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I'll check that. EDIT: Turns out you are correct. I apologize.

Factually incorrect. Take it from a Jewish source: https://promisedlandmuseum.org/peaceful-palestine/ Palestinian Jews Lived Peacefully Alongside Christians and Muslims for Years The word “Palestine” has historically been used to refer to the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. However, perhaps what the land was called is less significant than the interactions between the people who lived there together for centuries. The first moving picture featuring Palestine was captured by the Lumière brothers in 1896. The video shows the following: Successful businesses operating peacefully A bustling train station Jews, Christians, and Muslims living and praying in the same community Palestine had been under the control of the Muslim Ottoman Turks since the 1800s. Before 1917, residents of multiple faiths lived together in peace. In contrast to the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict, violence between faith groups was rare.

And I forgot to mention, Hamas does actually want a two state solution. In 2017 their charter was amended to recognise the state of Israel, and for Palestine to have a state based on the borders set in 1967 https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/10/10/23911661/hamas-israel-war-gaza-palestine-explainer

Sorry, I misread your post.

We need to separate Hamas' agenda and the agenda for a Palestinian state. Talking about Hamas endlessly is exactly what Bibi and his right wing pals want. While we are busy commenting on Hamas and their ideology, we are not talking about the injustices Palestinians face each and every day of their miserable lives. I am strongly in favor of current EU rumors - they are talking about enforcing a Palestinian state and recognizing them immediately. Giving them a state and putting the PA in charge of Gaza might bring about an end to this.

You said it was recent, they have been doing it for 30 years

My problem is I feel for both sides. This problem was caused by western racists - our ancestors who forced Jews out of their home countries across Europe and Russia. These pogroms effectively forced the Jewish people to find somewhere safe to live. Nazi Germany was the epitome of racism, and heralded the dawn of Israel as we know it today. We caused this problem. If we were not so racist in the past, these Jewish people would still be living in their home countries, and I assume the Jews, Christians and Arabs living in British Mandate for Palestine would still be living happily together in what would now be Palestine. Unfortunately, I also recognize the plight of Arabs who were massacred, disenfranchised and robbed of their homes and lands when Israel was formed. Whilst I recognize and defend the right of Israel to exist, it should have been done differently. Two states should have been set up, not only one for one party. The land should have been divided fairly, or one state with a democratically elected, secular governing body. Western bias makes me increasingly angry, we only ever hear from one side. You have to actively find information about the other side's plight. I am not surprised that there are so many people who adamantly refuse to acknowledge any crimes by Israel, the media feeds them a diet of 'Israel is a wonderful democracy, and it is always the victim' whilst ignoring the realities on the ground. Douglas Murray really gets under my skin every time I see his smug, fascist face on Talk TV. I deplore the racist overtones (they aren't shy, we can't say undertones!) of Talk TV - but I must watch it to see what the other side is saying.

Well now your tone has completely changed too - first you tried providing a Guardian article that backed up your claim. You failed to note that it concluded only 6 sexual assaults were verifiable - note they did not say rape, they said sexual assault. You now acknowledge that the systematic rape of Israelis has so far been unsubstantiated. No I do not admit that my post contained errors and misstatements. I omitted one word from a later post - systemic. If you look back at my previous posts before that one - my very first post on this subject, I clearly state: I believe some rape occurred, but I do not think it was systemic or en mass" I shouldn't have to clarify my words every single post. How is my statement incorrect? The one specific UN agency is the only agency with international approval to carry out these investigations, who else, pray tell would you suggest? The UN agency is the internationally accepted body that carries out investigations. Claiming the UN is antisemitic is just ridiculous. Then again, who would be surprised. They cast that smear on anyone who refuses to swallow their propaganda. Everything I have said has been backed up with sources, and I have responded to each and all of your points. I have credibility sir, and integrity.

Firstly, my apologies. I meant to write systemic rape. I did point out in my first post that I believed some rape occurred - as it does in every conflict. If you use google chrome (as i do), you can translate it. It says they cannot match the evidence to any victims (last line prior to the paywall cutting it off. They do not have any evidence of systemic rape. There is evidence (Times of Israel): https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-forbids-doctors-from-speaking-to-un-group-investigating-oct-7-atrocities/ Journalists who have said this is not true:

Me too, we agree. However, they will keep doing it until they get an independent state. This is the only solution. Can you agree that Bibi & his right wing pals have been an obstacle to peace since 1996? Can you agree that Bibi helped Hamas become what they are? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Incorrect. They have been carrying deadly weapons since 1994 https://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/26/world/west-bank-massacre-settlers-allowed-to-carry-guns.html

The Guardian can only corroborate six counts of sexual assault. Note that sexual assault also includes genital mutilation. Hardly a mass, systemic rape crusade. I do not condone this behavior, but it should be reported accurately. The fact that Israeli media itself says there is very little evidence of systematic rape speaks volumes. The Guardian can only find 6.

