Jeff the Chef

Defending the undefendable with atrocities from Hamas. The IDF went past at least 2 ambulances and of course the IDF would take him to hospital if there was a shred of evidence he was in anyway connected with an attack on them, I think not.

A better view here: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/6/23/israeli-military-says-soldiers-violated-orders-by-tying-man-to-vehicle

The most moral army, strikes again: The Israeli military has said its forces violated protocol by strapping a wounded Palestinian man to the front of their vehicle during a raid in the West Bank city of Jenin. The Israel Defense Forces confirmed the incident after it was captured on video and shared on social media. An IDF statement said the man was wounded in an exchange of fire during the raid, in which he was a suspect. The injured man's family said that when they asked for an ambulance, the army took him, strapped him to the bonnet of their jeep and drove off. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

Please reread my post and inwardly digest, nothing more to say to you, thanks.

Never mentioned Hamas, you did. I said Palestinians, as for your comment "Sounds like you want that", get your facts right before making accusations, I just want peace in the region.

Happy Birthday, Naama

As I said negotiate or have a forever war.

Israel has 2 choices, either negotiate with the Palestinians a permanent ceasefire, move back to the 67 borders and a 2 state solution, or a forever terrorist war.

You never know, maybe the most moral army in the world got one right for a change, eventually, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. DF

Hang about for a bit I'll give him a ring for you, DF

Great shot and no civilian casualties, wonders will never cease 🍉

Only trying to keep you informed after your comedy post.

The US rendered Asadullah to Guantánamo 2007. His family feared him dead for many years and for the first nine years of his captivity, he did not have access to a lawyer, despite multiple attempts to obtain legal representation. Reprieve and the law firm Lewis Baach Kaufmann Middlemiss filed a writ for a petition of habeas corpus on his behalf in 2016, in which they demanded his release. After years of litigation, in October 2021, they prevailed: the District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that Asadullah’s detention was not legal, because he had only been a part of Hezb-e-Islami (HIA), a group that has been formally at peace since 2016, and he was not a part of Al Qaeda. The judge thus ordered his release. Asadullah was the first Guantánamo Bay detainee in over ten years to win a habeas case. https://reprieve.org/uk/2022/06/24/release-of-guantanamo-detainee-asadullah-haroon-gul-who-was-unlawfully-imprisoned/

Haroon, who won his case against the US government for illegal imprisonment in 2021, was held without charge in the notorious Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba for 16 years following his arrest in 2007. Without a doubt, he says, Palestinians held in Israeli prisons now are enduring similar treatment to that he experienced. “It’s like in the first days when I was arrested, I was beaten to an extent that I was standing; I couldn’t sit down or if I was sitting down and beaten up, I couldn’t get up. Same with insomnia and I was assaulted for several days. A lot of the prisoners were bitten by dogs. We were provided very little medical care. “Physical torture was really bad but the worst was mental torture in different forms. I believe there isn’t much of a difference in the torture of prisoners of Palestine, Guantanamo, Bagram and Abu Ghraib.”

I suppose one of the Hamas terrorists could have knocked on the tanks door and asked if they could have a go with the tanks FN MAG machine gun to shoot up a Kia Picanto that was up to 23 meters away, now is that possible or likely?

Well it was "likely" fired by the Israel Defence Forces the most moral soldiers in the world in a Merkava tank. Earshot found that with the minimum registered interval of 24 milliseconds, this tank would have to have been positioned just 13 metres away from the car. With the maximum interval of 40 milliseconds, the tank would have still been only 23 metres away from the car. This analysis suggests that the tank had to be positioned within close range (13–23 metres) of the car when it fired the shots that killed Layan. At such proximity, it is not plausible that the shooter could not have seen that the car was occupied by civilians, including children. Earshot’s audio ballistic analysis supports the final words of Layan Hamada: the gunfire came from a tank that was next to them. https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab

Forensic Architecture probe concludes Israeli tank likely killed Palestinian child Hind Rajab Investigation reveals Rajab's car was hit with 355 bullets and finds it 'not plausible' that Israeli tank couldn't see children inside car Forensic Architecture said that the gun used for this attack was "firing at a range of 750–900 rounds per minute", and that this range exceeds that of the AK-type assault rifle that is commonly attributed to Palestinian fighters operating in Gaza. "This range of rounds per minute is consistent with Israeli army-issued weaponry such as the M4 assault rifle or the FN MAG machine gun on a Merkava tank," the investigation said. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/forensic-architecture-probe-says-israeli-tank-fire-likely-killed-palestinian-child-hind-rajab

