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Yes, that's correct. You would need to apply each time again for a new 1-year Non Imm O-A Visa (which can only be done when the validity of the old one has expired, and the last Permit to stay you received with that Visa is not protected with a Re-Entry Permit). I will PM you later (the file is on my other PC) with a comprehensive Guideline on how to apply for a Non Imm O-A Visa and navigating the Health Insurance issue.

Normally the Username and password are sent to the e-mail address you provided when registering. It is possible that the confirmation did land in the JUNK file of your e-mail account. Or it is possible that it is still pending at Chonburi IO. Also, if your application was incomplete/incorrect, IO does not contact you about this. A phone call to Chonburi IO should provide clarity on what is the issue. NOTE: I did PM you a comprehensive Guideline on how to register your address on the IO TM-30 website, and subsequently issue a TM-30 of any foreigner (including yourself) staying at the premises.

When applying for the Non Imm O-A Visa, which can only be done in your home-country or country of permanent residence, and you already have Health Insurance from a Non-Thai insurer that meets the requirements you can make use of that option. The snag is that once you are in Thailand and after the 2 year that you can squeeze out of that Visa, want to apply for the 1-year extension of that Non Imm O-A Visa that Immigration ONLY accepts O-A compliant Health Insurance policies issued by THAI insurers. When you visit your Home-country once every 1-2 year, you can of course opt to apply for a new Non Imm O Visa while over there.

This is an interesting option! Would it be possible to apply for and get an O-A eVisa without being in your home-country? If you meet all the requirements, and in case there would be no need to physcally provide your passport to the Thai embassy in your home-country, that would avoid having to make the trip abroad to apply for a new 1-year Non Imm O-A Visa. And it would provide you with a Multiple-Entry Visa valid for almost 2 years (when re-entering Thailand just before Visa expiry) without the need to semi-permanently park +800K on a personal Thai bank-account.

Hi wwest, When you were already on a 1-year extension based on your Non Imm O-A Visa, and are married to a Thai national, there was no reason for you to switch to a Non Imm O Visa. You could have simply applied for another 1-year extension based on that Non Imm O-A Visa, but this time for reason of marriage, and by doing so there would be NO Thai health-insurance policy requirement and the requirements/conditions are exactly same as for a 1-year extension based on a Non Imm O Visa. Note: Obviously having already switched from O-A to O this info is of no use for you anymore, but for other members in same situation as you were at the time, it would be beneficial to be aware of that little known fact.

Hi, let my summarize your options. You will NOT be able to extend your current 1-year extension based on your Non Imm O Visa, as you did not meet the conditions under which that extension was provided to you. A 'fixer' Visa Agent may be able to fix another retirement extension for you, but as you are married to a Thai national and have Thai dependant children you have far better options than doing that. You wrote that your current permit to stay from your 1-year retirement extension is still valid for a couple of months, so there is no hurry. But you would need to leave Thailand during the final days of your current permission to stay. Note that if you have a Re-Entry Permit you would have to wait till last day to do that as that Re-Entry Permit would 'protect' your current permit to stay, and you need to get rid of it. It now depends on where you are residing in Thailand what would be your best option: #1 - If you live close to a landborder-crossing and travel often abroad or don't mind having to make 3-monthly borderruns, you could consider applying for the 1-year MultipleEntry Non Imm O Visa for reason of marriage at the Savannakhet consulate. Applying for that Visa does not require any financials, but of course the required border-runs might be inconvenient depending on where you live. #2 - Exiting Thailand at a close-by border-crossing, and returning VisaExempt (without a Visa). This can be done on same day (or you could make it a small holiday), and it will provide you with a 30-day Permission to stay when re-entering Thailand. When there are at least 15 days left on that Permission to stay (some Imm Offices require 21 or even 23 days), you can then apply at the local Imm Office of the province where you are staying for a 90-day Non Imm O Visa for reason of marriage or for reason of dependant Thai children. To meet the financial requirement you need to show that you have +400K on personal Thai bank-account at the date of application for that 90-day Non Imm O Visa. And then in the last month of those 90-days, you can apply for a 1-year extension of that Non Imm O Visa. When you applied for reason of marriage, your 1-year extension needs to be for same reason and requires that you show that you have kept the +400K on your personal Thai bank-account for 2 months prior to date of application for that 1-year extension, and you need to keep it there during the 'under consideration' period till the application has been approved (some Imm Offices do require this). When you applied for reason of dependant Thai children, there is no requirement for seasoning the funds for 2 months, but just like for the Visa application you have to show that it is on your personal Thai bank-account at the date of application for the 1-year extension, and have to keep it there during the 'under consideration' period till the application has been approved (if your Imm Office requires that). > In your case that option #2 is imo your best option. Cheers, success and no worries!

