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Well it seems like a few intelligent people don't agree with Sutheps plan to keep the feudal system in place!

Maybe there is hope for Thailand afterall!

Sory soi41 I didn't see any mention of the antigovernment and anti corruption protests or Suthep in that entire article, looks like misdirection to me. Sounds more like they believe that Thaksinomics are an economic disaster that threatens to bankrupt Thailand and that economic reforms are a priority and a more socialist distribution of wealth should be a goal.

All military personnel should join the RTP and vote PTP, because you cant vote Dems.

A true grass roots movement of peaceful protestors grown organically on grassroots funding, non violent and moderately confrontational.

"The National Anti-Corruption Commission has said charges over the controversial rice-pledging scheme are expected to be laid against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra after the February 2 general election."

More impetuous to win the election and implement the blanket amnesty bill, but what if the election is postponed?

I wonder why the PTP weren't confident of having their amended constitution approved in a referendum (which they had the chance of doing)?? Just what was to be lurking inside it that the people might not like I wonder??

Two things.

Firstly, kurtgruen, the constitution may have been voted in by a referendum (disregarding the conditions under which that happened) but I don't recall the Junta having a referendum before they amended the 1997 constitution - a condition that was imposed on the PTP if they wanted to amend the 2007 Junta constitution. Double Standards?

Secondly, SICHONSTEVE, the Constitution Court told that the PTP had to have a referendum before amending the Constitution OR amend individual sections within parliament, which they attempted to do, until the dems started throwing lawsuits around.

Are we clear now?

So your saying a popularly elected government shouldn't have checks and balances imposed on it because it got the majority vote and that's democracy, tyranny of the Majority?

Sounds like more Fab4 red fabrications, democracy depends on an even balance between all areas of governance. The PTP have utilised loophole in the constitution to upset the balance and Suthep wants it rebalanced.

No, I'm not. I'm sayng the checks and balances imposed should be consistent, balanced and fair, not something you could accuse the CC of.

Suthep wants nothing of the sort, he wants an appointed peoples council.

I've said this before, DO NOT accuse me of lying without substantiation.Just because you're hiding behind your anonymity on this board does not make your accusations justified.

If you can find anything in my post above that is a lie, Prove it.

You original post, in answer to SICHONSTEVE, said that the PTP couldn't hold a referendum for constitutional change because the 1997 one didnt. Furthermore, they attemped the article by article change but the CC and Dems blocked them using checks and balances.

Fab4 the CC and Dems don't impose check and balances, to say this would be a fabrication. The checks and balances are written in to the constitution and the role of the CC is to interpret the constitution to resolve disputes.

PS: "Just because you're hiding behind your anonymity on this board", I don't see you flaunting your name and home address.

This Constitution was voted in by Referendum, so if anybody wants to make changes to it, it should be done via referendum, again, after the changes have been discussed and voted on, bring it back to the people.

I wonder why the PTP weren't confident of having their amended constitution approved in a referendum (which they had the chance of doing)?? Just what was to be lurking inside it that the people might not like I wonder??

Two things.

Firstly, kurtgruen, the constitution may have been voted in by a referendum (disregarding the conditions under which that happened) but I don't recall the Junta having a referendum before they amended the 1997 constitution - a condition that was imposed on the PTP if they wanted to amend the 2007 Junta constitution. Double Standards?

Secondly, SICHONSTEVE, the Constitution Court told that the PTP had to have a referendum before amending the Constitution OR amend individual sections within parliament, which they attempted to do, until the dems started throwing lawsuits around.

Are we clear now?

So your saying a popularly elected government shouldn't have checks and balances imposed on it because it got the majority vote and that's democracy, tyranny of the Majority?

Sounds like more Fab4 red fabrications, democracy depends on an even balance between all areas of governance. The PTP have utilised loophole in the constitution to upset the balance and Suthep wants it rebalanced.

Only Chalerm can solve this

Or tarit. from the DSI

This is a prime example of the Yingluck/Thaksin decision making process. Take a drunk who has recently had brain surgery and give him total control over the security apparatus with state of emergency powers over a potentially explosive protest situation and expect the combination to lead to peace and unity! I see there is no role for the PM and defence minister in the command canter.

I guess her role is ........Yinglucks tears.jpg

I guess they expect that should it all end in a high body count then caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung will shoulder the responsibility as director in command of the centre.

All part of Thaksin's damage control

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So which is it Einstein ?

Either they are a bunch of clueless muppets or smart and cunning ?

can't be both like you seem to flip flop on, depending on the thread.

makes you look a right

Which part of my post suggested " smart and cunning'? Personally I think its a case of dumb and dumber. But what's scary is they are so divorced from reality that they would consider mass murder as collateral damage.

This is a prime example of the Yingluck/Thaksin decision making process. Take a drunken thug, who has recently had brain surgery and give him total control over the security apparatus with state of emergency powers. Then turn him loose on peaceful protestors and expect it to lead to peace and unity!

I see there is no role for the PM and defence minister in the "command centre", for a obvious reason.

I anticipate that should it all end in a high body count then caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung will be accountable as director in command of the centre and bare sole responsibility.

