CWMcMurray

True value has them ...

It's in K Village just off of Rama 4...

http://www.truevalue.co.th/

Rather half a loaf than nothing. That works for any party or ideology.

But why start negotiations at a half a loaf and then settling for crumbs?

I am hoping that some of Sanders ideas on education and health care can be integrated into the Clinton campaign agenda. Compromised of course. That's politics. But the Sanders movement deserves something for it's success, which was short of winning, but still impressive, and yes Clinton will want a significant percentage of Sanders supporters to help defeat the vile monster. Those who are ideological purists, too bad, that's not the real world, in the USA, or anywhere.

This is why Bernie is asking for some of his supporters to be on committee to draft platform... So far no agreement to allow this

I hope DNC will reconsider

ET has no common sense, in fact he has no sense. Now on to a more relevant discussion, unless you still want to shoot yourself in the foot. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/bill-clinton-gave-six-figure-speech-vulture-fund-apollo . http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/37203-placebo-ballots-stealing-california-from-bernie-using-an-old-gop-vote-snatching-trick . http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/06/01/vast-majority-democrats-want-sanders-stay-race-poll . http://www.nationofchange.org/news/2016/06/01/common-sense-democratic-presidential-race/ . http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11833548/donald-trump-support-race-religion-economy . http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/trump-delegates-patriot-movement-militias . http://www.thenation.com/article/the-sanders-campaign-can-still-win-a-future-to-believe-in/?print=1 . http://www.thenation.com/article/how-false-equivalence-is-distorting-the-2016-election-coverage/?print=1 . https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/01/sanders-dnc-vetoed-union-leader-pick-for-platform-committee/

Do you agree that the American tax payer should pay the $226,000 college tuition for this lady?

Do you think the taxpayer should fund military training or should those costs be paid by the individual military person?

Apple and oranges. I ask you also. Do you agree that the American tax payer should pay the $226,000 college tuition for this lady? Please answer yes or no.

Why is it apples and oranges? Military is okay to Socialise but education is not. The big bad government levies taxes and spends it on free training for military personnel so they can earn an income. Pure unadulterated Socialism. Giving away stuff for free aren't they?

If the young woman qualifies for University admission to a public not private University and the $226,000 relates to tuition fees only, then yes the taxpayer would fund her.

Have to disagree with you a bit...

You may not realize, but there are no public universities that will ever come any where near that amount.

In the US ... The system can be a bit broken... As credit cards and loans are just thrown at students

Many will have half a dozen credit cards and will take loans far exceeding tuition costs

Had many friends that used these loans to pay for normal living expenses, cars, spring break vacations

Which is completely irresponsible, but if it is a loan... Up to them...

But no one is talking about paying for many multiples of tuition

Also I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of civil service requirement for free college

For military, soldier for 4 years and then GI Bill paying for college for 4 years

Would never back anything that forced military service to all.. As many are not suited for military service and others may have issues...

But there are many types of service possible.. Volunteer at local charities or government. Programs or other ways to 'give back' to society can be found.

ET has no common sense, in fact he has no sense. Now on to a more relevant discussion, unless you still want to shoot yourself in the foot. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/bill-clinton-gave-six-figure-speech-vulture-fund-apollo . http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/37203-placebo-ballots-stealing-california-from-bernie-using-an-old-gop-vote-snatching-trick . http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/06/01/vast-majority-democrats-want-sanders-stay-race-poll . http://www.nationofchange.org/news/2016/06/01/common-sense-democratic-presidential-race/ . http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11833548/donald-trump-support-race-religion-economy . http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/trump-delegates-patriot-movement-militias . http://www.thenation.com/article/the-sanders-campaign-can-still-win-a-future-to-believe-in/?print=1 . http://www.thenation.com/article/how-false-equivalence-is-distorting-the-2016-election-coverage/?print=1 . https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/01/sanders-dnc-vetoed-union-leader-pick-for-platform-committee/

Do you agree that the American tax payer should pay the $226,000 college tuition for this lady?