If you met the financial conditions under which your 1-year extension of stay for reason of retirement was issued, you would be able to apply for your next extension for reason of dependant Thai children (which only requires 400K on a personal Thai bank-account at moment of application, after which you are free to use the funds as you please). However, as you will not be able to prove that you met the financial condition under which your current 1-year extension for reason of retirement was issued (i.e. providing evidence that you kept +800K on your personal Thai bank-account during the first 3 months of that 1-year permission, then kept at least +400K during the next 7 months and finally topped up to +800K again 2 months before the date of application for your next 1-year extension), you will unfortunately not be able to do so. So you have 2 options: #1 - Engaging a 'fixer' agent, that will help you dodging the financial requirements again for a 1-year extension of stay for reason of retirement, OR #2 - Exiting Thailand in the final days of your current permission to stay, and re-entering VisaExempt, which will provide you with a 30 days permission to stay, and then when you have at least 15 days left on that Permit to stay, apply for a 90-day Non Imm O Visa for reason of dependant Thai children, and at the end of those 90-days then apply for the 1-year extension for same reason. > What you should NOT do is trying to apply for the 1-year extension for reason of dependant Thai children with your current status, as Immigration will check whether you met the financial conditions for your current 1-year extension based on retirement, and you will be in deep trouble when they see that you breached the conditions.

Re your question about being married to a Thai national. When you are already on a 1-year extension of stay and want to apply for another 1-year extension for your Non Imm O-A or your Non Imm O Visa, you have several options: 1 - applying for reason of retirement 2 - applying for reason of marriage or 3 - applying for reason of having Thai dependant children. Obviously each of these options has different requirements to be met when applying for it, and the financial requirements when applying for reason of Marriage or Thai dependant children are way lower than when applying for reason of retirement. An interesting point is that the mandatory Thai Health-Insurance when extending the permission to stay from your Non Imm O-A extension is ONLY applicable when applying for reason of retirement.

On top of the relevant reasons given by posters in previous responses, there is of course also the aspect of distance to Airport and distance to landborder-crossing from the place where you are residing. Bangkok, Chiang-Mai and Phuket have international Airports with flights out of Thailand, but when living elsewhere a trip to a land-border is often much closer. E.g. in my case, I live 70 km from the Chong Sa Ngam Thai-Cambodian border-crossing and nearest airport with NO international flights is in Ubon at 95km (and would have to take a flight to Bangkok from there, to then take an International flight).

You confirmed that your mother actually received a 1-year extension of her Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement at her local Imm Office, and bought a Multiple Entry Re-Entry Permit [3.800,- THB] at that same office to protect the permission to stay when exciting and re-entering Thailand during the extension's validity period. She needs to: - Ensure that the funds on her personal Thai bank-account never slip under the 800K tresshold during the first 3 months of her 1-year extension, then she is allowed to lower it to +400K but never going under that amount, and she has to top up again to +800K in the last 2 months before she applies for her next 1-year extension; - Do 90-day reports whenever she stays 90 consecutive days in Thailand; when she exits Thailand the 90-day clock starts from moment of re-entry.

BritTim is spot on. I doubt that your mother actually got a Multiple Entry Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement, as there are only a couple of consulates/embassies where you can get such Visa. Your mother might have applied in her home-country for a Non Imm O-A Visa (sometimes also referred to as a 'retirement' Visa), which is Multiple Entry and allows unlimited entry to Thailand during the Visa validity period (each time being stamped in for 12 months or the expiry date of the Health Insurance policy that such Visa requires); But I actually presume that your mother applied for a 1-year extension of her Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement at her local Imm Office, and bought a 1 Year Re-Entry Permit at that same office to protect the permission to stay when exciting and re-entering Thailand during the extension's validity period.

