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Hopefully these polls showing Clinton continue to slip against Trump will make super delegates realize...
A vote for Hillary is just helping Trump..
I vote for Bernie stops Trump cold..
If the most important thing To the DNC and other democrats is to avoid a Trump presidency at all costs.. Then get the super delegates to vote for Bernie
Certainly not a majority , but there are many democrats that would vote Trump over Hillary
But none that I have heard that would vote Trump over Bernie
Even long time Dem strategist Harlan Hill has advised will vote for Trump over Hillary
https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4fwtdu/harlan_hill_democratic_strategist_and_former/
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Unfortunately can't read any signatures... It won't show up on phone app.
I'm happy with all the SCOTUS cases you mention... Believe the correct outcome was reached
I am not a far right guy .. But some how you try to say that anyone who disagrees with you must be far right republican ?
Also while some may not be able to look to 2020 ... That does not mean some of us can not .
Yes presidential elections are important but 1 presidential election cycle is not the most important thing
I focus on where this country will be when my kids are grown, when my grandkids are born...
If the candidates in 1 presidential election are useless.. Then yes, I can start to look towards the next election and can form an opinion on what I think may be required in this election cycle to have a chance for better candidate for 2020
I know you disagree with my opinion, and that's fine... I don't dismiss or ridicule your belief.
You have every right to it... I may disagree and I may think differently, but at the end of the day ... That is ok..
I am not sure if it is intentional or not, but seems that in many cases you
Can come across as condescending
Although haven't completely given up on this election yet and still following closely and genuinely hope that my opinion will change before November
Although as things are at this stage.. If Trump and Hillary.. Likely to vote against Hillary or stay home; as genuinely think it would benefit the Democratic Party in the long term to have Hillary loose and DNC to take another look at itself
But still far too early to say everything is set in stone. I will watch and do not rule out that my thoughts may change.
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Sometimes the mature choice is to think a bit longer term than just one election cycleIf / when Hillary gets the nomination, will have to decide whether better to vote for Trump or stay home
Leaning towards voting for Trump , but if he ends up having a love fest with Republican establishment .. Then may be staying home in the fall
I would like to see a non bought and paid for candidate get elected Just to see if they could stay true once elected
I hope that the super delegates Come to their sense but doubt that will happen
Is really quite strange , as Bernie is the epitome of what most democrats say they believe in and want, but the DNC not a fan?
Wouldn't be surprised if the reason is that this deal was made in 2008 for Clintons and they money making power to get behind Obama...
Perhaps a promise was made that Obama's VP wouldn't run and that Hillary would be the anointed one in 2016...
But seems Bernie didn't get the memo ...
Who knows , maybe will be surprised and there will be a candidate worth giving full unadulterated support to in the fall...
If / when Hillary gets the nomination, will have to decide whether better to vote for Trump or stay home
Leaning towards voting for Trump , but if he ends up having a love fest with Republican establishment .. Then may be staying home in the fall
The Diogenes thing is wearing a bit thin at this point, as does the Hamlet thingy. You're not the only one so no one should take the observation personally. If the choice some people see is whether to vote for Trump or stay home, then they should pop some corn, crank the recliner and get comfy.
“During the primary campaign, Donald Trump savaged Republican donors as corrupt special interests. Now that he is the presumptive Republican nominee, he wants their help,” the Washington Examiner reports.
“Trump announced this week that his campaign was forming a joint venture with the Republican National Committee to raise big money from wealthy donors — as much as $449,400 in a single contribution. Trump’s formation of two joint fundraising agreements with the RNC is common practice — and smart."
Those who did not anticipate or expect this continue to see the world in black or white. Fact and reality is the mature choice is never between black or white. The mature choice in this election cycle is between the uniquely American Mussolini or a unique American period.
The US will certainly survive 4 years of Trump ...
and if that sends a clear message and forces the DNC to make a significant change that could push them to a better place that will help The country for the next generation ...
Or if a win for Hillary reinforces the DNC current practices, that could prevent the same?
Yes I know the world is not black or white.. I have nothing against gray 'per se', but that doesn't mean that the best course of action is to just fall in line and do what ever the DNC says...
Maybe some believe a Hillary loss is necessary ... Loose a battle to win the war
Sometimes the mature choice is to think a bit longer term than just one election cycle
Given the statement below one ought to try doing it sometime soon.
