Hawaiian

On 12/27/2023 at 9:03 AM, swm59nj said:

I have eaten sushi in the States and Japan.  Not everyone eats it with soy or wasabi.  It’s a matter of taste.  And depending on the quality of the fish it varies in price.  
And not all sushi is raw.  So people that think all sushi is raw fish don’t know anything about it. 
Many  places freeze the fish first.  To kill any parasites. 

Not in Hawaii.  Hi grade fresh ahi commands top prices.

https://www.khon2.com/local-news/keeping-traditions alive-sashimi for-the-new-year/

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

USA, are you really that blinkered?

 

No, it seems you are the one blinded by your eagerness to find something to find fault with.

"Leaders in certain western countries," is what your pal wrote. I was taught that an "s" added to the two words in question meant plural. Been away too long from the highlands?  Besides, why are you replying for your pal?

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and the longer the conflict drags on the more Palestinians die and the more Palestinians die the more people all round the world turn against israel. Israel may succeed in once again suppressing Palestinian resistance to the oppressors, but will IMO have no friends left, other than leaders in certain western countries ( they won't have the support of their citizens though ).

And just what certain western countries are you referring to?  And how do you know those leaders won't have the support of their citizens?  Those that do support Israel may not be in the majority, but never the less it doesn't mean no support as you claim.

Even if Israel is losing support they will not stop.  They will just speed up the process meaning more Palestinian lives will be lost at a faster pace.  Your huffing and puffing is all in vain.

44 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

They require sushi grade fish to be frozen for a reason ... UP2U

 

Little known fact, that people should know, but most don't.  The relationship between parasites & cancer getting started.

 

Runs in family, and everyone on father's side died of, except him, before reaching 60 yrs old.

 

I even take ivermectin as a PrEP every year or 2 or so, as one of the main anti-parasite drugs given to most cancer patients.

 

Many believe, less parasites, less parasite waste = less risk of cancer.

Same thinking of those NE TH gals, with the "JIC/to make sure" thinking when eating Nam Pla, to avoid liver flukes & cholangiocarcinoma (cancer).   A little PrEP (Praziquantel) never hurts every year of so.

 

Whether treated with chemo or radiation, IVM is usually administered also ... go figure. (scroll down to highlighted text)

 

Know your body, and what you put in it 😎

Here's more anecdotal evidence, but contrary to your personal experience.

My dad lived to 87, my mother to 95.  Both ate raw fish.  Neither died from cancer. I am 84, my younger sister is 82 and my older sister is 92. None of us has or had cancer in any form. Of the three, I consume the most raw fish.  My brother lived in Germany for most of his life and did not like raw fish.  He died of bone cancer at age 76.  

Not to disagree with you, but perhaps why the lack of concern here in Hawaii.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19842365

NOTE:  Statistics from survey of doctors.  Not proof, but not anecdotal evidence,

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28 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

If it's not 'sushi grade' when purchased, do they freeze it down to (-4°F) or below for 7 days, or -31°C for 15 hours, along with storing at proper temp before using ?

 

For those too lazy or uninterested in the link:

"Sushi-grade- Freezing and storing seafood at-20°C (-4°F) or below for 7 days (total time), or freezing at-35°C (-31°F) or below until solid and storing at -35°C (-31°F) or below for 15 hours, or freezing at -35°C (-31°F) or below until solid and storing at -20°C (-4°F) or below for 24 hours."

Until now, I never paid much attention to the freezing requirement.  About a year ago I watched a video which mentioned this.

Here in Hawaii, we regularly use freshly caught ahi, (yellow-fin tuna) for sashimi and poke (seasoned raw fish) without giving it a second thought.  In all my years I have never heard of anyone here getting infected with parasites.  Cigautera, yes.

Supermarkets advertise the different varieties of poke made with "previously frozen ahi" for half the price of poke made with fresh ahi.  Personally, I really can't see much of a difference except for the price.  So what do you think I buy?

My son regularly goes handline fishing on his boat.  He brings in various kinds of small fish ranging from one to four pounds.  What our family doesn't eat is sold to my girlfriend's fellow employees.  Demand is such they are gone within hours.

Tuna fishing is for the big boys, which can be quite risky.  So we continue to buy our tuna from the supermarkets which offer a fairly good selection.

7 hours ago, swm59nj said:

I have eaten sushi in the States and Japan.  Not everyone eats it with soy or wasabi.  It’s a matter of taste.  And depending on the quality of the fish it varies in price.  
And not all sushi is raw.  So people that think all sushi is raw fish don’t know anything about it. 
Many  places freeze the fish first.  To kill any parasites. 

Similar to those whose idea of Thai food is som tam, pad thai and red, yellow and green curries.

The nori maki sushi I make has seasoned canned tuna, with scrambled egg and carrot strips inside.  Sometimes I had  kampyo (dried gourd).  Canned broiled eel

(unagi) has gone up tremendously in price, so most people like me used canned tuna. I also like to make inari sushi which is seasoned rice with small bits of kamaboko (steamed fish cake), cooked carrots and green beans stuffed in fried bean curd (aburage) purses. When it comes to raw fish, I used raw ahi with a little wasabi rolled in seasoned rice wrapped in nori.  The choice is endless and I enjoy them all.