Which leaves Yingluck too.

But don't worry as its all part of Thaksin's damage control

Then the problems got worse.....

"EC rejects government’s 130-billion baht rice loans"

and worse......

"and the using of 50 billion baht fund from the liquidity of the Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives to pay rice farmers."

But true to their corrupt form the PTP went off half cocked...........

"But he said that he has learned that the government has already used the bank liquidity for rice payment, therefore the EC has warned that it has to take its own responsibility."

As the rock was lifted the true extent of their lies and corruption is being revealed.......

"NACC probe on PM a big setback to image of govt: Teerachai"

"Probe into PM Yingluck will be comprehensive "

"Thai Rice sale to China delayed by legal limbo over 'caretaker' powers"

"Thai farmers demand rice payment on Monday"

"Rice farmers threaten 'final showdown' if demands not met "

The treasury is empty, they had a self funding rice scheme that Thaksin claimed would double it money in three years all it would take is a Bht 500 billion loan to start, now its a Bht 800 billion blackhole. The government have protestors blockading Bangkok, rice farmers revolting in the heartlands, the judiciary exposing their dirty linen, a third hand lobbing granades and shooting protestors, an election in 2 weeks and they haven't started their election campaign yet!.........Poor Yingluck

The horror! I wanna quit caddy

No you cant quit Poo, now we both need a blanket amnesty

Yingluck is looking stressed.......

More robbing Peter to pay Paul, they will take budgeted funds from the State enterprises and use it to fund the rice scam.

What are the state enterprises?

State Owned Enterprises (SOEs) of Thailand.

"The developing SOEs performance has become one of economic development strategy as a substantial provider for the fundamental economic infrastructure in order to regain the prosperity of Thai economy, to contribute the competitiveness for private sector and to ensure the sustainable in Thai economy."

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/thai-state-enterprises.htm

Whats on the agenda? To resurrect the constitutional changes deemed unconstitutional?

Thaksin is reputed to have tripled his multi-billionaire wealth, since his sister has been in office. Of course he wants her to stay! That's creaming plus!

"sigh" stockmarkets and company shares are up three fold since 2006 as well, Taksin dosnt need to fleece Thailand when hes got billions to invest anywhere he pleases anyone with serious money has made bucket loads more since the 08 crash ... go do some research before spouting silliness. im not saying he didnt thieve but he dosnt need to make a few million here and there when hes got the stockmarkets making him billions

"sigh" only problem with that theory is Thaksins wealth dropped from 2006 til he sister gained government in 2011, then it doubled to $600 million the first year of her administration then tripled to $1.7 billion the second. Its time you did some research instead of just parroting the red spin, the reality he lost millions on the stock market and made billions in the rice market.

"sigh": so you have a theory. Unless you can back it up with links, documents and facts that's all it is. You need something with a little more substance than your theory I'm afraid. People with large amounts of money and many assets have these sorts rises and falls all over the world all the time.

"sigh" The information is out there try doing your own research rather than just closing you eyes and saying, "I don't believe you".

In spite of it all, I'm impressed that there is so little violence. It says something very good about the Thai people.

I agree but it helps to have the organisers calling for non violence from the stage rather than "burn it all".

Amazing Thailand

What authority does this man have from a legal standpoint on this situation?

Could this article (if taken from statements directly from her and also possibly from the brawler himself) be an admission of associating with and acting on behalf for the benefit of a known fugitive?

If Thai law does not cover this kind of activity then perhaps it is time Thai law was modernised into the digital era to reflect this type of crime. This goes not only for dialogue between PTP and Thaksin but all other fugitives of the Kingdom - he is not the first and will not be the last unless the law is changed.

He is the current Thai government. And people think democracy is having an election so a convicted criminal can carry on creaming a country for his own benefit.

Thaksin is reputed to have tripled his multi-billionaire wealth, since his sister has been in office. Of course he wants her to stay! That's creaming plus!

"sigh" stockmarkets and company shares are up three fold since 2006 as well, Taksin dosnt need to fleece Thailand when hes got billions to invest anywhere he pleases anyone with serious money has made bucket loads more since the 08 crash ... go do some research before spouting silliness. im not saying he didnt thieve but he dosnt need to make a few million here and there when hes got the stockmarkets making him billions

"sigh" only problem with that theory is Thaksins wealth dropped from 2006 til he sister gained government in 2011, then it doubled to $600 million the first year of her administration then tripled to $1.7 billion the second. Its time you did some research instead of just parroting the red spin, the reality he lost millions on the stock market and made billions in the rice market.

Mild violence like this will just increase the protestors resolve. Let hope it doesn't escalate.

I don't thin the government can issue a royal decree.

"The Prime Minister said that the amount of two trillion baht would come from both domestic and foreign funding sources. The private sector would also be urged to co-invest in various infrastructure projects under the plan. The Government would issue a royal decree to seek loans for the plan, to be approved by the House of Representatives and the Senate."

I don't think the government can issue a royal decree. Note the word ROYAL

H.M. the King will be presented the 'royal decree' for signature.

The same way Yingluck gets her royal medals.