The US will certainly survive 4 years of Trump ...
Wrong again.
Donald Trump is a wild intemperate radical strongman who is an ignoramus. History shows us all of it comes in a package. Further, Trump's followers are fans on the fringes of contemporary society that reflect him in his temperamental political-cultural image so they are roused by this once in a lifetime windfall.
Hillary Clinton is by definition mainstream -- dull in comparison and contrast and bless her for it. She is the man of the hour in this election cycle.
Neither Sanders nor Trump constitute a choice that is either mainstream or safe. The choice is before us presently in the current election cycle so speculating about the next election cycle four years from now is innane and it is an idiosyncratic wishful fantasising from the rationalising fringe.
Neither the Trump nor the Sanders fans should expect the vast majority of Americans to get sapped into false transactions that deal with shallow criticisms which have no realistic, practical or thought through solutions or approaches. Or that are predicated on some promise or prediction of what will be the next election cycle, in 2020 never mind beyond then.
It has become more than obvious that Trump and Sanders are off in their own orbits beyond the clouds. Americans have always known the sky is the limit which is both optimistic and wise because after that there is no oxygen.
So again you are always right and everyone else with the the gall to a different opinion is wrong?
Your opinion is the only valid opinion?
You have the tenancy to post your opinion as if it was undeniable fact.
I disagree with your opinion and just because it is not the same as yours... Does not make it wrong.
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If / when Hillary gets the nomination, will have to decide whether better to vote for Trump or stay home
Leaning towards voting for Trump , but if he ends up having a love fest with Republican establishment .. Then may be staying home in the fall
I would like to see a non bought and paid for candidate get elected Just to see if they could stay true once elected
I hope that the super delegates Come to their sense but doubt that will happen
Is really quite strange , as Bernie is the epitome of what most democrats say they believe in and want, but the DNC not a fan?
Wouldn't be surprised if the reason is that this deal was made in 2008 for Clintons and they money making power to get behind Obama...
Perhaps a promise was made that Obama's VP wouldn't run and that Hillary would be the anointed one in 2016...
But seems Bernie didn't get the memo ...
Who knows , maybe will be surprised and there will be a candidate worth giving full unadulterated support to in the fall...
If / when Hillary gets the nomination, will have to decide whether better to vote for Trump or stay home
Leaning towards voting for Trump , but if he ends up having a love fest with Republican establishment .. Then may be staying home in the fall
The Diogenes thing is wearing a bit thin at this point, as does the Hamlet thingy. You're not the only one so no one should take the observation personally. If the choice some people see is whether to vote for Trump or stay home, then they should pop some corn, crank the recliner and get comfy.
“During the primary campaign, Donald Trump savaged Republican donors as corrupt special interests. Now that he is the presumptive Republican nominee, he wants their help,” the Washington Examiner reports.
“Trump announced this week that his campaign was forming a joint venture with the Republican National Committee to raise big money from wealthy donors — as much as $449,400 in a single contribution. Trump’s formation of two joint fundraising agreements with the RNC is common practice — and smart."
Those who did not anticipate or expect this continue to see the world in black or white. Fact and reality is the mature choice is never between black or white. The mature choice in this election cycle is between the uniquely American Mussolini or a unique American period.
Sometimes the mature choice is to think a bit longer term than just one election cycle
The US will certainly survive 4 years of Trump ...
and if that sends a clear message and forces the DNC to make a significant change that could push them to a better place that will help The country for the next generation ...
Or if a win for Hillary reinforces the DNC current practices, that could prevent the same?
Yes I know the world is not black or white.. I have nothing against gray 'per se', but that doesn't mean that the best course of action is to just fall in line and do what ever the DNC says...
Maybe some believe a Hillary loss is necessary ... Loose a battle to win the war
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The FBI is investigating Hillary because there is a serious crime involved. The FBI is not investigating Trump University.This is like the Hillary email server nonsense the Republicans are hanging their hats. Democrats don't need this. Trump is enough of a buffoon on his own.
This Trump University crap really happened, but I wouldn't think this would have much impact on the election. It will probably get continued and when Trump eventually loses, he'll declare victory and insult the plaintiffs, the usual.
By the time the Trump University case gets decided, Trump's name will have an asterisk beside with the final election results.
