wjmark

To me, that term is only used for the Japanese (or Korean) Gyoza, also called Chinese Pot Stickers.

Hagao, Shuimai, Mam and a few others certainly 'are' Chinese dumplings but I've never heard them called as such, rather, usually called by their own names.

I'd like to ask the OP to look at the links to each of these, and tell us which it is that he's looking for. That would make it easier for people to direct him.

Funny that they are called "Chinese" Pot Stickers in those countries, don't you think?. Actually pot stickers are Chinese, and they are common in Southern China!

There is a standard boiled Chinese dumpling that is called jiaodze (sorry for my own personal approach to phonetics). They are usually boiled (and sometimes steamed), and usually are made of pork, green onion, and maybe Chinese cabbage.

And there is the fried version, that is the actual Chinese "Chinese Pot Stickers", and they are called gwa-thip. Pan fried on one side, and then water poured on, and boiled off - leaves the dumplings crunchy on the bottom, and juicy on top and inside.

These fried ones usually have Chinese cabbage, and also dried shimp, and maybe bamboo-shoot plus other ingredients..

They are similar to the Japanese Gyoza, but different flavour inside. Japanese usually use a garlic-chive inside - Chinese usually use green onion...

At true Chinese DimSum (YumCha), you can often find the pan-fried gwa-thip, but never the boiled jiaodze. Those steamed dumplings are often found at Chinese BBQ and noodle places.

My favourite Chinese pot-sticker dumpling was made by Northern Chinese people. In their pot-stickers they used lettuce instead of cabbage, and no dried shrimp or bamboo shoot. Very light, juicy, almost sweet, delicious taste. They were my favourite.

There was a small Thai dim sum place on Suthep road that made similar pot-stickers (with the lettuce), and they also had bits of shrimp mixed in. Fantastic. But they closed 2 years ago...

I forget the name of the fancy Chinese restaurant on Niemenheman soi 5 - but they do solidly good DimSum - Chinese style. But no pot-stickers.

I love pizza, but try to stay away from wheat

I use sticky rice (kao neow) to form a pizza base...

Yes - I forgot to mention - plain, no sugar!

thanks again, Mark

Thank you both - good and useful info!

Where to find yogurt with NO BIFIDUS? Don't want no Bifidobacterium!

Yogurt can be made with many different bacteria. Acidophilus is one of them, and is in most yogurts.

Bifidus is only used in some yogurts. Does anyone know what bacteria is used in the various yogurts in CM?

I need one without Bifidus.

And are there any yogurt starters available in CM? Anybody know what brands? And what active bacteria are in them?

Thanks, and thanks...

Mark

... there is a ballet school on the east side of Charoenrat Road [thats the street running north and south along the east bank of the river] about half way between the Rama IX Bridge and the Super Hwy.

If you go north from the Rama IX Bridge intersection, in about 300 -400 metres you will see the Chinese Christian Church on your right. Immediately past this you will see an entrance to a , what looks like an old Roman style design mooban, turn in there

Hi,

I actually teach Pilates for that ballet scool here in Chiangmai. Have been doing so for 5 years.

It is the called The Chiangmai Ballet Acadamy, by the way. Mom Luang Preeyapun is the director, and yes they certainly are still there! They are actually quite well known. Her dancers often do very well at international dance competitions. Very professional school.

If anyone is interested in Pilates, they may PM me, or reach me through the Ballet.

I have been a Pilates teacher for 12 years. I also have all the equipment here...

Cheers, Mark

ps - I'll be back in CM Oct 20

There are two massage places in the basement of KadSuanKaew. I have had good experiences at both. 140-150bt/hour.

One is called 'Golden Hands" (I think), and it is right beside the basement food-court.

The other has the lovely name of "The Doi Saket Chiangmai Seniors Citizen Club". It is at the back on the right of KSK - just up a few stairs into the Kad Muang Traditional Bazzar and to the right.

