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This is the problem. Judges trying to legislate from the bench. This will be the next thing Trump will go after with his appointees to the Supreme Court.

The Cato institute , which is very conservative ...


“Foreigners from those seven nations have killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and the end of 2015,” Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, wrote on the group’s website.

Even Many Christian evangelicals are against this...

The announcement was met with immediate backlash from leaders of nearly every Christian denomination, along with those of other faiths. They argue that Trump’s actions do not reflect the teachings of the Bible, nor the traditions of the United States, and they have urged the president to let them get back to work—many of the country’s most prominent refugee resettlement organizations are faith-based.


Some examples..


“Christ calls us to care for everyone, regardless of who they are and where they come from,” said Jenny Yang, the senior vice president of advocacy and policy at World Relief, the arm of the National Association of Evangelicals that provides refugee and immigration resettlement services. “That has to be a core part of our witness—not just caring for our own, but caring for others as well.”


The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official body of the Church in America, also declared that it “strongly opposes” Trump’s executive orders. “We believe in assisting all those who are vulnerable and fleeing persecution, regardless of their religion,” said Bishop Joe Vásquez of Austin, Texas, in a statement. “This includes Christians, as well as Yazidis and Shia Muslims from Syria, Rohingyas from Burma, and other religious minorities. However, we need to protect all our brothers and sisters of all faiths, including Muslims.”

During his homily at a pro-life prayer vigil on Thursday, New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan said something similar, as I wrote on Friday: “Refugees and immigrants continue to believe that this nation is still a sanctuary, as they arrive with relief and thanksgiving,” he said. “We pray they are never let down!”

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Here's a couple more..

Guessing the list will continue to grow


Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) also criticized the new policy, telling the Maine-Sun Journal that it was "overly broad" and could hurt Iraqis who worked with American forces as translators and bodyguards.


Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) also criticized the order, saying that "it's not lawful to ban immigrants on basis of nationality." He also warned that the order undermines the U.S. Constitution.

How about his VP's earlier comments on this issue during campaign...

On Twitter, meanwhile, tens of thousands of people retweeted an old statement by Trump's vice president, Mike Pence, who in his former role as Governor of Indiana proclaimed in December 2015 that "calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional."


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As does every other lefty in the country, I'm shocked

Along with a lot of moderates and even some republicans...

There are much better ways to solve the problem... I still believe a total ban is not the best solution

1) Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA)

Dent, whose district has one of the largest Syrian refugee populations in the country, called on Trump to halt the immigration order on Saturday afternoon, telling the New York Times: “I urge the administration to halt enforcement of this order until a more thoughtful and deliberate policy can be instated.”

2) Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ)

Flake singled out the fact that Trump’s order was so broad that up to 500,000 green-card holders — permanent residents of the United States — could be barred from returning to America if they went abroad:

3) Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE)

Sasse, a Trump critic throughout the campaign, issued a statement criticizing the order as “too broad” — and expressed worry that it sent the dangerous message that “the US sees all Muslims as jihadis”:

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Have not seen anything mentioned in the executive order that allows for the re-vetting just a ban..

Also why not re-vet him at the airport and then release?

Or revise the visa process and instruct all
Visa holders to provide additional information needed for
Re-vetting within a certain time frame or they will be black listed

There are many ways that re-vetting can be done if needed but a straight ban on everyone with valid visas and green cards is not a good way to do it

I have backed Trump in other posts and have pushed all to give him a chance..

But no one is perfect and if some one is wrong, we need to hold them accountable

On this , I think he is dead wrong to be banning those with valid visas and green cards or duel citizenship from entering the US

Do you really think this is a good thing and the best and fairest way to proceed?

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A visa is no gurantee you will be allowed into any country,  
PR although having unhindered right of abode, can have that right removed if conditions warrant it and thats a fact not just in the US 
 
As regards your example, a bit confused, i stand to be corrected a green card confers employment rights and one doesnt need a visa if one has a green card,
 
so there seems to be some technical inaccuracies in the example,
 
further US authorites are perfectly with in their rights to deny entry to non citizens if the circumstances warrant it..in this case the persons concerned are not citizens
 
This is the same in many countries not just the US  

That remains to be seen, but at the very least at the moment he is keeping his election promises, which is very unusual for a politian, so that counts for something 

Conclusive proof that  Mr Obama was mentally ill during his Presidency ? 