Do you think the taxpayer should fund military training or should those costs be paid by the individual military person?

Apple and oranges. I ask you also. Do you agree that the American tax payer should pay the $226,000 college tuition for this lady? Please answer yes or no.

Absolutely 100% NOT...

But Bernie is not asking the American tax payers to pay such ridiculous amount..

He is only talking about 4 years of tuition fee at public universities

Quote--

In 2015-16, average published tuition and fee prices for in-state students at public four-year institutions range from $4,890 in Wyoming and $6,350 in Montana to $14,990 in Vermont and $15,160 in New Hampshire.

http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/2015-16-state-tuition-and-fees-public-four-year-institutions-state-and-five-year-percentage

No idea what university that girl went to or for how many years... But even Bernie ain't talking about picking up that tab...

It's not a blank check...

OK, I've been up in Nong Khai for my annual trip to the Mekong on Memorial Day to raise a glass or 3 to those that have died, especially in the illegal, unnecessary, immoral wars fought starting with Vietnam. May the gods damn forever those that sent us off to die for nothing, Semper Fi. .Catching up with a bit of news for those that take the time to read. We all know the posters that won't/can't....... http://www.thenation.com/article/whats-next-for-bernie-sanderss-grassroots-army/ http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/hillary-clinton-s-memoir-deletions-in-detail http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/five-things-you-need-to-know-about-donald-trump-s-pitiful-plan-for-the-planet https://jonathanturley.org/2016/06/01/clinton-offers-new-explanation-for-email-scandal/ http://www.alternet.org/print/election-2016/donald-trumps-plans-will-put-world-peril http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/05/bernstein-white-house-is-terrified.html?m=1

http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Common-Sense-on-the-Democr-by-Robert-Borosage-Bernie-Sanders_Hillary-Clinton_Politics_Presidential-Campaign-Democratic-160601-436.html http://www.opednews.com/articles/What-the-Hell-Does-Bernie-by-Steve-Weissman-Bernie-Sanders-Presidential-Campaign_Donald-Trump_Hillary-Clinton-160531-58.html http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/31/rigged-2016-election-has-voters-feeling-helpless-unheard-and-ashamed

Well the FBI needs to sh_t

Or get off the pot already...

They need to wrap up and make a recommendation before Democratic convention in July

If they are going to indict then needs to before the convention...

As if that happens... It's all back up in the air... As Clinton will only have the nomination with support of Super delegates

Unlikely she will secure enough pledged delegates, so an indictment is about the only way I would see a chance that super delegates would likely reconsider throwing support behind Bernie

... Also for those that support Hillary you should also want FBI to finish their investigation and make a recommendation by then as well...

So this issue can be settled before general election

I think the FBI owes it to the American voters

To get this resolved and make a recommendation one way or another by next month

After all.. This started in Mar 2015... So over a year already for investigating ...

I use to think that Bernie would run as a third party but now that Hillary is about to be indicted I really truly think he is going to get the nomination. With that said, do you think Hillary supporters will change over to Bernie or just stay home and sob ? Just wondering

I wish Bernie and Trump had ran Independent. We would at least have 4 candidates on the ballot and the two corporate parties would have probably finished in 3rd & 4th place in the balloting. That would also help reinforce to the lemming voters that it's ok to vote for an Independent candidate rather than simply voting based on the media fabricated bullshit that a vote for a 3rd party is wasted

I think Hillary is subservient to the corporate party while The Donald IS the corporate party. There should be a book in the making similar to Thomas Frank's book "What's The Matter With Kansas" only dealing with the topic "how can a corporate insider be seen as being able to fix the corporate state". Fox..hen house

2016 itself is likely a loss. Four more years of gridlock might be the best outcome. I am thinking more in terms of Bernie and Trump setting the stage for candidates in 2020 and beyond. The current system needs to be blown up before it can be fixed

In such case, the most important thing that could happen this election is for Bernie to get some of his people on rules committee for Democratic convention and change the Super Delegate rigged system ...

also to get some of his guys on the committee drafting the democratic platform

It seems that may be his price to support Hillary...

