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Vote buying is more than giving voters money for their vote as Thanks in and his synchopants did, it's also promising to make everyone rich in six months, promising to pay above market for rice, give all car buyers 1 hundreds of thousand baths in rebates, ect ect

As Thanks in and his synchopants did. But back on topic most if not all of Thaksins and Ying lucks royal decoration were recommended by their own government with the royal decree being a formality. However, I would concede that there removal would require a similar decree.

We all might be surprised at what the rank etitkes the indivdual, upon retirement, too. We recently heard about a lack of security screening at the airport and another case of a man physically abusing a aiport employee due to expected respect not being shown,

What privalige do they get from Thai Airlines? they and family seem to get plenty while active. The same with social orginazations, appointments as consultants, directors etc. I doubt he will be invited to policemans ball.

Take everything possssible from the man as he did to the country give no quarter and set a precident for other to see what their illegal actions can lead to.

Thanks in isn't worried about the meager police rank, it's the royal decoration he is manipulating for. For what is an elete without an order of the white elephant

Thanks in isn't worried about the meager police rank, it's the royal decoration he is manipulating for. For what is an element without an order of the white elephant

Unbelievably bad service on Thai, yesterday they had 20 staff at first class check in servicing no passengers and 10 counter staffed in economy servicing over 1000 customers. The cue went out of the airport door. I asked the manager why he couldn't move some staff to ease the backlog, he just smiled at me and said, "but that is first class".

Just a quick question, if Sean had David in a headlock would their wounds match up?

May you have many more outside Thailand and alone

They shouldn't have conducted the coup they should have let the PTP get ripped apart by the destitute rice farmer after three rank and file redshirt deserted them and Thanks in threatened Ying luck with a prison term if she resigned like she wanted to.

All this creative arythmatic wont cover the massive decline in tourism that will follow the present economic down turn now affecting China, Russia and europe

"On Thursday, Steve Mitchell, a bar owner who was the last person to photograph the deceased appeared at court. He told reporters outside that he photographs tourists to promote the bar on the website."

Only in Thailand does a crime scene become a walk through tourist attraction.

Just out of curiosity: what did Thaksin do about it?

Drug War. Probably one of the most important and effective anti corruption actions taken in Thailand. At the time several provinces and large parts of the border region had all but been taken over by the drug cartel(s), The cartel's influence reached into the police, the judiciary, political leaders, and the military. The influx of cheap drugs was ripping the social fabric of Thailand apart and every month,thousands were becoming addicted. This cleanup has been much discussed in TVF and Thaksin blamed for many of the drug cartel and police related deaths.

Corrupt officials were removed and human trafficking stopped during the cleanup.. The Thaksin initiated war on corruption was a civil government initiated operation undertaken by the military and the police working together.

So your saying the Thaksin initiated and led mass murder campaign disguised as a anti drug campaign was a stunning success and a credit to this madman?

All it achieved was the deaths of 2500 or more people, most not involved in the drug trade and increasing the price of drugs...

"The exact numbers of dead have sometimes been debated, with international organizations, like Amnesty International, estimating as high as 2800, while the Royal Thai Police only admit 72 killings. Subsequent governments actually talked up the numbers of dead and promised future death tolls of 3000-4000."

"Thaksin began a new round in his campaign against drugs in February and ordered police “to produce results at any cost.” The goal was to “eradicate all drugs in Thailand.” This three-month campaign resulted in 2,275 deaths."

"According to the Narcotics Control Board, the policy was effective in reducing drug consumption, especially in schools, by increasing the market price......The war on drugs was widely criticized by the international community. Thaksin requested that the UN Commission on Human Rights send a special envoy to evaluate the situation, but said in an interview, "The United Nations is not my father. I am not worried about any UN visit to Thailand on this issue."

"I still consider the human rights abuses carried out during the War on Drugs to be the worst committed during the tenure of an elected government since Thailand liberalised in the 1980s"

Only a very sick individual would consider this one of the most important and effective anti corruption actions taken in Thailand

I don't think he was arguing there was any credit to Thaksin for this deplorable exercise.He was simply pointing out the drugs war had very strong backing from the military and the police, and for that matter most Thais of all backgrounds including many at the highest level.It is futile to pretend this was not the case, and it reflects the appalling damage and pain that the drugs trade causes.

