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So that's what 840 billion baht buys you in Thailand, an 18 million ton rice mountain that is 15% unusual rice and 10% of registered rice missing. So that's 1,628,750 per ton

They paid the farmers, "The payments will total Bht 195.45 billion for 11.8 million tonnes of rice" That is So that's 16,287 per ton for a total of 294,000,000,000 Bht

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"Ex-premier Yingluck Shinawatra and her son have flown out on a THAI flight to Paris shortly after midnight Wednesday but promised to return on schedule........Accompanying her on the flight included her niece and her son’s two close friends."

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http://youtu.be/gMFCYQn8qL8

"Ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra’s youngest daughter Paetongtarn was also on the same flight but was not seen at the airport. She reportedly checked in after most media representatives have left.  Thaksin’s divorced wife Khunying Pojamarn Damapong has flown out earlier to Paris."

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But Tahksin is disappointed with Paetongtarn because she only managed 8 suitcases.

Other Shinawatra family members who included Yingluck’s elder sister Mrs Yaowapha Wongsawat and her husband Somchai Wongsawat, Thaksin Shinawatra’s younger brother Payab and  former foreign minister Surapongare scheduled to leave for Paris on another flight Thursday night.....http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/yingluck-away/

Sounds like a deal has been done, sounds like he has sold out his "redshirts" again.

I guess its important to hear these witnesses now before charges are laid and they stampede to the airport

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Wouldn't it be wonderful if business, including the industry of religion, was barred from all involvement in politics including influencing policy. Not only in Thailand but all around the world. There would be a more empathetic people centred type of person running for office, and a policy of improving the quality of life for all citizens equably. "Imagine all the people Living life in peace..." Writer(s): John Winston Lennon

He could always come home to Thailand to celebrate his birthday........

"Bangkok: Thailand's powerful army has challenged fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra to return and fight the legal charges against him......"We would like to see him come back and fight the legal charges against him. If he is confident he can win, then he will be able to return to politics," said Gen Chatchalerm Chalermsukh."

Sounds like a plan

You are focusing on quantitative proof. In my humble opinion they will find that, but you might also want to go back to media reports, pre- coup, where non-quantitative charges were being discussed.

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A qualitative charge that the rice deteriorated ? Hmmmm. Hello? Its 40c and 90% humidity. I don't think that stands up in a court of law.

Really, don't think so?

So if I charge you for X amount of money to keep your commodity in good conditions you'd be just fine with me pocketing the money and letting it rot instead?

How charitable of you.

That's diametrically the other way round. If you rent my warehouse knowing it isn't moisture tight I won't provide you any guarantee that it won't go mouldy.

So your converse argument is that Yingluck acted in accordance with her moral code and mandated role as chairperson of the rice scam committee, when she knowingly sub contracted the storing of tax payers rice in totally inadequate warehouses where she knew the rice would become quickly spoilt. Then you expect us to accept that this scenario is an effective defence against malfeasant and corruption charges against her?

That argument would confuse even her!

???

"Rice stocks check to end this month"

While the initial check may perhaps be completed, by the end of July, I sincerely hope that proper checks & controls and audits will continue going forwards !

It was surely Yingluck's national rice commission's failure , to carry out proper checks & audits, which had led her to repeatedly make the now-shown-to-be eroneous claim, that none of the rice was missing ?

From Thairath July 12, 2013

Title: Thai rice will become really rotten because of those blabbermouths

PM Yingluck is carrying rice bag printed ‘love farmer.’

On the man with glasses: Media

On his saliva: Spreading the news

On the hooded man’s robes: Order to kill people, 100 deaths

On his saliva: Thai rice

On the back of the man on the left: Destroy the Thai rice market to overthrow the government

On his saliva: [rice] contains toxic chemicals

A man on the right: Slander

Phi Nooring: Real destroyers of the country

Mouse: Destroy Thai rice and destroy the country.

I am buying top quality Thai Hom Mali 2014 crop for 71 baht a kilo here in Aus.

I doubt if they could sell this plain white rice from

Thaksin's original rice shceme 2004

2011, 2012

and 2013

mixed with smuggled rice.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/10618134/Burmese-smugglers-get-rich-on-Yingluck-Shinawatras-13-billion-Thai-rice-subsidies.html

for more than animal feed.

Another interesting fact is that on the 2014-02-22, Foreign Trade chief Surasak Riangkrul claimed, "Thailand has a glut of 18 to 20 million tonnes in state stockpiles bought via the pledging scheme'. However, this article states, He said military and police teams will visit about 1,800 warehouses nationwide to inspect registered stocks of 10 million tons.

Well we now know who the infamous "THIRD HAND" that Chalerm liked to claim would cause conflict are!

He did get quite good at predicting what would happen.

As we haven't seen or heard from him for a while he could just be explaining to the relevant authorities how he was able to make his predictions, as in helping with the inquiries.

If that is the case it could explain why he needs to be in protective custody for there could be those who would resent any new predictions he may make.

We may find out who those fake police dressed in black were on the labour ministry rooftop shooting at protesters and police were....