*Did not compete
Latest poll.
Georgia: Trump vs. Clinton Atlanta Journal-Constitution Trump 45, Clinton 41
Trump +4
In 1996 GA voted for Bill Clinton over Bob Dole, 47-45.
Other than that however...
2004 Bush 58 Kerry 41
2008 McCain 52 Obama 47
2012 Romney 53 Obama 45
In 1968 GA voted for George Wallace.
Donald Trump leading the state polling in GA is a yawn. Doesn't change a thing. Nor does it save Trump or the R party.
Maybe so, but Ohio is a bit more interesting,
Since 1944, Ohioans have sided with the losing candidate only once – opting for Nixon over Kennedy in 1960.
Currently Trump leading the polls in Ohio 43 % to 39 %
http://www.270towin.com/states/Ohio
Also only 1% difference in Pennsylvania, which went Democratic in last 8 elections
Also only 1 % in Florida as well..
Will Certainly be an interesting election
Your post cites Quinnepiac in each instance of Ohio, PA, FL and the problem with that is that Quinnepiac is a Republican biased pollster.
Quinnepiac is like Rasmussen in that each pollster started out reputable then fell off a cliff into bias in favor of one party, in this instance the Republican party. Scott Rasmussen had to quit under severe criticism but his company continues unchanged. Q pollster organisation is on the exact same path. The bias is in their sample, in each case. Each pollster overloads the sample with the people they like and that agree with 'em.
Q for instance consistently shows Sanders and Trump tied nationally when virtually all the reputable pollsters show Sanders clobbering Trump in the general election campaign. CNN/ORC has on the other hand a consistent tilt toward the Democratic party in each election -- and everyone knows it. Most people however are unaware of lower profile pollsters such as Q and Rasmussen.
Quinnepiac and Rasmussen -- everyone is advised to keep in mind going forward that each is a Republican party biased pollster.
The Public Policy Poll organisation found a week earlier than the Quinnepiac poll that Clinton was leading Trump in Ohio, 45-42 so Clinton was up by 3 points. Moreover, It is more than unlikely that a 7-point swing occurred in one week in Ohio (or anywhere). Given that Public Policy was, despite its well known Democratic party origins, the most accurate pollster in the 2008 Potus election cycle, and remains reputable, the shadow of suspicion falls on Quinnepiac.
Quinnepiac and Rasmussen among a few other polling organisations need to be treated with Kentucky windage every time.
Don't disagree with you on the above points
Although whether 1 point or 3 point difference... That basically means within margin of error on both
Maybe Hillary wins and maybe Trump wins.. Still too much time and too close for any to claim with any certainty
That perhaps is more my point
This is not a runaway for either candidate at this stage
Although if you look at the trends in the polling data over the last 6 months that has to be disturbing to Hillary side and should be to the DNC
Hillary's popularity and support with voters has been constantly decreasing
While Bernie and Trump both consistently increasing
I guess many are hoping once Bernie is 'put in his place' that will change , but very well may not
If she can not do something to change that .. She will not come out victorious
Although if DNC backed Bernie, he is trending up and up... The more people hear and know him the more they want to support him
But so long as people on the Democratic side refuse to accept Hillary's weaknesses and accept what voters are showing them.. Perhaps the Dems Deserve to loose this one.
Maybe that would knock some sense into the DNC
They have a great candidate in Bernie that will fight for everything in the democratic platform ... But seems they don't want that..
Shakes my belief in the Democratic Party ... Doubt whether they really believe in what they say they do ... Or just want big corporate money that the Clintons can get them
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The FBI is investigating Hillary because there is a serious crime involved. The FBI is not investigating Trump University.This is like the Hillary email server nonsense the Republicans are hanging their hats. Democrats don't need this. Trump is enough of a buffoon on his own.
This Trump University crap really happened, but I wouldn't think this would have much impact on the election. It will probably get continued and when Trump eventually loses, he'll declare victory and insult the plaintiffs, the usual.
By the time the Trump University case gets decided, Trump's name will have an asterisk beside with the final election results.
*Did not compete
Latest poll.
Georgia: Trump vs. Clinton Atlanta Journal-Constitution Trump 45, Clinton 41
Trump +4
In 1996 GA voted for Bill Clinton over Bob Dole, 47-45.