The trouble is that these factors tend to be ignored by Thaksin haters who only have one objective in mind, namely to attribute all Thailand's ills to one man.

The response to my points is usually to suggest that the immorality of the drugs war is the issue, not whether it was popular or not.I entirely agree.It was a grave stain on the record of those who participated in or connived at it.The fact however that Thaksin has never been charged has a significance which only the most unsophisticated could fail to understand.

But the reality is that many of those who pontificate endlessly about Thaksin and the drugs war are not the slightest bit interested in morality or human rights.It is just part of general hysteria about Thaksin.

What the??? You dont think he was arguing there was any credit to Thaksin for this deplorable exercise.!!!! The man stated, "Drug War. Probably one of the most important and effective anti corruption actions taken in Thailand." I concede that it had the support of some very senior Thais, but so did the coup and the present military government and that doesn't make it moral. Drugs didn't kill these 2800 people, Thaksin's policy did. This plus many other crimes against humanity, many corrupt scams that raped the Thai treasury are ample reasons to dislike Thaksin.

​The fact he hasn't been charged as yet is just an indication of how immoral Thai politics can be and the constant attempts by TVF members to justify , dismiss or honour Thaksin for his action is a reflection of their lack of humanity

Your response albeit unwittingly simply confirms my points.The support for the drugs war was pretty much universal.Your preoccupation Is entirely with Thaksin and you have no interest in the scourge of drugs on Thai society.The drugs war was ill conceived and chaotically implemented - on that we can agree.But the fact Thaksin was never charged (when the old order was desperate to pin a weighty crime on him) needs a more sophisticated explanation than the one you supply.

Incidentally it is an absurd falsehood to suggest most of the victims of the drugs war had nothing to do with trafficking.

Universal!!!! Maybe for the people from Uranus, but I cant remember the Martians supporting it, the UN, and its members certainly didn't and somehow I don't think the 2800 victims agreed as well. Thaksin certainly did and I guess that's universal enough for you.

What the??? You dont think he was arguing there was any credit to Thaksin for this deplorable exercise.!!!! The man stated, "Drug War. Probably one of the most important and effective anti corruption actions taken in Thailand." I concede that it had the support of some very senior Thais, but so did the coup and the present military government and that doesn't make it moral. Drugs didn't kill these 2800 people, Thaksin's policy did. This plus many other crimes against humanity, many corrupt scams that raped the Thai treasury are ample reasons to dislike Thaksin.

​The fact he hasn't been charged as yet is just an indication of how immoral Thai politics can be and the constant attempts by TVF members to justify , dismiss or honour Thaksin for his action is a reflection of their lack of humanity

I think I know what my intent was. Whether you want to believe it or not, Thailand was under the control of some heavy duty potent drug cartels. Those drug lords had judges, police, politicians, prosecutors, military commanders, bankers and others on their payroll. The war on the drug cartels was a bonafide fight for the survival of Thailand. I am not defending any abuses that may have occurred. In any war, there is the loss of innocent people. The fact of the matter is that the drug war took a bite out of the corruption the drug money was financing and it occurred during the Thaksin era. Just as you wish to blame Thaksin for the errors the army and police made during the operation, he must be acknowledged for supporting the operation which broke the back of the cartels. Unfortunately, it didn't last long.

You and the others who exaggerate the damages are awfully quiet when it comes to the current drug trafficking. Who controls the borders of Thailand? How is it that tons of yaba can make its way across the Burmese border? The army is quite good at rounding up unarmed university students, yet it cannot stop the large amounts of drugs crossing the border. Why's that? How did the Rohingya trafficking, and the trade in sex slaves from Cambodia go on for so many years? It wasn't Yingluck or Thaksin transporting these people on someone's trucks. I can't recall you ever saying a word on this matter. Come to think of it, have you ever lamented the 6000+ people who have lost their lives due to the southern insurgency? The military has run the show in the south since day one so you can't blame this on Thaksin or Abhisit or Yingluck or anyone not in the army.

