Wingate

Sounds like someone who still believes 2020 was a stolen election. I guess some people also still think 12 men did not walk on the Moon. Tough to fix delusion. Anybody know where to find Ted Patrick, the "deprogrammer"?

Since MAGAs lack any sort of morality or character, it is of no concern to them that Trump either knows full well MbS ordered the slaughter and flaying of Khashoggi (face peeled off, penis cut off, etc., as the images sent back to MbS from the killers proved Khashoggi's death), or Trump has such severe dementia, he forgot DCI Gina Haspel gave him a full briefing with the SIGINT. Neither does it concern MAGAs that the sitting President uses the US Taxpayer money to host a guy who is allowing Trump's business to build three towers in Saudi Arabia. "But Hunter's laptop!!!!!!"

SIGINT intercepts of phone conversations and messages is not "allegedly"; it is fact. DCI Gina Haspel personally provided the intel to Trump during his first term. Trump knows full well MbS ordered the slaughter of Khashoggi. Trump simply does not care, because now the Trump Org has at least three Trump Towers under construction in Saudi Arabia. Maybe Trump could play the "dementia card" and claim, "I forgot what DCI Haspel showed me".

Perhaps he's getting at something which you seem to miss.....Trump ordered his "independent" AG to investigate Clinton, despite Trump's name being more prominent in the files. Goose but not the gander, I guess. Oh, and "weaponization". Also, Trump is now lying, saying he kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago because Trump "finally learned" Epstein was a pervert. At the time Trump kicked him out, and according to Michael Cohen, Trump and Epstein fell out because of the Palm Beach property eventually sold to a Russian oligarch. Epstein heard about the property being for sale and asked his buddy Trump to assess the place and advise Epstein as to whether it represented value. Trump checked it out and then front ran his buddy and borrowed money to buy it himself. He then sold it to the Russian (who, incidentally, painted public hair and red nipples on the statuettes lining the property's swimming pool.) The falling out was noted in media at the time, as Trump was long fodder for tabloids.

MAGAs are experts on being "pathetic sheep". That comes with being a member of the cult. Best you wait for the approved talking points on why "some files" are either withheld or have been redacted. Trump's House butt man, aka Speaker Johnson, already performed a dog and pony show as to why the discharge petition and subsequent vote were wrong. Johnson had the temerity to actually say release would hurt the "victims" despite the victims all calling for full release. Then there's "risk disclosure of non-credible allegations, which creates new victims", which is laughable, given that Trump ordered his "independent" AG to investigate Clinton in the files (which opens up the chance to withhold on the grounds of a "ongoing investigation". Of course MAGA sheeple will get their marching orders and say Baaaaaa!!!!!!.....their own wool pulled over their eyes.

I seem to remember all sorts of hand wringing when MAGAs were accusing Hunter from using his father to enrich himself. Oddly---or perhaps not---not a peep out of MAGAs when Trump hosts a murderer who slaughtered a US Person, but presides over a nation where there is a Trump Tower Jeddah under construction, as well as two other Trump properties. Trump has not divested his ownership in the Trump Corporation, so that is blatant corruption and self-dealing. And let us not forget MbS gave Jared Kushner $2 billion to "manage", despite Jared have a total of zero fund management experience. So the US Taxpayers host a murderer whose influence personally benefits Trump financially. Funny how some MAGAs "have better things to do" than concern themselves about the worst Presidential corruption in US History.

Trump is a disciple of Ray Cohn, who taught him how to say what he really wants to say, while pretending something different. In his 6 January speech on the Mall---after he had called his goobers to DC for what?---Trump used the word "fight" 37 times, and "peacefully" but 1 time. Now imagine you're a Trump goober with an IQ way left of the mean on the IQ Bell Curve, carrying your cult flags, with bear spray in your pocket, perhaps wearing a Camp Auschwitz T-shirt, and you hear "fight" 37 times and "peacefully" once. Even a MAGA goober is going to know what Trump wants. Why would Trump even tell them to "peacefully" go to the Capitol? To buy souvenirs of his defeat? There was absolutely no legitimate reason for the mob to march to the Capitol. They were sent there by Trump for one reason: to try to stop the election certification of Trump's defeat to Biden. Then Trump sat and watched the terrorist attack for 187 minutes before finally telling the goobers to back off. Why didn't he immediately call out the National Guard? He sends the Guard to Portland to watch people dressed as rabbits singing in the street. Oh, and ONLY the President call can out the Guard in DC to a Federal Building. Trump lied saying Pelosi could have done it. Even Trump's staff knows this reality, as they asked him many times during the siege to do it. Trump sat and did nothing. There is simply no doubt in any rational person's mind what Trump hoped would happen and what he tried to foment. Of course "rational" leaves out the cult. Even the MAGA Repubs know this, which is why they refuse to allow SC Jack Smith to appear in an open Hearing before Congress, as he will detail why he indicted Trump.

