would be eager to roll up their sleeve again for next year's 'protective' flu-shot.

I have no problem nor objection when you and people of similar conviction that 'mRNA is Good for You', willingly take the role of human Guinea Pig in experiments with that novel technology. What I do most vehemently object against is that myself and my loved ones are coerced or mandated into doing same.

And here an AI-generated Summary of how both studies relate Synthesizing the Evidence Aspect CDC MMWR Study Cleveland Clinic Study Population Mixed; elderly, hospitalized, children Working-age healthcare adults Design Test-negative, case-control Time-dependent Cox regression, real-life incidence Bias Sensitivity High (testing, behavioral confounders) Lower (tracks within-person exposure over time) Funding CDC/government None Result +36–60% VE −27% VE Likely Truth Overestimates protection Closer reflection of real-world effect for adults

The CDC and the Cleveland Clinic Flu-Shot Effectiveness studies come to different conclusions, which is quite obvious and expected as the set-up, population and methodology used are different. The main factors being 1. Disparate Populations CDC networks capture high-risk groups (hospitalized children, elderly patients, outpatients at clinics). Cleveland Clinic’s cohort are younger, working-adult healthcare employees — typically with fewer comorbidities but more frequent exposure to circulating pathogens. Vaccine effectiveness often looks higher in elderly and sicker populations, partly because of “healthy vaccinee bias”: vaccinated people are more likely to seek care and be tested, but less likely to be counted as unvaccinated when sick. Source: AI-generated Mod's Note: AI content shortened to comply with forum policy.

Effectiveness of the Influenza Vaccine During the 2024-2025 Respiratory Viral Season: A Prospective Cohort Study By Nabin K. Shrestha, Patrick C. Burke, Amy S. Nowacki, Steven M. Gordon Source: https://doi.org/10.1101/2025.01.30.25321421 = = = Well, well, well, what do we have here... A large study of +53000 Cleveland Clinic employees showed that the researchers were unable to find a protective influence of influenza vaccination during the 2024-2025 respiratory viral season. And not only that they found a significantly higher risk (+27%) of influenza with vaccination when influenza activity was high. Below a shortened version of the study abstract: ABSTRACT Background The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine during the 2024-2025 respiratory viral season. Methods Employees of Cleveland Clinic in employment in Ohio on October 1, 2024, were included. The cumulative incidence of influenza among those in the vaccinated and unvaccinated states was compared over the following 33 weeks. ... Results Among 53402 employees, 43920 (82.2%) were vaccinated by the end of the study. Influenza occurred in 1130 (2.12%) during the study. ... Conclusions This study was unable to find a protective influence of influenza vaccination among working-aged adults during the 2024-2025 respiratory viral season and found that influenza vaccination was associated with a higher risk of influenza when influenza activity was high. Summary Among 53402 working-aged Cleveland Clinic employees, we were unable to find a protective influence of influenza vaccination during the 2024-2025 respiratory viral season and found a significantly higher risk of influenza with vaccination when influenza activity was high. You can access both the full abstract and the full text of this preprint study here > https://doi.org/10.1101/2025.01.30.25321421