The groups controlling the drug cartels back then are still running the drug cartels now. What Thaksin did was give a licence to kill to the ISOC, RTA and RTP and set kill quotas. This resulted in the mass murder of Thais for paid assassination, revenge, power struggles even to make quota, most had nothing to do with drugs.

"Thailand's War on Drugs "victory" was temporary. PM Thaksin's campaign has decimated the drug market at the local drug trafficker and street-user level, but it has not reduced cross-border trafficking or attacked the drug trade's higher elements. Additionally, his battle against "Dark Influences" has been ineffective, with few arrests of note......According to some sources this resulted in around 800 million yaba tablets being stored along the Thai/Burma border waiting for the anti-drug pressure to subside. PM Thaksin has also begun a second war, this one a war on dark influences, aimed at eliminating the high level drug traffickers and the government personnel protecting or backing them. This war has had very few published successes as the financial and political backing of these influential people is deeply intertwined with Thaksin's own government."

Your intents is always the same, to glorify Thaksin and spin his machinations.

Just out of curiosity: what did Thaksin do about it?

Drug War. Probably one of the most important and effective anti corruption actions taken in Thailand. At the time several provinces and large parts of the border region had all but been taken over by the drug cartel(s), The cartel's influence reached into the police, the judiciary, political leaders, and the military. The influx of cheap drugs was ripping the social fabric of Thailand apart and every month,thousands were becoming addicted. This cleanup has been much discussed in TVF and Thaksin blamed for many of the drug cartel and police related deaths.

Corrupt officials were removed and human trafficking stopped during the cleanup.. The Thaksin initiated war on corruption was a civil government initiated operation undertaken by the military and the police working together.

So your saying the Thaksin initiated and led mass murder campaign disguised as a anti drug campaign was a stunning success and a credit to this madman?

All it achieved was the deaths of 2500 or more people, most not involved in the drug trade and increasing the price of drugs...

"The exact numbers of dead have sometimes been debated, with international organizations, like Amnesty International, estimating as high as 2800, while the Royal Thai Police only admit 72 killings. Subsequent governments actually talked up the numbers of dead and promised future death tolls of 3000-4000."

"Thaksin began a new round in his campaign against drugs in February and ordered police “to produce results at any cost.” The goal was to “eradicate all drugs in Thailand.” This three-month campaign resulted in 2,275 deaths."

"According to the Narcotics Control Board, the policy was effective in reducing drug consumption, especially in schools, by increasing the market price......The war on drugs was widely criticized by the international community. Thaksin requested that the UN Commission on Human Rights send a special envoy to evaluate the situation, but said in an interview, "The United Nations is not my father. I am not worried about any UN visit to Thailand on this issue."

"I still consider the human rights abuses carried out during the War on Drugs to be the worst committed during the tenure of an elected government since Thailand liberalised in the 1980s"

Only a very sick individual would consider this one of the most important and effective anti corruption actions taken in Thailand

I don't think he was arguing there was any credit to Thaksin for this deplorable exercise.He was simply pointing out the drugs war had very strong backing from the military and the police, and for that matter most Thais of all backgrounds including many at the highest level.It is futile to pretend this was not the case, and it reflects the appalling damage and pain that the drugs trade causes.

The trouble is that these factors tend to be ignored by Thaksin haters who only have one objective in mind, namely to attribute all Thailand's ills to one man.

The response to my points is usually to suggest that the immorality of the drugs war is the issue, not whether it was popular or not.I entirely agree.It was a grave stain on the record of those who participated in or connived at it.The fact however that Thaksin has never been charged has a significance which only the most unsophisticated could fail to understand.

But the reality is that many of those who pontificate endlessly about Thaksin and the drugs war are not the slightest bit interested in morality or human rights.It is just part of general hysteria about Thaksin.

What the??? You dont think he was arguing there was any credit to Thaksin for this deplorable exercise.!!!! The man stated, "Drug War. Probably one of the most important and effective anti corruption actions taken in Thailand." I concede that it had the support of some very senior Thais, but so did the coup and the present military government and that doesn't make it moral. Drugs didn't kill these 2800 people, Thaksin's policy did. This plus many other crimes against humanity, many corrupt scams that raped the Thai treasury are ample reasons to dislike Thaksin.