Other than that however...
2004 Bush 58 Kerry 41
2008 McCain 52 Obama 47
2012 Romney 53 Obama 45
In 1968 GA voted for George Wallace.
Donald Trump leading the state polling in GA is a yawn. Doesn't change a thing. Nor does it save Trump or the R party.
Maybe so, but Ohio is a bit more interesting,
Since 1944, Ohioans have sided with the losing candidate only once – opting for Nixon over Kennedy in 1960.
Currently Trump leading the polls in Ohio 43 % to 39 %
http://www.270towin.com/states/Ohio
Also only 1% difference in Pennsylvania, which went Democratic in last 8 elections
Also only 1 % in Florida as well..
Will Certainly be an interesting election
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If / when Hillary gets the nomination, will have to decide whether better to vote for Trump or stay home
Leaning towards voting for Trump , but if he ends up having a love fest with Republican establishment .. Then may be staying home in the fall
I would like to see a non bought and paid for candidate get elected Just to see if they could stay true once elected
I hope that the super delegates Come to their sense but doubt that will happen
Is really quite strange , as Bernie is the epitome of what most democrats say they believe in and want, but the DNC not a fan?
Wouldn't be surprised if the reason is that this deal was made in 2008 for Clintons and they money making power to get behind Obama...
Perhaps a promise was made that Obama's VP wouldn't run and that Hillary would be the anointed one in 2016...
But seems Bernie didn't get the memo ...
Who knows , maybe will be surprised and there will be a candidate worth giving full unadulterated support to in the fall...
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"Is this really a socialist policy? If so doesn't that make free public school k-12 also a socialist policy? Are those on the right against this level of public education ?no of course not.
It is just an issue of where to set the balance."
Initially people form a government for protection. Police, fire, military. They also want infrastructure such as roads and bridges. Then they want schools.
None of this is socialism because it doesn't take from the labors of one person and give it directly to another person who didn't earn it. This old canard about roads and schools being "socialism" is flown by people who really aren't very honest.
Cheers.
Ok so we agree schools isn't socialism...
So if due to the requirements of the modern economy, almost all students will be required to have a k-16 education as a k-12 education is found to be not enough for nearly all employers...
Then is it it not the governments responsibility to move with the times and provide this to its citizens ?
Similar to how it moved from Elementary education to a free k-12 system in the past, when the economy of the time dictated that a 12th grade education was needed as a min for those entering the job force?
Why was it good to change to free k-12 system when it was required by economy but now that economy/ employers require applicants to have at least k-16 education is it bad for government to provide this to its citizens?
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I agree with you that socialism at its extreme is a terrible thing. I have read Animal Farm and agree with you that it can show the evils of a socialist society.This poster cannot believe there are still those folks out there that defend socialism. George Orwell summed it up perfectly in his novel "Animal Farm"
Sanders version is just another example of how peple keep falling for it.
It doesn't enrich anyone but the ruling elite - not rocket surgery here...
On the other hand, Upton Sinclair's book, The Jungle, also shows us the evils of Laissez Faire Capitalism. Have you read this one?
These are both extremes and the absolutes of opposite economic theories.
I would venture that both are evil if implemented in the extreme.
I believe that the path for happiness and success lies some where in the middle.
I would venture both on the left and right agree on this, the disagreement is on where that balance is found.
To say that Bernie is a full blown socialist fighting for 100 % socialists beliefs is simply not true. He just believes the balance is a bit further to the left than those on the right.
I feel that under the current system, international capitalism has pushed the system farther to the right and closer to the 'Jungle'.
As workers are being taken advantage of and not as easily able to support their families based on salaries provided for jobs that are available .
Let's take another issue.. the issue of public education..
Back a couple hundred years ago in the US there was no guarantee of free education K-12... Kids may get an elementary level education and then time to go to work.
Then it was found that this didn't meet the min requirements for citizens and it was felt that for US to grow in the future , all should have at least k-12 education available free of cost
Would say that was a great benefit to the US.
What about in today's world? Is a 12th grade education enough for our citizens?
I trust that all would say no... So if that is the case, what do do about it?
Currently all high school students are told they need to go to college and get a University degree in order to have a chance at a decent job that can allow them to enter the middle class.