If so

And can change these things, may help to set the system for better chance for an outside candidate in 2020

Just a guess.. And in no way certain the DNC and Hillary will allow it... But will see

Sanders isn't going to be nominated. That's obvious by now.

I have a question ... do you think Hillary Clinton can get at least 70 percent of Sander's supports, assuming Sanders endorses Clinton, which he obviously will?

Because according to recent electoral college analysis in Wapo, that would translate into a HUGE lead for Clinton over the vile monster.

I realize the active Sanders fans here are more like never Hillary types, but OBJECTIVELY do you think the 70 percent is possible?

I would say it's fair to put myself in the never Hillary camp... But would guess your estimate that 70% of Bernie supporters is not likely far off..

With likely 10-20 % possibly going to Trump and a like number likely to sit out...

Again this is just random numbers pulled from the sky... But wouldn't surprise me

"...stimulate the second-hand real estate market".

You don't need any stimulation. Just address the ill-treatment of banks towards mortgage restrictions on second-hand properties.

Why do they provide 100% financing to the inflated prices of new developments, but only 60-70% on already conservative valuations for second-hand properties?

... And that is why nearly everyone only buys new...

Nearly everyone buys new because they don't have the cash to buy second-hand properties, the cash for the high down payments.

And they don't have large amount for down payments because banks require much higher down payment for 2nd hand properties..

"...stimulate the second-hand real estate market".

You don't need any stimulation. Just address the ill-treatment of banks towards mortgage restrictions on second-hand properties.

Why do they provide 100% financing to the inflated prices of new developments, but only 60-70% on already conservative valuations for second-hand properties?

... And that is why nearly everyone only buys new...

Everytime Socialism is tried it ends in disaster. Is that what you Sanders fans wish for America?

Venezuela Drifts Into New Territory: Hunger, Blackouts and Government Shutdown

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/world/americas/venezuela-economic-government-collapse.html?_r=1

That's called end-stage Socialism folks...

Total socialism.... No.. Absolutely not...

All private industries should and would remain private industrials under a Bernie presidency ..

He is just talking about removing the loop holes in the tax structures that allow these private , for profit, capitalistic organizations to avoid paying their taxes

Also the same for very rich individuals..

I have never Heard him talk about government take over if any private industries in this election

He is just talking about taking corporate money out of politics, ensuring all private companies and individuals pay their fair share of taxes and using that mi EY to benefit all in society through programs like government single payer health care and public education at public universities ...

Health care and schooling does not make a socialist society... Government taking over ownership of private companies and government control of the means of production . Makes for socialism

By now everyone is aware that Sanders is embarrassed by the collapse of Venezuela and refuses to answer questions re that country:

Butt, butt, butt…you’re running for President of the United States in order to turn it into a socialist paradise like Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela. Couldn’t you take a moment to explain how that will work?

LEÓN KRAUZE, UNIVISION: I am sure that you know about this topic: various leftist governments, especially the populists, are in serious trouble in Latin America. The socialist model in Venezuela has the country near collapse. Argentina, also Brazil, how do you explain that failure?

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: You are asking me questions…

LEÓN KRAUZE, UNIVISION: I am sure you’re interested in that.

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: I am very interested, but right now I’m running for President of the United States.

LEÓN KRAUZE, UNIVISION: So you don’t have an opinion about the crisis in Venezuela?

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: Of course I have an opinion, but as I said, I’m focused on my campaign.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/11385294/Venezuelas-socialist-paradise-turns-into-a-nightmare-medical-shortages-claim-lives-as-oil-price-collapses.html

Waiting in line in Caracas supermarket to buy toilet paper

Last time I checked Bernie wasn't running for election in Venezuela. Most Americans couldn't point to Venezuela on a map. Venezuela economic woes have been explained to you 20 times and nothing to do with Socialism. Their economy is based on the price of oil. If oil prices drop so does their income. It wouldn't matter if they were a Timocracy they would be in deep trouble. -3.9% growth rate. Big trouble.