​The fact he hasn't been charged as yet is just an indication of how immoral Thai politics can be and the constant attempts by TVF members to justify , dismiss or honour Thaksin for his action is a reflection of their lack of humanity

Didn't I read somewhere that the "good general" was going to eliminate corruption?

There must be some way we can blame this on Thaksin.

Just out of curiosity: what did Thaksin do about it?

Drug War. Probably one of the most important and effective anti corruption actions taken in Thailand. At the time several provinces and large parts of the border region had all but been taken over by the drug cartel(s), The cartel's influence reached into the police, the judiciary, political leaders, and the military. The influx of cheap drugs was ripping the social fabric of Thailand apart and every month,thousands were becoming addicted. This cleanup has been much discussed in TVF and Thaksin blamed for many of the drug cartel and police related deaths.

Corrupt officials were removed and human trafficking stopped during the cleanup.. The Thaksin initiated war on corruption was a civil government initiated operation undertaken by the military and the police working together.

So your saying the Thaksin initiated and led mass murder campaign disguised as a anti drug campaign was a stunning success and a credit to this madman?

All it achieved was the deaths of 2500 or more people, most not involved in the drug trade and increasing the price of drugs...

"The exact numbers of dead have sometimes been debated, with international organizations, like Amnesty International, estimating as high as 2800, while the Royal Thai Police only admit 72 killings. Subsequent governments actually talked up the numbers of dead and promised future death tolls of 3000-4000."

"Thaksin began a new round in his campaign against drugs in February and ordered police “to produce results at any cost.” The goal was to “eradicate all drugs in Thailand.” This three-month campaign resulted in 2,275 deaths."

"According to the Narcotics Control Board, the policy was effective in reducing drug consumption, especially in schools, by increasing the market price......The war on drugs was widely criticized by the international community. Thaksin requested that the UN Commission on Human Rights send a special envoy to evaluate the situation, but said in an interview, "The United Nations is not my father. I am not worried about any UN visit to Thailand on this issue."

"I still consider the human rights abuses carried out during the War on Drugs to be the worst committed during the tenure of an elected government since Thailand liberalised in the 1980s"

Only a very sick individual would consider this one of the most important and effective anti corruption actions taken in Thailand

While the money is moving China's going to fly.

However, if markets shrink and people stop spending in the face of austerity, who is China selling their manufactured goods to?

China has alot of debt, built on the back of promised growth of exports.

No tickey, no washee

I'm sorry to say that this is a popular misconception.

The Chinese to not manufacture and then sell. They only manufacture on order. The few items that are available online are only surplus supplies of previous orders. They do not and never will outlay a cent of their own.

Thailand on the other hand has prostituted themselves to the Chinese and everyone else with a dollar in their hand.

Bend over baby the Chinese are in town.

It used to be Yankee's doodle but now it is dim sim.

The misconception is yours,

I never mentioned orders or anything like that. I didn't suggest they have manufactured goods lying around unsold.

The fact is China has spent and invested a lot to be in a position to manufacture for the world. But without orders they won't be able to repay the considerable debt they owe.

There is a knock on effect too. Especially for countries like Thailand who rely on the supply of raw materials to China for their main income sources.

Not only is China's public and household debt low, it is the 3rd largest holder of US debt and its foreign exchange holdings now stand at $3.8 trillion, they aren't going to fold any time soon

"But overall, China’s federal level debt remains low,bank’s remain strong despite higher non-performing loans on the balance sheet, and yet we still get a total debt to GDP ratio of a whopping 282%..... McKinsey says local debt is the biggest problem. Central government debt is still low, at around 64% of GDP (and) Household debt in China is very low. Like most Asian societies, Chinese love to save and invest.......The U.S. total debt to GDP, which includes household and corporate debt, is 331.7%. "

"To put China's ownership of U.S. debt in perspective, its holding of $1.2 trillion is even larger than the amount owned by American households."

"China's influence over Thailand and ASEAN to keep growing".