Please do tell how Biden, aka Sleepy Joe" to Trump and MAGAs, weaponized the Doj. For a sleepy guy, that's quite a trick. Do you mean how his pity-appointment of Garland led to years between actually investigating Trump's role in 6 January ("It'll be WILD!!!) and the attempts to overturn the election? How about telling how how it was "weaponization" to try to retrieve the classified document Trump stole, including HCS and RD (the former carrying actual identities of foreign clandestine assets and the latter not even a President can declassify, so Trump's "mind trick" of claiming he declassified with his mind is just silly nonsense) The Georgia State indictment is just that---a State---so not subject to anything Biden might say. The same is true of Trump's 34 felony convictions in NY, because that is State, out of the hands of the DoJ. Add to thgat E. Jean Carroll...that was a civil suit for sexual assault, resulting in a conviction. So where's the Biden "weaponization", other than in the brain addled heads of MAGAs? Now Trump ABSOLUTELY is weaponizing the DoJ, which is supposed to be independent of the President. Going after Comey, James, Brennan, Clapper and now Bill Clinton is clear "weaponization".

I wonder who goes into the box first? No way Trump is above ground in 2028.

Well, the crybaby was at it again. Yesterday, while meeting with the murderous psychopathic "Prince" MbS, Mary Bruce, a reporter for ABC, asked why Trump hasn't released the Epstein files, as he never needed Congressional approval to do so, nor does he need it now. With his usual childish and vindictive response of criticizing the reporter's skill, Trump also said that the broadcast license of ABC should be revoked. I guess he learned that trick from Putin or Trump's "lover" Kim Jong-un. As for "piggy", Trump is absolutely not 6'3" and 215 lbs. He's a bloated, obese slob who gives even pigs a bad name.

Realpolitik is for psychopaths. Perhaps Trump should welcome all the drug lords sending cocaine, heroin, fetanyl, etc. into the US, because those guys make $billions, and could use their ill gotten gains to help fund the ever-increasing US deficit...or even help fund the new White House Ballroom.

The timeline and statements regarding this are interesting, and often quite contradictory. It will be interesting to see how Trump's Admin spins this. During the campaign Trump claimed he would release the files. Once elected, he changed his tune and began calling it "The Dem Hoax". On one occasion, a presser took place where AG Bondi and others held up what were purported to be "the files", The binders were actually empty, but the White House or DoJ had printed covers that said "Epstein" Six or seven officials held up empty binders. After claiming she had the files and client list on her desk, AG Bondi said there was no client list. Bondi wrote a memo where she said since there was no client list, there was nothing further to investigate. Case closed. Trump told her to go after Clinton, so now she might have to tear up the memo she put in the DoJ record about "nothing further to investigate, case closed". Speaker Johnson said when the discharge petition was coming up, "The discharge petition is not only reckless, it's a totally moot point". Well, not this week, Mikey. As part of the approved “Epstein Files Transparency Act”, also released will be “Immunity deals, non-prosecution agreements, plea bargains, or sealed documents”, plus “internal DOJ communications, plus communications related to Epstein, his associaates, his detention and death, plus documentation of Epstein’s detention or death including medical examiner files, autopsy reports and the total interview with Ghislaine Maxwell and the paperwork and reasoning that resulted in her getting moved to a country club prison....everything. If anyone tries to hide any document or memo, they will be in contempt of Congress and subject to prosecution. We'll see.