16 minutes ago, freeworld said:

Same, I would never buy those kinds of sushi on display sitting there for whoever knows how long.

In Hawaii, the health department requires sushi and similar foods to be sold in sealed containers or in saran wrap and displayed in refrigerated show cases.  Unsold items must be removed after so long, with some foods in as little as four hours.

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Killing and eating animals is disgusting.

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2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Killing and eating animals is disgusting.

You must have missed my post describing the types of sushi.  Some varieties of futomaki is vegetarian all the way.  Strips of fresh cucumber or takuan (pickled daikon) and recently avocado, embedded in seasoned rice and wrapped in nori (laver) are the vegetable ones I am familiar with.  No animals involved!

Mark Wiens' videos are always entertaining and informative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm2dczXpBG0

11 minutes ago, Peterphuket said:

You just beat me to it, I was looking for my visit to a big wasabi farm in Japan, factoid: they even make ice cream from it.

One of my neighbors is selling genuine wasabi plants.  This is a specialized crop that does best with the plant roots stretching out to cold running water.  At least that is what he told me.

We are at 4,000 ft elevation on the windward side of Kilauea Volcano.

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

 

I do hope they don't.  It closed in 2018, so the fish would be pretty ancient by now.

 

They now buy from its replacement, Toyosu Market.

 

Incidentally, and I don't think this has been mentioned before, but the freezing for the top quality fish is done using liquid nitrogen best to preserve the fish texture, taste and aroma.

I stand corrected.  They moved to Toyosu, hence the new name.  The old market was named after the reclaimed land it sat on. What's amazing, it took only four days to move house.  Now, bigger and more modern.

https://www.japan.travel/en/spot/2034

I visited the old market, once, in 1972.  In my hometown we have a Japanese style fish auction run by a 100 year old company.  In my younger days we would go early in the morning to pick up "fish guts" to use for bait in our crab nets.  For lunch we would buy 5 or 10 cent tempura fish cakes from the fishcake factory.  The fishcakes contained local shark meat which now banned. Times have changed.

2 hours ago, pgrahmm said:

We had fresh sushi available locally until COVID took it's toll....It was reasonable at 12 choices for 200 baht & he'd add a couple more.....

Truthfully, my wife & daughters can prepare sushi combinations at minimal costs.....

My wife would prefer to prepare it at home.....One daughter has a sushi restaurant that she favors for special days & birthdays....

In any case, we avoid "market" place conditions where it's prepared & sitting out on display - waiting - subject to the surrounding conditions.....

The high end places buy their seafood from the largest fish market in the world, Tokyo's famous Tsukuji Fish Market.

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

That why in the real world, sushi must be from frozen seafood.

I mentioned this in my first post.

2 minutes ago, 2baht said:

I like my food cooked!

I understand and can't blame you.  Raw shellfish of any kind in Thailand is taboo for me.  The bacteria in them does a number on me that requires an antibiotic like Ciprofloxacin to make me well. Never had that problem eating raw oysters elsewhere.

What about tomatoes and other veggies that are served both cooked and raw? 

4 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Nope don't eat it.Parasites potential is too high.Thought of raw fish would have me throwing up.

I grew up eating sushi, sashimi and poke, which is Hawaiian-style seasoned  raw fish, and kinilaw, Filipino-style seasoned raw fish. 

Here in Hawaii, ciguatera fish poisoning is more of a concern than parasites.

Over the years, I've had numerous custom-carved wood portraits made in a small village outside of Chiang Mai.  I always hand carried the items back with me to the states.  If the carvings are of teak or other protected species there may be a problem without an export license.  I was warned by the wife of a close friend about this law.  She worked for a large import/export company so I think she knew what she was talking about.

The shops that regularly sell and ship these items are probably a good choice since they know how to comply with any documentation required.  The guy and his brother  that did my carvings not only worked out of their wood shop, but traveled to various temples around the country to do custom. work. 

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

I talk about others here who don't agree with you that i spread Islamophobia and hate content, prove to me that I'm wrong, prove to me that Islam is a religion of love and peace and that this religion doesn't call for it's followers to be martyrs,

People in Gaza, including babies and women will continue to die as long as Hamas is in control and so far, judging from the fact that no Palestinian is getting up to revolt to stop this madness, the death toll will only rise...

As long as Hamas is in control the people in Gaza will die.  It has just been announced that Hamas and the Islamic Jihad have rejected Egypt's proposal for a ceasefire.  The proposal lays out plans for a permanent cessation of hostilities.

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

On the other hand there's this:

Iran-Backed Forces Widen Their Attacks on Commercial Shipping

"But other companies that have stopped voyages through the waterway, including BP PLC of the U.K. and Equinor of Norway, have yet to return."

 https://archive.ph/oQfMI#selection-4575.0-4581.61

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-backed-forces-widen-their-attacks-on-commercial-shipping-3121ae62?mod=hp_lead_pos1

The very reason why I mentioned guinea pig.

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

The Holy Father's condemnation of Israel is very significant. 

 

The Pope should clean house before condemning others.  The Catholic Church has a horrendous record of human rights abuse.

40 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Probably.

Trade relations being what they are, India will probably try to influence things diplomatically, plus get more involved in the defensive angle.

Agree.  Have you noticed they have not joined the other 20 or so countries in the task force?  Like you say, they don't want to take sides.