Armenia has formally recognised of the state of Palestine, the Armenian foreign ministry said in a statement on Friday. The ministry cited the "catastrophic humanitarian situation in Gaza" among the reasons behind its decision, which was welcomed by the Palestinian Authority (PA) and Hamas, and prompted a rebuke from Israel. Yerevan rejected violence against civilians and hostage-taking, the foreign ministry's statement said, adding that it was committed to establishing "lasting reconciliation between the Jewish and Palestinian peoples". The statement reaffirmed Armenia's support for a "two-state" solution. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/armenia-recognises-palestine-state

Israeli army investigation suggests many 7 October casualties caused by friendly fire The findings of the Israeli report are consistent with the results of a UN inquiry earlier this month. During the operation to counter Hamas-led forces that broke into southern Israel, there were "multiple incidents of our forces firing on our forces," according to the investigation, as reported by Israeli outlet N12. The investigation comes as evidence continues to mount of some Israeli deaths on 7 October being caused - both intentionally and unintentionally - by their own forces. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-army-investigation-suggests-many-7-october-casualties-caused-friendly-fire

‘Happening again’: Guantanamo victims say Israel using ‘US-style’ torture Former prisoners who suffered mistreatment in US detention facilities say Israeli abuse of Palestinian detainees follows the same patterns. When former Guantanamo detainee Asadullah Haroon looks at pictures of Palestinians being held in Israeli prisons, the memories of his own abuse and torture in United States detention centres come flooding back. “This is the worst form of oppression,” he says. “When you are labelled as a terrorist you cannot defend yourself in any way. Without a doubt it’s the same process; they are torturing the people in the same way. I think the Americans have made this and the Israelis are implementing it.” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/22/happening-again-guantanamo-victims-say-israel-using-us-style-torture

US, Israel and Argentina slip down World Press Freedom Index Press freedom declining around the world as a result of political pressure, suppression of independent media and harassment of journalists, RSF says Press freedom is in decline around the over as a consequence of political pressure, disinformation, suppression of independent media and harassment of journalists, according to the latest World Press Freedom Index. The annual index is compiled by Reporters Without Borders, or RSF as it’s known by its French initials, an international nonprofit focussed on safeguarding the right to freedom of information. The 2024 index, published on Friday. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-press-freedom-index-us-israel-b2539069.html

Tried a can of Full Moon Malt last night, for a change, found it in our local Lotus, 53baht, not bad for a wheat beer that's made here.

Some Israeli's know what they want, such a nice man, or is he, discuss? Israel: Former MP invokes Hitler in call to expel Gaza's 'Islamo-Nazi' population Moshe Feiglin in TV interview calls for resettlement of Gaza and expulsion of Palestinians. In a panel discussion on Channel 12, Feiglin called for resettlement in Gaza and argued Israel should transform the Palestinian territory into a "Hebrew Gaza". "We are not guests in our country, this is our country, all of it," he said in the video shared on Sunday in Israeli social media. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-former-knesset-member-moshe-feiglin-invokes-hitler-while-calling-gaza-resettlement

A nice history lesson but the topic is https://aseannow.com/topic/1328831-children-die-of-malnutrition-as-rafah-operation-heightens-threat-of-famine-in-gaza/page/2/

Considering there are 19 paragraphs about Israel and the State of Palestine in the report and of those 14 were verified, of the 5 that were not verified. Paragraph 94 was the opening statement on the conflict from 7/10. Paragraph 97 has already been discussed in this thread. Paragraphs 102, 103 and 105 are Statements of facts, which I have included below. Paragraphs 102, Perpetrators include Hamas’ Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades and other Palestinian armed groups (54), individual Palestinian perpetrators (12), and unidentified perpetrators (4) including during crossfire between Hamas’ Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades and Israeli armed and security forces (4). Paragraph 103. Sexual violence against Israeli civilians, including children, in the context of the 7 October attacks in southern Israel, was reported. Paragraph 105. A total of 47 Israeli children (20 boys, 27 girls) were abducted by Hamas’ Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades and other Palestinian armed groups in southern Israel, 36 of whom were held hostage and subjected to ill-treatment in the Gaza Strip by Hamas’ Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Palestinian Islamic Jihad’s Al-Quds Brigades, the Palestinian Mujahidin Movement Mujahidin Brigades and other Palestinian armed groups. Two boys were still being held as at December 2023. Children held hostage in the Gaza Strip continue to be denied humanitarian access and assistance. The remaining 11 children were abducted by Hamas’ Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Palestinian Islamic Jihad’s Al-Quds Brigades and other Palestinian armed groups during the 7 October attacks in southern Israel and escaped or were released (8) or were killed (3). The remaining 5 paragraphs were to do with Developments and concerns. I can understand Israel's concerns as it does show to the rest of he World that they are as complicit as the Terrorist Groups in the death, maiming and grave violations against children as can be seen in the report. In my opinion both sides need to be tried at the ICC.