I was there today and had a particularly good traditional Thai massage with a woman named K. Gik. I was very pleased. Firm but no surprises. Very nice slow deep movements. And good awareness. She even took me through some of the twisty stuff (that I usually don't like), and I felt very safe in her hands. Speaks a little English.

In this topic that got closed because there are too many pervs out there

I made a suggestion for an ongoing Massage recommendation thread.

http://www.thaivisa....39#entry5344039

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Here it is:

To start off, from the other thread I quote the OP:

I've had hundreds of massages from hundreds of girls. One girl stands out as clearly the best.

Her name is Joy and she works at Full Moon on Loi Khor Rd. Joy offers a LEGIT massage, no Happy Endings beyond complete and utter relaxation. Her English is decent and she pays absolute attention to personal requests. I prefer a hard massage and while small in stature, she has some of the strongest hands you'll find.

Joy is there most every day until 10pm-11pm or so. You'll find Full Moon on Loi Khor Rd. on the left hand side when going down (it's a one-way street) towards the night market. All girls are wearing a uniform and Full Moon is one store front from the corner of the last main road before the night bazaar.

If Joy is not available, i highly recommend waiting as I cannot vouch for any of the other girls or what types of massage they're offering.

I have a few recommendations myself (and more, once I track down the names and addresses of the others).

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I haven't been for a while, but Ajarn Sinchai is considered a Grand Master. He is blind, and has worked with royalty. He is not too expensive (I am guessing at the 300-400b range these days), and is very good with specific injuries. He was the massage therapist at a major hospital for years. He has a new location and a new website.... http://www.sinchaimassage.com/

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Again, I hope this info is not outdated, but Khun BoonSong at Wat Sum Pow (just inside from Tapae Gate) is very good. I saw him regularly for a couple of years. Firm, probing, but not invasive, or extreme in his 'chiropractics', I can really recommend him. It used to be 120 baht, but that was a few years ago. (No AC).

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I have three or four more, but I will have to check where they are, etc..

Bring them on!

AND A SUGGESTION PLEASE!!! Be detailed!!! Why they are good, perhaps a comment on their style, price, location, air-con or not. etc etc. Let's get a useful data base going here.

Cheers, Mark

I appreciate the OP posting his recommendation.

And yes, what a lot of shit he has got for it. (Although the ridiculously silly title, "The Best Massage in Chiang Mai" is pretty flaky!)

There are plenty of good massage people around - some in the 400bt hi-so spa places, and some just on the street for 100bt.

In my opinion, I have not found that more money gives a better massage - often worse! That old axiom, "you get what you pay for", is not a law - just a saying. Sometimes true, and often meaningless. And in this case, really meaningless...

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I suggest:

We start up a topic that allows us to recommend good massage people. The OP's posting is a lovely idea - let's see if we can expand it to include many more of the 'gems'.

I will compile a list of 5-6 of my favourite local massage gems, and will be glad to post it.Two are in KSK, two are on Huey Keow, one is on the Loh Krow side-walk in the evenings, and one is working in Wat Sum Pow (near Thapae). All good, all experienced, all careful, and all less than 200bt (120-160). And all recommended by me - someone who has had 1000's of hours of Thai massage, and has studied many hours of Thai massage as well...

These gems are everywhere, and I appreciate the OP suggesting another one to us... With a few suggestions, we could probably have a list of 100-200 decent people in the area. Good idea!!!

They are not all badly-trained lazy bar-girls - although there are plenty of crap massages around as well!...

And of course there is always Pilates. Physical therapists have been incorporating PIlates for almost two decades now.

There is a western-run studio here - do a search for Pilates Chiangmai...

I know a guy that rents a 2 bedroom house in Sisaket for 3k.

I know guys spending 1.5K for a short-time adventure.

I know a guy who tips 1.5K after paying for a short-time adventure.

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wjmark,

I don't usually reply to unreasonable people but being very "Thai" today, I reply you. I did not thank the previous posts because I don't find them useful to me and a definite or accurate answer is not there and the 2 pages are mostly members reply amongst themselves. I asked again because the questions are different from my OP. Hope you learn something and improve yourself.