Thailand gets the carrot, high speed trains to Beijing, Chinese tourist, trade agreements and financing from the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. While Vietnam and the Philippines get the stick, Chinese sand castles..

"In his most direct public criticism of Chinese construction on the contested Spratly Islands archipelago of the South China Sea, U.S. Pacific fleet Commander Admiral Harry Harris Jr. accused Beijing of building a “great wall of sand” over areas claimed by several nations."

Pol Gen Somyot Pumpunmuang has brushed aside all the opinion polls which show most people are against legalizing casinos, saying the polls represent the minority of the people........He suggested all the pollsters to ask the opinions of the farmers about how they think about legalizing casinos if some of the revenues earned would be used to help them.

Thaksin thinks Somyot acts

The participants' names will be randomly picked and they will be given souvenirs like the book "Think Like Yingluck".

Apparently its a book with all the pages blank except the last page that says, "Thank you three times".

Looks like they stole her 9mm hand gun too.

Thailand will survive by becoming a de facto Chinese state like Myanmar, relying on Chinese investment, Chinese tourist and Chinese products.

Seems like all the Thaksin lackey are getting in line to fulfil Thaksin's long held dream of owning his first legal casino in Thailand...

"Past governments, including the Thaksin Shinawatra administration, had floated the prospect of granting concessions to investors to develop such entertainment and gaming complexes in Thailand..."

"Mr Chuvit said the casino's owner has ties to the relatives of "the man who now lives in Dubai", a likely reference to former premier Thaksin Shinawatra. He said he would like Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra - Thaksin's sister - to ask her relatives whether they know about the gambling den."

"He also accused Maj Anan, who is a former Pheu Thai MP, of seeking to bring about ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra's dream of opening a legal casino in the country."

"...at least 2.5 trillion baht is gambled illegally by Thais each year. This huge sum has caught the eye of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. He wants to open legal casinos ... In November 2002, the PM met with the chairman of MGM Mirage, the leading casino corporation in America, about possible investment in Thailand."

watched a wonderfull doco on the kurdish womens battalion apparently the most feared fighting force in the conflict also the bane of isis. as being killed by a woman has the outcome of no place in muslim heaven and no virgins.

really ? that is something I didn't know and very interesting. It must be a nightmare then for those ISIS animals and hopefully more brave women will join the fight against those inhuman Bast&%$

Karhan said she’d heard stories about the extremists’ fear of being killed by the opposite sex. In northern Iraq, it is said that the Islamic State fighters, who are exclusively male, believe that they won’t be admitted to heaven if they are killed by a woman.

Startling details have surfaced of British female jihadists forcing captured Iraqi women into sexual slavery at brothels run by militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).....It is the British women who have risen to the top of the Islamic State’s Sharia police, and now they are in charge of this operation.” ISIS chiefs have reportedly given British women such prominent roles in the ultra-religious all female militia because they see them as the most committed of the foreign female fighters.

"The FEHD warned them not to use turmeric or any substance to accelerate ripening or Hong Kong would ban durian imports from Thailand."

So HK says don't use it or they will ban imports, but Thailand says,

"Duangkamol said the government would stringently control farmers and exporters who used a chemical substance to hasten the ripening of durian not to use more than two parts per million."

Somehow I think they just don't get it.

"PHUKET: Video from one security camera shows Mr Pendlebury attempting to film the eviction of customers from the premises....shows a figure confronting Mr Pendlebury....Mr Pendlebury, who quickly retreats along a row of parked tuk-tuks... Within moments he is shown being pursued by five or six men.,Seconds later, Mr Pendlebury has told police, he was knocked to the ground, being kicked in the head and fighting for his life, then desperately lashing out with a pocket knife. Injuries to the face, head and torso of Australian Mark Pendlebury are consistent with his claim that he was ''being stomped'' by security guards and tuk-tuk drivers before a fatal stabbing in Patong.... .... Two men he says were Indians - or possibly tourists from the Middle east - intervened and saved his life."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hn6TsoSx2g&feature=youtu.be

I wonder if this publicity will end their undercover careers.

Thaksin Shinawatra