JonnyF

Where is the flaw in my logic? Don't deflect this time. Show me the flaw.

It wasn't the reason for them going. It was a consequence of them going. A dire consequence. There's a lot about me that might surprise you. Given your dismissive attitude to the women of Afghanistan I'm more of a feminist than you could ever claim to be.

It's not confusing. They shouldn't have been there. However, having made the poor decision to go, they should at least have made sure there was something in place to replace what they destroyed before leaving.

Whataboutism at it's finest. Is that all you've got?

So there wasn't a power vacuum left behind that led to women's rights being obliterated? https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/03/afghanistan-un-experts-say-20-years-progress-women-and-girls-rights-erased As a feminist I thought you'd care about that. Obviously not.

Whatever Trump did or didn't do, Biden was in charge when they withdrew. He needs to own the chaotic way it was handled. Ultimately though, whether you like Trump or Biden (I like neither) it is the USA that is responsible for another overseas disaster that they should never have been involved in in the first place. Same as Vietnam. Same as Iraq.

No. They should have managed the withdrawal in a safe and orderly fashion and ensured that there was security in place to handle the massive power vacuum left behind after removing Al Qaeda. If they weren't prepared to do that, they should never have gone in.

Only when they are filmed screaming Alahhu Akbar during the shooting.

There you go again. Sad. No F's given for what was left behind as long as you can blame Trump. Played like a fiddle.

I was talking about the mess/power vacuum left behind after the war mongering in Afghanistan. But you already knew that. However, funding conflict and providing weapons for others to do the killing while you beat your chest and fly your flag about US strength is hardly endearing behaviour. Preferable to sending your own youth to do the killing as they did in Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan I suppose.

Let's hope it's a fatal gunshot, otherwise the loons at the ECHR will be demanding he's treated in a private hospital with full access to a mosque and HALAL meat.

It's sad that all you care about is trying to shift the blame away from Biden. I guess you're too wrapped up in US tribal politics to give a damn about the mess that the US war mongering leaves behind. Sadly, many Americans think like this. They don't care about women losing their human rights in Afghanistan, as long as they can blame the other side. It's pretty pathetic to be honest.

Clearly not been adhering to "Don't get high on your own supply".

Every cloud... I do wonder how they arrived at these statistics though. Does the TAT check with individuals every time they cancel a booking?

Not very typical of the EU to miss an opportunity to regulate. They normally love banning things. It justifies their existence. On this occasion it appears they were quick to talk the talk but not so keen to walk the walk.

I am well aware of the timeline. You are attempting to play the Trump vs. Biden card in order to deflect. You blame Trump. I blame Biden. This is bigger than two people disagreeing on a forum. Ultimately America has to take responsibility for it's actions as a nation. It doesn't help the Afghan women whose human rights have been destroyed for leftists like you to say "But but but it was all Trump's fault". Their lives have been destroyed and America as a nation has to take some responsibility for that no matter which side of the divide you are on. Your attempts to deflect from the impact of the withdrawal by blaming Trump for it all (even though Biden oversaw it) is disgraceful, even if it were true.

And left a massive void which has led the Taliban taking over and huge human rights abuses, especially for women. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/15/asia/afghanistan-taliban-takeover-anniversary-women-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

More likely China is licking it's lips, thinking this is the perfect time to strike. You vastly over-estimate the regard with which America is held around the world. Everyone knows they are only ever in it for the short term. History tells us that. It's 2023 not 1963. America doesn't call the shots like you think they do. China has no fear of America, especially since they are now stupidly pre-occupied with Ukraine and Israel. No amount of nationalistic chest beating by Biden changes that.

It's another excellent example of America failing to fulfill it's self appointed role as World Policemen. Others are available if you don't like that one. We've all seen that America's interference in foreign countries rarely ends well. I'm sure he will want his pound of flesh from Ukraine when all is said and done.

Agreed. But IMO he'll pull out of both before the job is complete. Just like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Something will come up to divert his attention, likely China invading Taiwan.

They should focus on making sure boxing is still there in 2028, instead of including these silly sports that are better suited to a Sunday afternoon in the local pub garden.

All it does is provide you with the opportunity to deflect. To conjure a lame excuse as to why Biden completely messed up the withdrawal. Biden can damage the US as much as he likes, but he needs to stop putting his nose into other people's business. He's not capable. He's not cognizant. He's resorting to immature chest pounding and flag waving with other people's money and other people's lives.. Pathetic.

I'm not discussing the timeline. That's another silly deflection. I'm saying Biden made a complete mess of the process. He couldn't organize a prayer in a mosque. Now we wants to join in pretty much every conflict around the world. He needs to sit down somewhere...

Talking of failure, I wonder how long before Biden will be distracted by some other vanity project and pull out prematurely, just as he did with Afghanistan. What a utter mess he made of that... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58238497 He really should focus on his many domestic issues and stop trying to be the world's policeman. He's not up to the job.

They love spending other people's money on their vanity projects.