They just make the rules up as they go along these days. What a joke. I wouldn't be so annoyed if there was fairness. Women do not have to provide any financial information at all. How backwards is that?

Actually, with regards to death tolls, they are a reliable source of information. That being said, they do not tell us how many of the dead are terrorists. They do release names and Israeli ID numbers of all the dead to prove their claims... one might be asking how do they have Israeli ID numbers... this is because Israel is in control of the population records (as it is also in control of water, electricity, etc.) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-is-gazas-ministry-of-health-and-how-does-it-calculate-the-wars-death-toll

Reform UK... more like 'Fascist UK'

I quite clearly won! It is not a political term, it is a legal one. Much like genocide and ethnic cleansing, they are legal questions that have been, and are currently being asked. There is so much proof and validation from international law. Your Israel talking points are meaningless. All international agencies, and most governments around the world - including Israel's biggest supporter the US government, all agree that under international law, Gaza is occupied. Trying to simplify it into controlling borders and a sea blockade is ludicrous. That is not what is going on, and if you don't know the situation on the ground, you should not be commenting so brazenly against all the evidence. I have the law on my side, the UN, Amnesty International, Doctors without borders, the ICJ the ICC, Israels OWN supreme court all agree that it is occupied. You don't have anything, not a single reference. Facts are important. Goodbye.

Just google it, even the US agrees that it is occupied. I won't be commenting anymore on this thread.

No need, I did that for you earlier

I did not ask you for citations. I just included the last sentence from the same source you quoted from wikipedia that debunks your claim. here it is again: On January 2, 2024, U.S. intelligence confirmed its belief that Hamas used the Al-Shifa Hospital as a command center and to hold Israeli hostages, mentioning in an assessment that Hamas “used the al-Shifa hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure, exercise certain command and control activities, store some weapons, and hold at least a few hostages.”[65][66][42] However, news reports the next day said that that both Israeli and US statements are not considered as conclusive proof of Hamas use of al-Shifa.[67][68]

I literally found the same source you quoted, and included the last line that you had conveniently cut out - because it didn't fit your narrative. Have I been wasting my time talking with a troll all day? Damn...

There is no new evidence, you are just making stuff up. It quite clearly says "we continue to believe". There is a plethora of evidence, most of it publicly available on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospital journalists for The Independent claimed that "Israel has not presented evidence that shows a large-scale headquarters under the hospital".[56] CNN analysis suggested Israel had rearranged the weaponry before allowing press into the hospital.[57] The Washington Post analyzed the publicly released material by Israel, along with satellite imagery and other publicly available material, and concluded that the rooms that were connected to a tunnel network showed "no immediate evidence of military use by Hamas", and that each of the buildings that the IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari had identified as being "directly involved" in Hamas's military activity did not appear to be connected to any tunnel network, and that there had been no evidence released that showed that a tunnel network could be accessed by any part of the hospital.[64] On January 2, 2024, U.S. intelligence confirmed its belief that Hamas used the Al-Shifa Hospital as a command center and to hold Israeli hostages, mentioning in an assessment that Hamas “used the al-Shifa hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure, exercise certain command and control activities, store some weapons, and hold at least a few hostages.”[65][66][42] However, news reports the next day said that that both Israeli and US statements are not considered as conclusive proof of Hamas use of al-Shifa.[67][68]

It has been debunked by several media outlets, and I have given you several AMERICAN sources. CNN, Washington post & NY times. What more do you need? Anyway, this is all beside the point. Israel must stop this ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. Hopefully the ICJ will come to the right decision and order the terrorist government of Bibi to end the massacre.

Who is being pedantic now? Does a bomb not blow stuff up?

I will not respond to you, please stop trying to engage me in your unsupported rants.

Finally found the correct hospital. I originally replied with the Al Shifa hospital, and realized my error. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/23/middleeast/kamal-adwan-hospital-gaza-israel-abuse-allegations-intl-cmd/index.html So they arrested the man who told the news what they were doing in the hospital, backed up by his colleagues and shows them CCTV evidence for all his allegations. He then 'admits' to being a commander for Hamas after being arrested and interrogated. Sounds a bit suss to me.