What do you mean? Americans are so smart...

Bet most of them know Venezuela ... That's the one with all the water running through the city .... Right?

I know every time I go back to US... Everyone is very interested about how I like living in Taiwan..

We can also cross our fingers and hope Hillary gets indicted before convention...

Do I think I will happen? Not likely.. But not because she is innocent ...

More likely she will be protected by administration to avoid prosecution ...

Although can still hope indictment comes through before convention.. As that could definitely give super delegates reason to change votes to Bernie

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/dear-fbi-the-democratic-p_b_9784334.html

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21699454-democratic-front-runner-mired-scandal-her-own-nurturing-already-indicted

Trump to scared to debate Bernie shows he is weak. Doesn't have the ticker to be President. You can't go run and hide when ISIS comes knocking. Too frightened to take on Bernie and thinks he's in with a show against Putin or Xi? Yeah right they will use him like a dish cloth. Those who wish America harm and advantage themselves must be praying to their 'gods' Trump becomes President. He's a pussy.

Why would Trump (or Clinton) want to debate second place Sanders? Sanders is the one who needs these debates, not either of them.

trump agreed to it first. Apparently he didn't think it through. Keep that psychopath away from the nuclear codes!

I think I'm seeing Clinton's strategy now. Play it like LBJ vs. Goldwater. He's too crazy, too unstable, too hot headed, more than anything just too DANGEROUS to have the power of the presidency.

Actually Clinton agreed to it first... Way back in the Primary schedule

But agree debates with Bernie only have chance to help Bernie

Trump to scared to debate Bernie shows he is weak. Doesn't have the ticker to be President. You can't go run and hide when ISIS comes knocking. Too frightened to take on Bernie and thinks he's in with a show against Putin or Xi? Yeah right they will use him like a dish cloth. Those who wish America harm and advantage themselves must be praying to their 'gods' Trump becomes President. He's a pussy.

And Hillary as well..

Trumps minders canned this idea of debating Bernie.

Old war horse Bernie would destroy Trump. Bernie would demonstrate exactly why Trump is not fit for Office.

Trump would struggle to win a debate with a sock puppet.

Completely agree Bernie would crush at debate with Trump

And that's the problem... No upside for Trump

Even if he so how managed to crush Bernie, which don't think would happen... It would still be net loss for Trump

He is hoping for some Bernie voters to come to his side, which regardless of how the debate turns out...he may turn off Many Bernie supporters

So I do understand... But it sucks... As really would have liked to see that...

And could have helped Bermie and Hurt Hillary

Well that sucks!!!!

Trump Quote---

Based on the fact that the Democratic nominating process is totally rigged and Crooked Hillary Clinton and Deborah Wasserman Schultz will not allow Bernie Sanders to win, and now that I am the presumptive Republican nominee, it seems inappropriate that I would debate the second place finisher,” Trump said.

If he's so strong, he wouldn't have lost. He had a one on one and it isn't even close. Bye bye Bernie. Nice to know you.

Sure ... Couldn't have anything to do with DNC head and all other establishment folks telling everyone that Bernie has no chance from beginning

Or getting so many super delegates to come out early showing support for Hillary to try and push voters to think no chance for Bernie to win

They have been calling for Bernie to drop out since day 1...

but regardless ... It ain't over yet...

Fight till the last vote is cast both in Primaries and in the convention

No need to throw in the hat... Give the super delegates a chance to not just say who they support but actually force them to vote between the two at the convention

This way if Hillary looses... Is clear for all to see who voted for the weaker candidate to be the democratic nominee

Even if Clinton loses in California, she'll still definitely be nominated.

Bernie is on an ego trip now. It's his last stand, he is going down, and now it looks like he doesn't care if he helps the vile monster become president as well.

Sanders, the FOOL, if he does this, has allowed himself to be SUCKED into the vile monster's reality game show.

The vile monster played the republican reality game show that way, and this is his way of infecting the democratic contest.