Well, thank you for taking the time for being very "Thai" today..Yes, I am unreasonable. I apologize - I have learned something. I hope it improves me.

And thank you for asking such a different question. There are a few thousand streets in CM. I am sure we could figure out how much to the airport from each one. You know - how much to the airport from from Wawarot? How much from Chiangmai Gate? How much from the Mcdonalds? Or the other Mcdonalds? Or the restaurant that sells brown soup with noodles. Or the other one that sells brown soup with noodles...

And it's great that you don't thank people who don't exactly and precisely answer your (so very) different questions. I can understand not feeling grateful to people who only TRY to help you. Only thank the ones that succeed.

sigh

Anyone know what's the fair price that I should pay the tuk-tuk or songtheaw if I cannot find a taxi from the Wawarot area to the airport ?

For you? 300 THB.

This is beyond silly.

I am sorry - but this is very disrespectful, and not funny. 300 baht! I cannot thank you for this answer.

Really, should it be 47 baht? Or 53 baht? I heard a rumour that someone actually made it to the airport for 41 baht. If I pay 65 baht, should I post a separate topic about it?

sigh again

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I went there last night for the curry however could not finish meal as there was dog sitting under the food of table sticking its nose

to see what was available. I could not finish and enjoy the meal and left thinking about the dog near the food. Serious health concerns in this place

and wonder what its like in the kitchen ! The owner thinks it must be fine to have the dog walking around food ? I WONT BE BACK

I gotta get in on this one!

Really? Animals in a restaurant - the horror.

But seriously, There are only three basic things that cause health issues for restaurants:

1) Hot food not stored hot enough (buffets may be suspect, but it does take quite a long time for cooked food to become hazardous).

2) Cold food not stored cold enough (street carts at the end of the day when their ice has melted...).

3) Food prep staff not washing their hands.

That accounts for 99.9% of food hazards.

Pets licking your leg, or looking at your food is actually not a major issue for health. Too bad it is for you.

2 pages of how much from the airport to town?

Just walk, I'm sure that your backpack can't be that heavy.

Unbelievable!

At least everyone contributed something useful; unlike you.

And, amazingly, unlike YOU!.

After two pages of answers to your original question, you ask it again! And without any thanks to all the people who already answered your (odd) question.

More than just a 'healthcare' taker...

As highonthai rightly said, "Unbelievable!"

But if you want food- here's a Google map for CM foodies:

http://maps.google.c....078578,0.14308

I am not sure what to make of this map - more than half the listings and text come from MY map! I guess that I shall take it as a compliment...

http://maps.google.c...&mid=1337253623

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There are lots of hardware shops around.

I build lots of stuff - what hardware are you looking for?

Problem is, they had the only breakfast buffet that I know of that had unlimited bacon...

Sigh

PS 'Gormless' is one weird word!

It is clear you don't watch enough "Coronation Street".

I was there last night too. There was a really noisy table of 6 westerners, but other than that it was a very enjoyable experience!

Just kidding!!! (Not kidding about the enjoyable experience. Kidding about the noisy westerners!).

Yes - very nice spread. There were a lot of dips. The eggplant dip could have done with a bit more seasoning (and maybe a shot of lime), but was ok. There were about 5 or 6 dairy based dips - one like a tsitsiki (garlicky), and one a shocking pink (really shocking!). There was a red tomato-based dip that was almost salsa like, and a few other dips that had vegies and things mixed in.

The buffet didn't need so many dips ((especially as a few were quite similar), but there was enough other food as well - so no problem!.

Nice fresh salads - lettuce, carrot, and cabbage. I would like to see some raw onions as well...

Three hot dishes - one was minced meat baked with spices and tomato slices on top. Sort of 'mousakka-like', without the "mou" (no layers, no potatoes...). Rich - I had three servings.

The chicken dish was leg and thigh pieces in a light clear soup-like sauce. Chicken was a little overdone (over-boiled), but satisfactory.

The third hot dish was like a North-African Tajine - a delicious light stew with vegies and small cubes of lamb.

