WDSmart

The 1947 UN Resolution and it's history is too much to go into here. Suffice to say it was the result of an earlier action by the UK, who claimed ownership of Palestine (WTF??) and gave rights to the Jews to live there. This resolution was a further sanctioning of that. Neither of these were done with agreement of the actual people who lived there, the Palestinian Arab Muslims. And even then, this resolution divided Palestine up into regions with much less being given to the Jews than they now occupy. Thank you for wishing me luck. I genuinely need it when corresponding with people like you.

I don't know why you keep accusing me of being dishonest. I'm only stating my opinion. Yes, most people only interrupt "antisemitism" with being anti-Jewish and don't even know its more accurate meaning includes Arabs and some North African people. That's probably because we in the West have historically accepted Jews more than Arabs/Muslims. I, AT LEAST, know what "Semite" actually means. I hope you are being truthful about being "done to death" on these sorts of topics. That would be very welcome for me.

My point is there have been continuing wars (military actions) for over 70 years, and that's just on our current calendar. There were many conflicts between Jews and Arabs before that. So, you're pointing to just one of them to prove some kind of point is not convincing to me.

Morch... My use of "at least" means just what it says: you finally did agree that the term "Zionists" includes radicals, but that's all you did. You did not agree with me that those supporting Hamas also include non-radicals. There are plenty of Palestinians who either want all the Jews completely out of their country, or want a two-state solution, or at least (there it is again!) are willing to live with Jews equally as part of a one-state solution but do not support radical actions, such as killings, to achieve that. Yes, most people believe the term "antisemitism" refers ONLY to anti-Jewish sentiments. The term does mean anti-Jewish, but it ALSO means anti-Arab. I have informed myself on the definition of the term. I advise you to do so also. I assume you are a native English speaker, probably from the UK since you use single quote marks, so you should know the meaning of "anti." Then, all you have to do is look up the word "Semite," and you'll find out what "antisemitic" means.

Sounds like you might be a good negotiator for either Hamas or the Zionists...

To which war are you referring? There have been many....

Thanks for at least agreeing that there are some Zionists that are extreme. I do associate them exclusively with the term "Zionist," although I accept that there are some more moderate zionists also. I believe that to be true of Hamas also, but I know you don't. Anyway, my original quote about "eliminating" them refers to the extreme factions in both camps. I am impressed that you know that "semite" does not refer only to Jews but to Arabs and some North Africans also. Most people don't know that. So, although "antisemite" does mean "anti-Jew," it can also be used to refer to anything "anti-Arab" also. I am not going to "Try harder." I'll end our discussion here, unless, of course, you make any other remarks to which I believe a reply is necessary. Ta-ta! I'm sure I'll see you around AseanNow on other topics....

Trump with a "mixed message"? Who would have thought?

Thank you for terminating our discussion.

No, I'm not wrong; I just disagree with you. Israel may now include 20% Arabs, but 50 years ago, Palestine also contained a few Jews, but mostly Arabs. The Zionists have driven Arabs out of Palestine or into the small, controlled areas of Gaza and the West Bank. And, Israel is continually carving out land for its Jewish citizens out of these areas.

Zionist: a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. - Oxford Dictionary. The "what is now Israel" should be preceded by "what used to be Palestine."

Why would the Palestinians accept as two-state solution to allow some other group to inhabit part of their land? Anyway, I think the best approach would be a one-state solution where all parties, Jews and Palestinians, have equal rights as citizens.

And Zionists goals are to either expel all non-Jews from Palestine (what is now called "Israel'), or at least to contain them into small areas such as Gaza and the West Bank, and to control them. And, as we have seen over the last month and a half, they will do that using any means they can, including deadly force.

No, I my full reference was that I support the elimination of BOTH Hamas and Zionists, NOT all Palestinians and Jews.