Illegal immigration is one thing... but these are legal visitors and legal immigrants, who have gone through the vetting process and done all the correct things

I have defended Trump in the past and advise to give him a chance

While I still agree with that, I also have said that if he does something that is wrong.. then people need to call him out on that...

I believe this is such a case

Presidents can make executive orders but the courts can rule them to be unconstitutional.. they did to Obama and should do so in this case

I hope this is turned over in the courts quickly...


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Its one thing to propose more stringent vetting of those seeking asylum or refugee status...

A completely different thing to ban those with legal visas or green cards

Am glad to see the Federal judge jump in on this one, as this deserves to be overturned


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Well they are white... but think it's a little over the top to call them racists

When I first moved to Thailand , around 12 years ago, seemed this happened quite often ...

Although over the years, have noticed fewer and fewer cases of Thais trying to cut into the front of the line

To be honest, it's been so long since its happened, cant even remember the last time.


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Don't worry he will NOT do a lousy job!

 

My prediction is for a Trump Dynasty. Ivanka 2024!!!

 

He wasn't my first choice, but honestly do hope he does a good job for America

Some things he says, I like... some things I don't like at all... but at least willing to give him a chance

Only time will tell, but I do hope that all give him

A chance

He deserves to pick his cabinet, and put forward his plan

There are some things that those across the isle should be willing to work with him on... and others worth fighting about

But should not try to fight him on everything!!!

That's a bit ridiculous and think if Dems take the position that everything Donald Trump says or does must be stopped , it will not help them in mid term elections

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       CWMcMurrey opines; "So while the release may have affected the election, it did so by informing the voters how the Clinton Campaign was trying to manipulate the process and dupe voters. So once voters learn the truth, they voted accordingly. Are you saying that it was wrong for the voters to have had the information that came out? "
 
         Boomers responds:  I'm in favor of voters getting all the info possible on all candidates.  What's pertinent about Putin successfully backing Trump is:
The Russkies intercepted dirt on both major candidates by chose to only release dirt on HRC and not Trump.   Any level-headed person who followed the campaign knows that Trump has mountains more dirt than HRC.  
 
        Who admitted they're a pussy-grabber?  Who changed policy as often as a neon light flickers?  Who has zero experience in government or foreign affairs?  Who didn't release their tax statements (and who never will)?  Who has over 3,000 lawsuits against him while repeatedly and continuing to rip-off workers?  
 
          Those are just some of the things we already know about Trump.  What if the Russkies had released the reams of shit on Trump which they surely have?  
 
          Do you see the pattern here?  The Russkies purposefully released only shit which hurt HRC, and just as purposefully withheld worse shit on Trump.  Now that Trump will be the top exec, he will be easily manipulated by Russkies.  Why?  Because, the Russkies (and Chinese and others) very likely have mountains of ugly shit which they could threaten to release on The Divider, if he doesn't play ball according to their rules.  
 
        Is Trump a Russian agent?  Probably not, but he can be easily blackmailed.
 
         What if Russkies or others have strong proof showing Trump violently raped 14 year olds?   Not far-fetched, when there are already accusations and court proceedings alleging that happened.  What if the Russkies had access to Trump's tax statements which showed Trump (A) illegally avoided taxes and/or ( has business interests which are deeply involved with foreign governments, friend and foe.  
 
        It's already been shown that Trump has deep involvements with at least one large Russian bank.  How involved?  Trump is also known to owe large amounts of money to Chinese banks.  Conflicts of interest on the horizon?  You bet your fuzzy dice there are.

The tax documents were not illegally obtained.  They were sent to the NY Times via mail, and authenticated.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/2016/10/02/e7c1e0ce-88e0-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html?utm_term=.64e25e520a3f

 

Agree with you about political candidates, but the servers hacked belonged to a private organization.  Where do you draw the line?  Me?  If it's illegal, it's illegal and should be pursued.  Hard to pick and choose what laws you want to follow and which ones you don't.  A slippery slope for sure.

For the taxes, they were authenticated.. meaning they were real... but Trump and his

Organization deny they provided them

They were mailed anonymously... and if Trump did not authorize the person to send them, it means who ever sent them did so illegally

In the same way that no one from DNC or Podesta deny that the emails released by Wikileaks were true

So to me its the same as Clinton emails

But I'm ok with both

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And before you call me a racist, idiot, redneck or Neanderthal (e.g. Your apparent view of a Trump supporter)

Also just want to add that in addition to the above, was also ok with the New York Times publishing Trumps taxes, even though those were also illegally obtained...