Helping the vile monster .... inexcusable.

So, that's the script, huh? Blame Bernie. If Clinton goes down to Trump you won't have to go any further than a mirror to know who to blame. You and the millions like you that have tried to shove a horribly flawed candidate down the throat of the American voting public, thereby helping the "vile monster" , to borrow a phrase.

What's your logic? Remember Ralph Nader and the idiots that voted for him giving the presidency to W. Bush over a very decent Al Gore? Yes, if it's close, and Bernie doesn't go all in to help Hillary, yes, he would be culpable.

BTW, trump will use a debate against Bernie to attack hillary. He wouldn't be there for Bernie. He knows Bernie is his PAWN. He loves to do that to people. ANOTHER Trump victim. So trump who could be presidents help himself to be president, and bernie gets nothing except the disdain of people who understand he has LOST and the focus now MUCH be on defeating the vile monster.

Bernie is not going to run as a third party candidate, so not the same at all

By your logic... If Dems loose, I would say it's Hillary's fault for not getting behind Bernie

All polls show he is a much stronger democratic candidate in the general election

Hillary is within margin of error in all polls and slipping daily

If the real goal was to beat Trump at all costs.. Then she and all other democrats should be backing Bernie for the nomination... Right?

If Hillary looses to Trump... That's not Bernie's fault...

That's Hillary and the DNC's fault

They have a much stronger candidate in Bernie and a candidate much more in line with the Democratic Party's platform on every issue... But it's supposed to be Hillary's turn regardless of everything else..

That is not Bernie's fault

Even if Clinton loses in California, she'll still definitely be nominated.

Bernie is on an ego trip now. It's his last stand, he is going down, and now it looks like he doesn't care if he helps the vile monster become president as well.

Sanders, the FOOL, if he does this, has allowed himself to be SUCKED into the vile monster's reality game show.

The vile monster played the republican reality game show that way, and this is his way of infecting the democratic contest.

Helping the vile monster .... inexcusable.

Disagree... Yes it is an almost certainty that Hillary will be the nominee, but it is not 100% certainty

Talking about pledged delegates.. It's 1768 to 1497...

So Bernie down by only 271... Super delegates can change their mind until they cast their vote.

There are still 764 delegates left in primaries yet to vote ...

So why should Bernie give up? It would be tough and nearly impossible for him to catch up but not impossible

The only reason for him to give up is if it is actually fixed and no chance for Super Delegates to vote for the best candidate

So is the fix in?

If not, he should keep fighting until Hillary has enough PLEDGED delegates to have the nomination

And if it is fixed.. Then he should continue to fight to highlight that point

As the Super Delegates should be weighing the candidates and choose the Best candidate at the convention...

After all isn't that what the Super delegates are supposed to do? On paper at least....

Brilliant strategy if it happens

For both of them...

Hillary is hopefully kicking her self ... She is her own worst enemy

No, only for the vile monster. Bernie has lost the plot.

Completely disagree... If Bernie shows his strength against Trump in debate, he could get a bounce in CA

Also may open the eyes of Super Delegates before convention

No downside for Bernie

To be honest only Trump has any real downside.. As if he hits Bernie too hard, could turn off those that may vote for him once Bernie is out

And if he is too soft, then could hurt him as well

Although if he does it just right , could help him with General election voters

Regardless of what happens.. Makes Hillary look bad as only possible because she backed out of debate that has earlier promised to hold

Also because she is sitting on side lines ..

Hope they don't back out and this happens

Brilliant strategy if it happens

For both of them...

Hillary is hopefully kicking her self ... She is her own worst enemy

Bernie vs Trump debate

Hillary backed out of promised debate With Bernie... So Trump said he'll debate Bernie

Bernie says game on!!!

Can't wait to see this!!!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/us/politics/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-debate.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.co.th/

The trend is not good For Hillary at this stage..

... So wonder if earlier comments about how Bernie supporters can just piss off.. As Hillary doesn't need our votes anyway is still the view of some on this thread..