In the past, this was not the case. In the past , let's say 30-40 years ago, a high school graduate could expect that his 12 year education enough to give him the skills to leave the free public education system and get a decent paying factory job.
Those days are over.student now need a college degree to partake in the new economy.
If so, then the free 12 grade education is not enough. Why should not public Universities be part of the public education system?
If the reality is that nearly every student needs a University degree to partake in the modern economy.. Then why shouldn't it be part of the public education system to help ensure that students are educated accordingly ?
Is this really a socialist policy? If so doesn't that make free public school k-12 also a socialist policy? Are those on the right against this level of public education ?no of course not.
It is just an issue of where to set the balance.
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For anyone that thinks Hillary is a slam dunk in General Election...
Latest polls show Trump leading in Ohio, and Clinton only leading by 1 point in Florida and Pennsylvania ..
If trump wins Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania ... He will be president
I don't know if that happens or not, still a lot of time till Nov..
But is clear that this is still anyone's election
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/
If you go back a month ago.. Hillary was doing much better... 2 months ago... Even better...
I remember a couple months ago when showed Hillary 10-15 points ahead in General election... Now only 2 points
The trends are not encouraging for any Hillary supporters out there..
Of course margins are all much better if Sanders was the Dem nominee... But some how doubt the DNC to come to their senses
The Real Clear Politics polls show HRC leading in Blue states and Trump leading in Red states. This is always a Republican loss on election day.
The poll you cite that shows a close race in Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania is by Quinnipiac which since it started polling this campaign mid last year has displayed a Republican bent by basing its sample on more Republicans and Republican leaning voters than Democrats and D leaning voters. Quinnipiac has become a R biased pollster.
Rasmussen is a heavily Republican biased pollster who missed the 2012 election result by 5 percentage points. On election day 2012 Rasmussen told Romney he'd won. Quinnipiac is headed in the same direction so everyone needs to keep in mind these two pollsters who get mentioned here regularly by the right.
Next.....
Wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Quinnipiac polling data
It is true that has slight Republican bias , but it still has one of the higher grades in terms of accuracy
Gets. B+ accuracy rating, which is one of the higher grades
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For anyone that thinks Hillary is a slam dunk in General Election...
Latest polls show Trump leading in Ohio, and Clinton only leading by 1 point in Florida and Pennsylvania ..
If trump wins Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania ... He will be president
I don't know if that happens or not, still a lot of time till Nov..
But is clear that this is still anyone's election
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/
If you go back a month ago.. Hillary was doing much better... 2 months ago... Even better...
I remember a couple months ago when showed Hillary 10-15 points ahead in General election... Now only 2 points
The trends are not encouraging for any Hillary supporters out there..
Of course margins are all much better if Sanders was the Dem nominee... But some how doubt the DNC to come to their senses
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For all those thinking Clinton has the general election in the bag ...
Latest polls show Trump leading in Ohio, and Clinton only leading by 1 point in Florida and Pennsylvania ..
If trump wins Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania ... He will be president
I don't know if that happens or not, still a lot of time till Nov..
But is clear that this is still anyone's election
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/
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^ ^ ^ ^ ^
'Not a chance. Political parties run on money the way the MSM runs on the easily led. There'll always be "other parties" in the U.S., but they will remain small and at the margin. The most a candidate from one of these can hope for in the biggest races is spoiler status. And I'm not sure Hillary really even needs a spoiler ...
Unfortunately true...
The way things are set up... With donors able to get around campaign finance by giving to the local state party ..
Who then funnel all funds to national party.. Who then dole it back out to those selected candidates as they see fit help ensure this...
As with the power of the purse, they can control all..
Even if super PACs are made illegal, this then just strengthens this other system..
Would need other real changes in campaign finance to actually change things in US
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No fan of Hillary , but certainly there must be better ways to come out against her than trying to name call...
What's with the comments and nick names about her "thighs or legs or ankles"?
That's just ridiculous kindergarten names calling stuff ...
Hope that is not the tone or mode to try and win during the general election...
As that just hurts Trump...
Voters don't care about Hillary's ankles... They care about issues and if they can trust the candidate
Hope Trump realizes that the better way, if he wants any chance to win... Is to focus on issue and trust... Not ankles
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Also in terms of Citizens United, don't think that will be any issue in general election
As Trump has also come out against Super PACs and so far this election, has been the biggest target and victim of Super PACs...