The home-made bread was great - I think their pizzas might be the shit. Gonna try them next time.

I know that Turks don't use much rice, but it still would have been nice to have a simple rice dish too (I don't eat a lot of bread, as much as I like it).

Fantastic rice pudding - in a light custard.

Friendly service. Good English. Free water. Nice location. Fair price. Overall very good food. Oh yes - good pickles too!!!

200bt.

Any comments on the curry night? I think that is tonight isn't it? (Tuesday).

How much?

How good?!!!

Hi,

In peoples' travels, has anyone seen a really good BASIC bed frame? One that could be mounted on a wall with hinges?

My priority is strength. If you have seen something STURDY please let me know!

If it is strong, but locks together, I can modify that.

If it is steel then I can get the frame welded and strengthened.

If it is wood, I can glue and strengthen that too.

If it is a cheap piece of crap, then I cant really do anything with that. There are lots of bed frames that are made with very flimsy materials that are fine on the floor - but mine must swing around in mid air!!! (Well, hinge off the wall at least!).

So if you have seen something that is basic, but better than a general cheap-tubing frame, please let me know! Or if there are any pre-made fold-out units, that would be great too...

Thanks, Mark

This should include the 'foodies' who ask questions like, where can I find the best (insert your food of choise).

Can't really agree with you there.

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Asking where the best burger is can only be answered with the opinion of the person answering it. It doesn't mean it IS the best burger.

Big C, for example, would either sell or not sell the Egyptian cotton sheets.

It really bugs me when someone gives a food/restaurant review, and says only,

"It was the best burger (pizza, khaosoy, whatever...). You have to try it."

TELL US ABOUT THE FOOD!

I suppose it is nice to know if:

"The owners were such nice folk."

"We'll go back again."

"It was as good as mama used to make"

"People who know me know that I know my food"

"You won't find better in Italy (Bombay, upstate NY, whatever...)"

blah blah blah

TELL US ABOUT THE FOOD!

'Food quality' is more than mere opinion or 'personal taste'.

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btw - I have noticed that the search engine works pretty well for things like burgers, and pizza

It is a bit odd that it happens with a bunch of geeks attending a polytech school. Don't they usually just build fighting robots and settle things that way? But Thailand has no franchise on violence amongst teens to be sure.

No franchise on violence among geeks either!

"the struggle on the campus in April 1968 had escalated “from cold to hot weapons”, from stone slingshots and wooden spears to revolvers and hand grenades. One group welded steel plates onto the body of a tractor to convert it into a tank." (William Hinton, author of Fanshen)

Where?

Beijing’s Qinghua (Tsinghua) University

Who?

Mostly physics students

Yep, and it comes down with the same velocity as it went up with.

Uh, no it doesn't.

If it hit you you might go "Oouch <deleted>!'

http://en.wikipedia....bratory_gunfire:

32% death rate for people hit by falling bullets.

They fall at 90m/s (30cal) to 150m/s (50cal) (terminal velocity for their weight and drag).

Bullets shoot at between 180 and 1500 meters/second - (http://hypertextbook...iaPereyra.shtml)

I didn't know about Sombat to Southern Bus terminal (Ekamai?), but if you can't find that, I am pretty sure there are cheap minivan shuttles between MoChit and Southern stations...

Yes. Tourist bus = danger. Cheap, but dangerous. Drunk drivers (I witnessed that myself), weak worn-out buses, staff that go through luggage, etc. etc.

Cheap trains might save you $20 overall, but it will take at least a day longer than two buses....

Everything is part of Doi Suthep NP, and everything except Montrathan Falls is free.

I often ride up Montrathan falls rd early in the morning. There is no fee before about 8:00am. (Well, there may be a fee, but there is nobody at the gate - which is left open).

For those who haven't seen Google Streetview yet, here is the turnoff for Montrathan Falls (viewed coming down from Doi Suthep).

Note the expandable map in the bottom right corner...

http://maps.google.c...,342.54,,0,10.2