"Today the National Police Bureau, for the first time, admitted to the presence of police officers shooting down from the rooftop of the Labor Ministry building at Din Daeng on 26 Dec. 2013.....Police said the so-called “men in black” seen on a building rooftop were actually policemen and they did not fire live ammunition at anti-government protesters who tried to break into the Thai-Japanese stadium last month."

Apart from the usual responses from those determined to see a Shinawatra punished, having been frustrated for 8 years now, can anyone of a less corrosive attitude explain how the request for additional witnesses would have a "potential impact on the political conflict".

One would have thought that as all political activities have been banned there is no political conflict to be impacted. If anything, this kind of action will only store up resentment which will surface at a later date.

In other words give her every witness she requires--delay as much as possible--deny as much as you can--if not later repercussions ??? it's all politically motivated--in Yinglucks words Quote " I never did any wrong" or very similar.

Pathetic post to try to play down her role in the scam. No one wants to see anyone punished, but if they are guilty Shins or not let the courts decide.

If the lady has done no wrong, then there is no problem.

Why is it a pathetic post - because it doesn't fit in with your mindset?

You didn't answer the question - why will the request for more witnesses have a potential impact on the political conflict when there is no political conflict? You can't answer that (as there is no sensible answer) so you resort to attacking the post.

To be perfectly honest your reply did not suprise me in the least. Same old, same old.

Its a pathetic post because, like usual its contains your usual fabrications.

Firstly a Shinawatra has been punished, but he ran away to escape his sentence and avoid being further judged.

No neither you or any of us can determine, "how the request for additional witnesses would have a "potential impact on the political conflict", because we don't have access to all the available information. However, those that do have made this informed decision in accordance with the Thai judicial system.

Lastly you are guilty of your own criticism, (You can't answer that (as there is no sensible answer) so you resort to attacking the post) by attacking not only the original posts but also the posters, but being hypocritical that's nothing new for you.

Can anyone tell.me Where the match be viewed?

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Not sure how do you mean "different".

The coup leaders already said they won't disband parties, and that eventually there will be elections held.

Just saying things could be different a couple of years from now.

Agree that they learned from past mistakes as far as handling things, and that from a PR/social psychology point of view -

someone is doing superb work, really. Not saying this to downplay what they are doing, quite the opposite - rather impressed

with how prepared they were on many levels.

I hope that at least some of the initiatives they promote will stick for the long term future.

What like free haircuts and free tickets to Naresuan 5? That stuff might delight people who already support the coup but it might well come across as patronising to those who don't. Social media response to the latter iniative seems pretty mixed. But there's nothing like a good piece of chest thumping nationalism to get people to forget about their petty internal squabbles and to remember that the real enemy is... the Burmese. lol.

As for Nick, those who accuse him of being a propagandist sound far more like propagandists than he does, especially as they've never adduced any evidence to show that he's been deliberately lying or twisting the truth in his reports for political purposes (i.e. propaganda). But the people that say this stuff are the same people that think that the BBC and The Economist have been bought off by The Economist. It's just conspiracist claptrap.

You don't have to lie to spread propaganda!

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No, I suppose you could just present a very selective version of the truth. But Nick's reports focus on what was happening on the street, not on promoting Thaksin. He's admittedly sympathetic to the reds, and wants to help get their side of the story across. But that's not necessarily "propaganda" either. Journalists often look to give people they think are being ignored a voice. For you to substantiate a claim that his work is propaganda, I think you'd either have to show specifically that he's deliberately omitted truths which you know he was aware of, or that he's lied. Anyway, the people that consistently label him a propagandist tend to believe the red shirts are no more than thugs and goons, who have no ideas of their own other than those put their by Thaksin. So when someone spends a long time on the streets with those people and challenges this simplistic perception, naturally their first instinct is to label him a propagandist, and that's because these people are unable to cope with complexity and nuance and things like that.

I should say that I wouldn't label Yon a propagandist if all he did was what Nick does. Spending time with the PDRC, taking pictures, getting their side of events and presenting that in a sober way. No problem at all with that and it could be a very useful thing. I was hopeful he would do that but at the one clash he witnessed (Thai-Japanese stadium) he tried to report on what he'd seen - which suggested the NPRST weren't all that peaceful and that the police response was more or less proportionate - his fans tore into him and accused him of being bought off. So he decided that it was pointless trying to make any sort of effort in documenting the truth. Clearly his followers were unwilling to put up with anything that wasn't plain and simple propaganda. So instead of going out on the streets to bear witness to clashes, he just decided to spend his time insulting the red shirts and posting endless one-sided pro-PDRC "commentary" (usually just recycled memes that PDRC supporters already came up with). That's propaganda.

People like Yon, Amsterdam and a few others are simply propagandists who are best off ignored. People like Nick, Crispin, Ron Morris from 2bangkok.com - they have their sympathies but they're all still very much worth reading and taking seriously as sources of useful information. You just need to be aware that what they're portraying might not be the whole picture.

Herr Nick problem is that he's partisan rather than Impartial. That make all his reports biased, he may not tell lies but he does report only from one perspective. This also makes him a target for the frustrated side who is not getting a fair shake. One example would be the investigation into the temple shootings, his comments on this forum had the troops hung, drawn and quartered before the investigation was in full swing, absolutely rejecting any other possible scenario.