So no traction on that issue in general election
Also, now that Trump has the nod... And all the guff from Republicans that he isn't a real conservative ...and that he wouldn't put the 'right kind of judge' on The court..
Hopefully the Senate will go forward and give up or down vote on Obama's nomination
Even some conservatives calling for this now... So hopefully non issue
Non to mention it is the right thing to do.. No constitutional justification for waiting until the election
Leader of Repubs not saying they will do so, but this may change ..
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I definitely want Bernie to have the democratic nomination , but do agree that in order to get it he needs to beat Hillary with pledged delegates
No matter how I feel and the fact that I believe he would be a stronger candidate and a better president ... If the voters choose Hillary, I don't think Sanders should win by super delegates overturning voters desires
Although don't agree with the Super delegates coming out in support before convention in a hope that it will look like Sanders doesn't have a chance to try and influence voters
That being said Bernie desperately needs to keep pushing for majority in pledged delegates to get there
Now it is 1,683 Clinton to 1,362 Sanders
So still possible to get there but won't be easy
If Bernie continues to win Primaries , he still has a chance
As will then have a real case with super delegates if he has the majority of pledged delegates ... Otherwise, no chance and really no 'moral high ground ' to try and turn super delegates
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Trump leading in Indiana..
Pretty certain he will get the delegates needed to get the nomination
Cruz has pretty much stopped campaigning FOR Cruz... His only message seems to be ... Vote for me cause I'm not Trump
That type of message will never win
People like to vote FOR something...
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lol, dont go out on a limb nowThis election year has been very unusual in many ways. The most striking feature is the anti-establishment mood of many voters. Most Americans realize that the American Golden Age is over and will never come back. The days when a working class family could afford their own house and send their kids to college are gone forever. Where voters differ is how to try to bring those days back (in my opinion that is an impossible task).
With disaffected people voting in unprecedented numbers - mostly for Trump or Sanders - traditional polls are far less reliable than usual. Also, given the increasing prevalence of electronic voting machines, the likely hood of accurate vote counts is becoming less and less likely.
So, here are my predictions:
Possibility 1: Trump wins the Republican nomination and Hilary wins the Democratic nomination. Trump supporters turn out in higher numbers than predicted but Hilary's supporters and unenthusiastic (for fairly obvious reasons) and Trump wins the general election.
Possibility 2: Same as above, but Hilary wins a narrow victory in the general election and the forces of darkness are defeated!
Possibility 3: Trump fails to win 1237 delegates in the primaries and is passed over in favor of another candidate (probably Cruz) at the convention. Trump either stages a 3rd party run or his supporters stay home on election day and Hilary wins by a comfortable margin.
Have to agree with OP..,
Those seem to be the 3 most likely scenarios and anyone who says they are certain they now which will happen is just wishful thinking
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Yes I did...
Let me turn this around a bit...A husband and wife cannot have kids cos the wife's eggs are crap...They use medical science to use a donor egg....It works, they have a babe on the way......
Is the wife the mother....yes or no...?
I trust the egg doner signed an agreement that they freely donate the egg to the couple and lay no claim on the child?
As that is the case that most reputable IVF clinics would have their diners do..
So in that case the couple that received the doner egg should have custody
It is not just that baby grow in her womb so she's the mother..
If the egg doner never waived her rights, she would have the right to sue for custody ..
Although barring some extra ordinary circumstances, would favor the recipient of the donated egg to be given custody along with the biological father..
As would seem implicit due the donation process that the egg doner did not expect to have custody of the child
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I rarely post on TV anymore but reading this thread has got my back up. I consider myself a "family man" and as such I'm delighted with the result of this court case as a child will now be raised by 2 people who are obviously totally devoted to her. Bravo
Have to agree
Also from what I have read, it wasn't that the surrogate loved and wanted the baby and couldn't bare to keep with the agreement..
It was that she only backed out after realizing was a gay couple as didn't want the baby to go to a gay couple
So on one side you have the father fighting for custody out of love and the other side fighting out of hate..
Seems to be clear case of where the best interests of the child lay to me...
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Yes I know .. Seems no longer any real path for Bernie to get the nod..