Mr. Flip, let me introduce you to Mr. Flop. Doesn't anyone find it somewhat bizarre that the same Republicans, including Trump, who bent over backwards to prevent the release suddenly are part of a 427-1 vote? Heck, the Speaker spent 40+ days and nights refusing to swear in the new AZ Dem Rep, because she would have been the 218th and deciding vote on the discharge petition to bring the matter to a full House vote. Suddenly...suddenly...everybody decides "What, I was ALWAYS for a full release". LOL. A cynic might say "How long would it take Trump's Carnival People Administration to go through 23,000 emails and redact anything that might prove damning?" Now it goes to the Resolute Desk for Trump to sign. The only question remaining is will Trump stop "some files" from being released because he told Bondi to go after Bill Clinton, and thus it's "an ongoing investigation". (Special for MAGAs: this is why the files were not released during Biden's term, as Epstein was still being investigated, as was the sweetheart deal he got from Trump's future Transportation Secretary.) First, the issue will not die here. There is a reason why Trump et al delayed delayed delayed, and that may be revealed. Second, there are outsiders like Michael Wolfe who know stuff, and they will be vocal if what they know to exist (I'll add this for MAGAs..."claim to know what exists") is not part of the release. In dribs and drabs this issue will not end with the files release. Let all the chips fall where they may. If it takes Dems down, so be it. If it takes down high profile business leaders, so be it. It is exposes the clandestine operations of a foreign government, so be it.

This was reported many years ago, so it's in the public space. The intelligence assessment of who order Khashoggi's slaughter in not "highly likely", it's fact. There were SIGINT intercepts of conversations and messages. For those who never saw the images, Khashoggi was indeed slaughtered. His limbs were cut off. His penis was cut off. The skin on his face was peeled. All of his parts were arranged in a gruesome "still art", with most of his face intact and splayed out next to his torso. The killers took images and sent them back to MbS as a sick "proof of death". Trump was told about the intel and perhaps even shown the intercepted images of Khashoggi's body. Trump's reaction to the reporter's question says everything one needs to know about Trump's (lack of) morality.

A couple of things have happened in the last few hours.... Trump knew he would lose the vote. He probably also heard from Repubs that they feared re-election when their opponent would broadcast their "Don't release the pedo-files" vote. So Trump TACO'd. Now every Repub can vote to release, claim they were always in favor of release (aka "lie") and not live in feat of the dreaded Mean Tweet from Trump. Now let's start a conspiracy right here, right now: "Some" files will have disappeared, and others will be heavily redacted. There is likely someone somewhere who has a good idea of what's in the files, or will claim to know, and that will keep Epstein alive for a while longer. Trump will be apoplectic. What the Epstein saga does show, however, is that MAGA is splitting. In my previous post on failing white male MAGAs---which was extremely well received by the MAGA fans here (LOL)---I noted how the younger MAGAs are drifting, or tsunami-ing, toward Neo Naziism/fascism/authoritarianism. Even Trumpists like Megyn Kelly spent her last week justifying Epstein's actions in a way, saying, "Well, he's not really a pedophile; he just likes the 15 year old girls who look even younger. What the f-word is that? I guess it's part of the farthest right MAGA ideology where "rape is epic" and "I'm ready to watch people burn." 15 is a child, Megyn. Some of the older Repubs, who have supported Trump even though they don't like him, are beginning to realize MAGA dies with Trump, and (ideally) the old conservative movement will return and be a check against the left's fringe elements. Both left and right moving toward the middle is good for peace and prosperity. Though I find it surprising, MTG might have seen the writing on the wall and wants to create a post-MAGA brand of her own. BTW, Trump sure tosses around the term "traitor" as if he knows what it means. I guess someone who tried to overthrow democracy (per the Smith investigation) knows how the term traitor is often used (though neither MTG nor Trump would qualify legally as traitor, as legally it means aid and comfort to a declared enemy.)

I'm going to put my foot down over this fight for the "sole" of America! By the way, a little sympathy and humility goes a long way in life. Nobody is advocating for totally open borders, but the US used to welcome more people, even allowing a few to slip in, as the jobs they took and the energy migrants brought benefited our economy. The old special visa program---which Trump stopped---used to allow 50,000 people a year to "win the lottery" and be invited into the US. That was an admission that nobody can truly judge what a migrant might add to the US, given time and opportunity. Let's be frank. Where one materializes on this planet is dumb luck. We all benefit from that dumb luck if born in the US, as it's pretty easy to become successful. People who fail to achieve greatness in the US are just incredibly lucky they weren't whelped as a female in rural Bangladesh, or in a gang-infested, corrupt, or autocratic regime somewhere else. Some of us understand that our success in life and our wealth owes much more to where we were born and to whom, than any great skill or deserving behavior on our part. Much of life is determined at birth, from where one was born to the intellect, appearance, physical characteristics like height, athletic ability, etc., we inherited. Being honest about that tends to make a person more empathetic. People who could only reach a low level in the US, such as being a truck driver, ought to have the self-awareness to know they are only where they are because of an accident of birth, not through any special skill or goodness they have. Had they been born somewhere else, odds are long they would have anywhere near the same comfort that their birth accident handed them. Of course it tends to be those people---most of whom are MAGAs---who are most vocal about "those illegals" and who cheer the masked stormtroopers roughing up female garment workers.