You are only assuming your "facts" are true. I have also based much of what I posted in this exchange on "facts" that I have read online, and I have even quoted and posted links to them. And, yes, I have added my opinion to them also, but not to the point that I have distorted what I have read (and quoted) to make them "untrue." I have suggested that many of your comments seem to be antisemitic because they contain a lot of one-sided criticism of Hamas and Palestinians. Of course, I'm sure you think that criticism is warranted and one-sided because that one side is based on what you believe to be "facts," so it is, of course, "true."

There is some agreement and some similarity. I claim something I believe is true and so do you. I am not trolling but you seem to be. Why? Why can't you just accept that some people, like me, have different opinions about certain issues than you, and their opinions are based on things they've read and believe they know? That's what I think about you. The only difference between us is you are so certain that what you believe is "true and the ONLY TRUTH!" that you just cannot tolerate someone who disagrees with you. And, the bottom line is all I have said initially is I believe BOTH Hamas and Zionists (okay, I'll amend that to "extreme, right-wing, violence-advocating Zionists) should be eliminated. I believe what we are seeing right now in Palestine/Israel is the clash of the most extreme factions of these two groups. I am not antisemitic, but your comments regarding Palestinians and Hamas seem to be.

There is "ditto." We do agree on this one thing - kind of. There are two definitions of "trolling," according to the the Oxford Language Dictionary. I am "not guilty" of one but "guilty" of the second. #1 - Trolling is "...to make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them." I plead "not guilty" to this. You are the one who continually posts remarks to my posts that end with some insulting references to me. I did not do that in my counter-remarks until my "Ditto" remark. #2 - Trolling can also be defined as "carefully and systematically search[ing] an area for something." I plead "guilty" to this. This is exactly what my posts and remarks have been intended to do. I do not accuse you of posting things that are "untrue," but just based on your opinion from what you've read. I am just doing the same..."ditto."

Ditto! At least we agree on something...

So, quotes from Wikipedia are "uninformed biased nonsense," but both of the two online versions (presumably translated to English) of the "Hamas Charter" are respected references? The bottom line is BOTH Hamas and Zionists want the same land. They each have their own arguments for this. They BOTH have tried/are trying to enforce their expectations using force. And, as I keep suggesting, they BOTH need to be eliminated.

So are Zionists.

Here is Wikipedia's definition of Zionism: "The common denominator among all Zionists has been a claim to Palestine, a land traditionally known in Jewish writings as the Land of Israel ("Eretz Israel") as a national homeland of the Jews and as the legitimate focus for Jewish national self-determination. It is based on historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel." It's probably true that not all Zionists want to expel or isolate all non-Jews or want to accomplish the goals above by force, but I associate the most extreme motives of Zionism with the group I call "Zionists." Hamas is defined as "...a Palestinian Islamic movement founded in 1987 with the aim of establishing a Palestinian state incorporating present-day Israel and the West Bank." And it is just as probably true that not all those who support Hamas want that done by force, but again, I (and probably you and most everyone else who reads the news) associate the most extreme motives of Hamas with that group as a whole. That's why I posted what I did way above that began this thread. I basically said, "BOTH Hamas and Zionists should be eliminated." And, by that, I mean I do associate the most extreme motives with both groups.

Zionism is a movement with clear goals and a more or less coherent ideology. Both extreme. Their goal is to continue to take over Palestine and either remove all non-Jews or isolate them into small, controlled areas like those that already exist in Gaza and the West Bank. Their ideology is that this land (then called "Canaan") was first given to them by their "God" (Yahweh) thousands of years ago and then again by Britain (who then controlled Palestine) in 1917. (See History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia for details.) The Zionists have used force to gain more and more control over Palestine (now called "Israel") ever since. Dec 4th is just a continuation of the struggle of the Palestinians to try to regain their state, or at least be recognized as equals in it, and of the Zionists to take it over. Knowledge is not bliss, and in fact, can be upsetting - but it is necessary for understanding.

So do Zionists...

It looks like it made her lips swell up!

Why isn't this (and releasing balloons in the air at a funeral or wedding in the USA) considered littering and made illegal?