Again for the same reasons... I think voters had the right to know that he may not have paid any taxes

Also didn't think it anything wrong with releasing the 'Access Hollywood' tapes

As far as I'm concerned , no such thing as too much information when comes to political candidates

When they run for office, they give up their right to keep these things private

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        As important a factor in the whole equation is the large portion of American voters who voted for Trump.  They proved how easily duped/manipulated they can be - both by Trump and by Putin's cyber agents. The US is unsafe to the extent its people dwell in stupid realms.   Stupid people put Trump in power, so now all Americans (easily-duped and others) will suffer under his dangerous rule.

 

         Incidentally, lap dog Pence just came out publicly - dissing US intelligence services - while supporting (what choice does he have?) Trump's idiotic praising of Putin, Assange and others of their ilk.   Russkies and other foreigners are laughing at Trump and his sheeple for electing such a dufus as leader.

 

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all the stuff released was true ?

So while the release may have affected the election, it did so by informing the voters how the Clinton Campaign was trying to manipulate the process and dupe voters..

So once voters learn the truth, they voted accordingly

Are you saying that it was wrong for the voters to have had the information that came out?

I'm a fan of all whistle blowers and really could care less if the emails came from the Russians or a non state party as Assange from Wikileaks has said.

The emails just proved what many of us were saying all through the primaries.. that the DNC was actively favoring Clinton over Bernie and were doing all they could to ensure Clinton was the Democratic candidate

So I blame the DNC and the Democrat party big wigs... as if Bernie was the candidate, we would all be saying President Sanders right now..

To me it is a non story that Russia has spies and tries to use propaganda to influence people's opinions in the US and every where else in the world

Surely all major governments try the best to do the same.. only difference is where the line is drawn

In Russia maybe they use hackers, while in US they used State Department funds to donate to organization against a certain candidate from a certain Middle eastern Democracy

and wasn't their many stories of NSA Tapping world leaders phones? Also sure that is not the limit, as US has a long history of supporting certain candidates or in some cases leaders who were dictators the last never even let their people have a democratic vote

But don't get me wrong , I'm not saying that is a bad thing in every case.. just that it is a pretty common thing that most governments are involved in to varying degrees

So long as is just propaganda or releasing embarrassing truths, I'm actually ok with it.

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Totally incorrect: only 37% of the British electorate voted to leave. The majority voted to remain or did not vote at all.

I am not disputing that more voted for than against, but it is wrong to say that they majority of Brits support Brexit. Clearly they don't.

By this logic, you could also say a majority of Brits did not want to remain in the EU ..

As a majority either voted to leave the EU or stayed home..

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Very, very naive.
He needs to make deals now with Ryan and what Ryan wants in return is to completely dismantle the New Deal (social security and Medicare). 
Don't people realize that trump lies more than any other presidential candidate in history? Now elected, people are dim enough to believe anything out of his mouth? He changes what he says constantly. Now you assume he's going to remain moderating because of what he says on one day that totally contradicts what he's said other days? Based on what? Wishful thinking is all. It's a TACTIC to put people to sleep.
 
This new government needs to be watched closely and proactively more than ever. Don't give a destructive force like trumpism any kind of "give him a chance" honeymoon. He does NOT deserve it. 
 
What power do people have when they see what's going down? Not much anymore but one thing they do have is the power of protest and public disapproval. trump craves people to like him. He knows he's the most unpopular president to ever be elected in American history. But he still has plenty of people. Imagine how that plenty of people will be degraded when more of those people realize what's really happening that is actually going to hurt them and their families. 
 
Naive people say, don't worry, there is a limit to how bad this can be. There are always checks and balances. Uh oh. Not so much. Here's your checks and balances with trump:
 
"How Bannon flattered and coaxed Trump on policies key to the alt-right"
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bannon-flattered-and-coaxed-trump-on-policies-key-to-the-alt-right/2016/11/15/53c66362-ab69-11e6-a31b-4b6397e625d0_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_bannon815p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

People really
Shouldn't be that scared... Since elected , keep seeing signs that Trump is heading towards the middle...


Now instead of a 'great big wall'.. It's a wall that may be a fence in some parts or a 'virtual wall in others'

Instead of deport all illegals.. It's lets just focus on those who have committed other crimes and we'll talk about the rest later once
Borders are secured and the criminals have been deported..