But still a very interesting perspective
Why can many of the rest of the worlds developed countries manage these things but US can not ?
http://observer.com/2016/04/heres-the-thing-so-many-americans-cant-grasp-about-bernie-sanders/
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Updated headline for thread:
Sanders' path to nomination now virtually impossible; supporters in crybaby/denial mode
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
Former secretary of state all but secures nomination
While not mathematically eliminated, Sen. Bernie Sanders remains far behind and now faces nearly impossible odds.
You are of course correct, and what is also true is that whatever mandate his followers think they have is now mostly unimportant to Clinton as she seems to have the power to win without Sanders supporters. Sanders has no bargaining power, and his supporters have no bargaining power. Clinton will just pay lip service to whatever part of his platform might serve her interests.
Hilary Clinton is firmly in control now to be not only the nominee, but the new POTUS. We non supporters will have to live with that and move on to what are the implications of her leadership.
.....Clinton will just pay lip service to whatever part of his platform might serve her interests.....
The above is the part of your comments that really resonate with me...
And agree , at the end of the day.. Hillary is only about Hillary...
That's why I don't think I can bring myself to vote for her
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Agree with you in many cases, but not so much with this post...Hell will freeze over before I vote for another "Manchurian Candidate". Don't think a lot of other Bernie supporters don't feel the same way. The US is "going to hell in a hand basket" (no I'm not in anyway religious) because people like you always vote for the very, very lessor of 2 evils and are easily persuaded by "he can't win". I'm done with that. Let the chips fall where they may and we and the world will, unfortunately, reap the whirlwind. I may not live to see the result, but can only hope that good prevails over evil and Clinton is evil as are all Republicans. Our grandkids and great grandkids will be putting this mess back together for a long, long time. We didn't do a very good job.
I think Evil is a bit too strong... As think disingenuous or more concerned with their own personal gain rather than public good is closer to the truth...
When I think of evil... I see Pol Pot, Hitler, Maximilien Robespierre, Josef Mengele, Talat Pasha, Elizabeth Bathory and such...
These were all folk that killed countless people and seemed to relish the killing and mass murder
None of the candidates come close to the evil of the above listed people ...
Even the comments many make about Trump are ridiculous when comparing him to Hitler... That's like comparing the speed bump in front of my house to Mt Everest... Not even in the same ball park
Also have known some Republicans that were genuinely good people ... Heck , even my brother is a republican ... And don't consider him evil
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That's total B.S.I don't care if he's a vegan anarchist ... he lost and it's time for him to be a good sport and not help Trump or Cruz to be president.
I don't think it is possible that Trump or Cruz could win the general election, but if one of them does it won't be because of anything Bernie did or didn't do. It will because the Democrats foisted a horribly flawed and highly unfavorable candidate on the electorate despite the urging of their core supporters and glaring evidence that she was vulnerable to loss.
Smell the coffee.
The democrat nominee will be Hillary Clinton.
It's happening.
Can Bernie get Trump or Cruz elected?
Sure he can.
If he fails to support Hillary and encourages his supporters to stay home.
Of course some Sanders people will see the appeal of Trump. They're crazy that way.
So Bernie should abandon his principles & ethics and throw his support behind the one candidate left in the race who is wholly owned by the Oligarchical establishment? I would rather he ended his race in a way that dignifies the message he has been giving. Simply say that he can't, in good conscience, support Clinton and walk away from it.
I am certain he will not do that... No matter how much I and many others would enjoy it.
I believe Bernie will tell his supporters that Hillary is better than the Republican candidate and that he hopes that she keep the promises and positions she said she had in the primaries
I just don't think I can bring myself to believe she will do so... But if some of the posters on here are right and she is elected.. Then hope she proves me wrong
Although still would like to see what happens if a non bought and paid for candidate was elected as POTUS...
At the least, it would force party leaders on both sides of the isle to take a long hard look at themselves and hopefully make real changes
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Actually you have that backwards ... First choice is Bernie
Although if no Bernie in General election, they will likely go for Trump
I understand that Hillary will likely have more pledged delegates and win the nomination
Although some posters feel that Trump needs to be stopped at all costs..
My opinion is that best way to stop Trump is to elect Bernie
But while many say that the most important thing for them is to stop Trump.. There support for Hillary proves that wrong
As picking her as Democratic nominee gives Trump a chance to become president