That explains it, as your first 90-day report on a new TM-30 requires to do it in person.

I don't understand how it is possible having done an EXTENSION in another Province, that you can do your 90-day report in Phuket. Can you please elaborate. = = = When you are on a VisaExempt or TouristVisa you can apply for a 30-day extension in any Imm Office, but in large majority of cases they would want you to provide them with a copy of the TM-30 notification of the place where you are staying in that Province. When you are on a Non Imm O Visa you can apply for a 1-year extension at the provincial Imm Office that issued the original Visa or previous extension (unless you offically relocated to another province). But afaik you only need to do a 90-day report when you are on a Non Imm O Visa or extension, and that 90-day report is a confirmation that you are still staying at the official address for Immigration purposes, for which you have notified Immigration by the TM-30 with the address in their province. From what you wrote I deduct that your official address is in Phuket, and that on the walk-in for doing your 90-day report, they saw that your TM-30 referred to another province (probably due to a Hotel stay in that other province) and they restored it to the original one.

When your address is not already registered on the on-line IO TM-30 website (e.g. your landlord having done so already), you should be able to register that address, which will then allow you to notify your local Imm Office of any foreigner (including yourself) staying at the premises by issuing a TM-30. Once it has been set-up dong so only takes 2 minutes, and it avoids having to go to your local Imm Office in person for doing the notification.

If the What Cannot Be Discussed on this Forum is the main reason for you taking a step back, do send me a PM and I will provide you with the link to the Thai sub-Forum (not AN) dedicated to such discussions (but also providing much needed humor and occasionally addressing spiritual issues). At the moment that sub-Forum has only 11 Members, but all with similar background and frustrated with the lack of free speech on That Which Cannot Be Discussed on regular Forums.

Yes, when you register as tenant > in that case a copy of the rental contract, a copy of your passport ID-page and (if possible) a copy of the house-book, can be used.

That's correct, the HOTEL/GUESTHOUSE is required by Thai law to notify local Immigration of any foreigner staying at their premises by issuing a TM-30. That's why they ask for your passport because otherwise they would not be able to fill in all the required info on the TM-30. But as a Tourist you do not need to do anything (except providing your passport) and it is only when the Tourist wants to extend his stay in Thailand and visits the local Immigration Office that they will ask for a copy of the TM-30 of the place where he is staying.

Guideline sent PM, and you are welcome.

Next time you make a trip have your Thai wife make the booking and let her register in the Hotel, and you being a 'visitor'. In case the Hotel insists on identification, you can try showing your Thai drivers-permit if you have that. If they insist on seeing your passport, ask them to not file a TM-30 because of the inconvenience it might cause you on return. And if they do notify local Immigration of you staying there by issuing a TM-30 ask for a copy of that TM-30. If the Hotel incorrectly filled in your Visa status by entering VisaExempt or TouristVisa, then the IO TM-30 system will overwrite your current official address for Immigration purposes and the Hotel-address will become your last known address in Thailand. The system should not do this when the Hotel correctly filled it in as Non Imm O Visa. NOTE: I did sent you a PM with a comprehensive guideline on TM-30 to register the place where you are staying on the IO TM-30 website (even if you are renting) and which will allow you to notify your local Imm Office of any foreigner (including yourself) staying at the premises. Doing so will at least avoid having to go to Immigration on your return to do the TM-30 notification in person, when the Hotel used an incorrect Visa status or when CM IO insists on you notifying them of your return from a domestic trip. Issuing the TM-30 takes only 2 minutes when having registered on the IO TM-30 website.

As a tourist the only time you will be confronted with the TM-30 address notification is when you need a service from an Immigration Office, e.g. applying for a 30-day extension of stay.

Nice mandala-like drawing. My impression is that that it each circle with a person in it represents a looking-glass, showing that everybody looks at the world from his/her perspective. But also, whether the person realizes it or not (some look only in their direction), that all of these looking-glass perspectives are interconnected and thus that reality is multi-faceted and as good as imperceptible in its totality.