Rather throw Obammacare in the trash and do some thing else... He is saying, what ever will replace Obamma care would need to keep clauses for not exempting previous conditions and allow kids
To stay under parents plans until 26...

Even Bernie believes there are some areas that he can work with Trump on..

So he is shifting and you had To know he would... So no, I'm not really
Scared about the next 4 years


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Trump lost the Popular Vote.

 

Here's what I saw as of an hour ago....

 

Hillary Clinton:    59, 916,416

Donald Trump:    59, 690,923

 

There aren't enough remaining ballots still being counted to change the result of the Popular Vote, which is that Hillary Clinton won the Popular Vote. (She lost it big time over there on the far out right.)

 

This is also a reminder that Donald Trump is the most unpopular President-Elect in the history of the country. He needs to radically change his deplorable words and actions during his campaign of the past 16 months or he will be sworn in January 20th as the most unpopular Potus ever to assume office.

 

Youse winners over there having fun yet?

Kind of funny how things turned out in one respect... Prior to Election Day, all

The reports I saw was that Republicans saying that the electoral college system was rigged against Republicans and how it favored the Democrats..

Hmmm... Oops... Looks that that's not quite the case

And now today.... See articles in conservative sites saying this like...

Why the Electoral College Still makes sense ...

...What appears to deprive the populace of its power to decide a president is the very mechanism that preserves its power. The Electoral College works that way because the United States isn’t a pure Democracy..

LoL

Although if want to fair, see the same

Flip flop on the democratic side as well, but in reverse..

I sometimes wonder if the talking heads on both sides really realize how much they flip flop around like a fish out of water..

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So far I don't see any data, other than your anecdotes, to support the assertion that Bernie supporters stayed away in sufficient numbers to decide any state, much less the election.  Possibly, in WI and MI they were a factor because the percentage for third-party candidates exceeded Trump's margin, but had those two states gone for HRC she would still have lost and it hasn't yet been shown that the third-party votes were mainly at the expense of HRC.

 

Had Bernie been the candidate the campaign would have been different: instead of emails you would have seen more swastikas.  No way would those rural white Christian men have voted for any Jew socialist.  Trump had enough coded anti-Semitic remarks and ads as it was.

Here is another bit of info to support the fact that Bernie would have won...

What states dis Hillary loose unexpectedly that ended up causing her to fall short on electoral college votes?

Answer.. Midwest rust belt states.. Funny enough, if you remember from the primaries, these are also the areas where she faced upsets and biggest problems in the primary to Bernie..

A clear indication of her weakness in these key states and also showing Bernie's stronger support in the same areas

Also in Primaries.. Many of Bernie supporters were blue collar white males... Who ended up turning to Trump in the election, but have no doubts that if Bernie was on the ticket, many of these same voters would have voted for him

And do not believe that to be any indication that these white males are anti-women but they are blue collar working class folks that lost jobs and struggling .. They just didn't t trust Hillary due to her policies on TPP and other comments that she has made.. But they did trust Bernie

Sanders’ strength wasn’t in inner cities, but in suburbs and rural areas, which was also eel here Trump was getting most of his votes.

Would Trump still have won a majority of Rural voters, surely.. Bit by significantly lower margin against Bernie and that would been enough to make the difference in these states.

As even though Trump won them, he did not win by a large number of votes.

..... In five states Sanders won where exit polling data is available — Indiana, Michigan, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and Wisconsin — the demographics that helped Trump hit 270 electoral college votes were also Sen. Sanders’ key demographics

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-would-have-crushed-trump/

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And here's another showing 1 in 10 Bernie supporter actually plan to vote for Trump...


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/13/bernie-sanders-supporters-consider-donald-trump-no-hillary-clinton


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I don't know where you pulled that figure from, or how it was arrived at.

It still does not undo Trump's statements, though.

25% of Sanders voters won't vote for Clinton

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-supporters-not-vote-clinton-221642

http://www.nationalmemo.com/poll-25-percent-of-sanders-voters-would-shun-clinton/

Here's another ... Showing only 40% Bernie supports Support Clinton

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/09/02/clinton-still-struggles-sanders-democrats/

This is just a quick google, sure could find a lot more on this if spent time in it... But think this is enough to

Show its not just anecdotal..

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