Perhaps you can help me here, Sir... Do you know how many undocumented Russians have been picked up by ICE, especially Russians in the Russian Mafia? I understand it's much easier to grab 73-year old South Asian grandmas than go after some rough and tumble, tatted up psychos in the Bratva, but if ICE sent a few of their stormtroopers to Brighton Beach, NY or into Trump Tower where some own condos, they could round up lots of guys who are more of a threat than some 26-year old Guatemalan garment workers in an LA factory or even more of a danger than MS-13 gang members. I guess because the guys in the Bratva might take exception to ICE's tactics and maybe even take revenge on stormtroopers or their families, they don't really need proper documents. Those star tatts under their knees are all the documentation ICE stormtroopers need.

I'm also sensing a little Rube Goldberg here..... Let me see if I get this right. Trump imposes tariffs, which the US importer pays into the Treasury. The importer then jacks up the price for the end user to recapture the tariff cost. Trump then takes $2000 from the tariff take and gives it back to the end user consumers, who had to pay more for what they bought because of the tariffs. Wouldn't it be more efficient just to not impose the tariffs in the first place, and let customers pay the old price before the tariff loop of importer-to-Treasury-to-Trump's checks-to-consumer?

I bet you're an absolute sculpted stud muffin, right? Women get weak in the knees just when you're near? Go look in the bathroom mirror and report. (I'd take the other side of that bet.) It seems kind of unfair, and dare I say hypocritical, that a male who offers women absolutely nothing in the looks and personality department should demand a real babe for his physical and romantic pleasures. Hit the gym, drop the spoon, toss the cargo shorts and wife beaters, bathe regularly, and most important develop a personality, and you might be surprised women will spend time with you even if you don't pay them.

Since you're an expert on things MAGA, and possibly even have a degree from Trump U, perhaps you can explain why imposing tariffs does not raise prices for the US Consumer, as your messiah has told us ad nauseum, but CUTTING tariffs on beef, bananas and coffee LOWERS consumer prices. Is that kind of like the previous messiah and his loaves of bread and fish miracle?

Last time I checked Republicans are the majority in the House and Senate. In any event, what does the Republican shutdown have to do with the Argentina $billions, the 600,000 H-1B visas because "The US lacks the talent", and bulldozing the East Wing that "wasn't going to be touched" (Fortunately Melania got out in time.)? Your comment brings to mind the term non sequitur.

Here's a great example of Trumpenomics, and I think somebody should alert Stockholm when the time comes for the next Nobel in Economics... Trump spent ten months telling everyone that "Foreigners" pay the tariffs and it won't raise prices at the consumer level. Yesterday Trump announced tariff reductions on things like coffee and bananas, "in order to bring prices down". So imposing tariffs doesn't raise prices, but cutting tariffs lowers prices. Can we get a round of applause out of MAGAstan?

Perhaps you, the guy who has posted probably 100,000 times under a long list of names, can tell me where to "find it". LOL.

Look how many posts you have in just this thread. Now ask yourself who is crazy and obsessed. Take William Shatner's advice, susan...Get a life!

Scott Galloway's book "Notes on Being a Man" is not only now a best seller on the NYT Book List, it is far more critical of young white males than my post. He has collected all the data, and though he is sympathetic, he kind of lights a fire under the butts of these guys. He noted that 63% of US males under age 30 have never had a relationship with a female. One in three men under age 25 live with their parents, and one in five below age 30. Males are 3 times more likely to die from addiction, 4 out of five youthful suicides are males, and males are 12 times more likely to be incarcerated. These guys are choosing porn, and violent porn, over actually trying to build a relationship with a female. Galloway tells young men in his book to get out of Mom's basement, take a shower, get in shape, and go try to make something of your life.