So Many Open Signs of Financial Disaster Ahead Matthew Piepenburg connecting the dots... https://goldswitzerland.com/so-many-open-signs-of-financial-disaster-ahead-and-gold-working/

The potential buyer market of this Life-Long Elite Visa is of course very limited. In fact it are only those that are currently already considering signing up for the 20-year 1M THB Elite Visa. The extra 700K for this Life-Long Elite Visa is then motivated by the extra perks that this Life-Long Visa provides, as well as the Bonus that it can be re-sold when the owner wants to permanently leave Thailand or prefers other Visa options.

Your post reminded me of an interesting Substack article I recently came across, titled Breaking the Habits of Western Thinking: Cause and Effect Is Not a Thing The author makes the correct observation that the pre-dominant view in our Western materialistic culture is that 'cause leads to effect'. And while this is true on the pure physical plane, the opposite is also true in the spiritual realm where - strange as it may sound - the effect will determine the cause. Although the author is a Christian and uses biblical quotations to make his point, it is by no means a purely christian thesis, and is more a 'universal law' that has become almost alien to our Western 'scientific' logical way of thinking. Attached below an excerpt of the article: ~ Much of the power of science and scientific thinking is based upon this idea of cause and effect. It is simple really. If all there is in the world is matter, then everything we see today can be explained as an unbroken chain of cause and effect back to the very beginning of all things. Every action has a reaction. You do something and it has an effect. If I drop something, it falls to the ground. If I punch you in the nose, your nose will get broken and start to bleed. It is this idea of cause and effect that is foundational to the idea of human progress. By making small incremental changes to ourselves and the world around us, we can have progressively greater positive effects on the world, step by step. It’s foundational to the idea of evolution. But it is a profoundly western idea. It is an idea that runs counter to and undermines Biblical ways of thinking. Understanding this also, in my mind, helps us as Christians to draw ourselves apart from the broader culture, to understand the ways in which we are, or should be, thinking among our own ghetto nation. This, then, has real political implications, as I discussed in my most recent piece before this one. Because of this idea of cause and effect, we tend to look at our moral and spiritual life this way as well, through this lens of progressive improvement. In life we face countless choices every day. All we need to do to become better people and more Christ like is to make those choices in a way that is God honoring and in harmony with his commands. Each choice we face gives us an opportunity to put in motion a good action, “a cause,” that will lead to a positive “effect” in our lives. As the positive effects accumulate in our lives, we will become ever more Christ like. This is a deeply western and materialist way to think about “spiritual” growth. In fact, it isn’t really spiritual growth at all. It is materialist self-improvement jargon smuggled into the church. It is a form of self-salvation. Why is this idea of cause and effect so problematic? Because it places a burden upon us to always be making the right choices. But we tell ourselves that this is what the spiritual journey is. It is about making good life choices that have positive upbuilding effect in our lives. It sounds great. And this is familiar territory for all of us. There is a whole industry of Christian self-help advice offering their two-cents worth, helping us make good choices. But, unfortunately, its pretty much all wrong. We do make choices and we should make good choices, but the direction is all wrong. Because of this, we end up with a doctrine of self-salvation prettied up in fine sounding Christian God language. God helps me make good choices and because of the choices I make I become a better person. But in biblical ways of thinking, the effect determines the cause. The end of the journey you are on determines the choices you make today. For most of us, that just sounds bizarre. Effect determines cause. That is totally backwards and counter intuitive. And that is because spiritual realities are not the same as scientific realities. This is the danger of rationalism that ends in practical materialism. We have become so dominated by scientific materialism that it is almost impossible for us to actually read many biblical passages and really hear what they are saying to us and the implications for our lives. At the same time, many of us carry around a tremendous burden that we never measure up, we are never good enough. We carry this burden around with us in large part because we are trapped in a modern scientific worldview. We always feel like we never measure up, that we cannot make enough good choices. We beat up on ourselves for making bad choices. The full article can be accessed here: https://apokekrummenain.substack.com/p/breaking-the-habits-of-western-thinking?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=email&nthPub=73

1.7 M for a life-time Elite Visa, is a very reasonable offer. It is especially interesting for those that - have the funds and - are not married to a Thai national, and - would still have to wait several years before becoming 50 years of age, making them eligible for a Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement. I would be surprised if the OP would not get PMs from interested candidates.